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On September 15 2013 02:38 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2013 01:15 Koshi wrote: Pandain and Zealos are scummers. That's certain. Show nested quote +On September 15 2013 01:23 Koshi wrote: OP and Pandain are just both scum. BH & Pandain are just jerking each other off in teh scum QT for old time sake.
It's obvious. Stop speaking in absolutes. It makes you look very scummy.
On September 15 2013 02:39 Zealos wrote: Woops, meant to put that in the QT :/
On September 15 2013 02:39 Oatsmaster wrote: hahahahhahha
those three posts happened consecutively.
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Fine, here's a specific THOUGHT PROCESS that would occur Zealos slips. Oats, noticing it, laughs to imply it was a joke, and as such trying to make it seem like it was intentional by zealos.
That's what I've tried to communciate :|
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fuck it. sorry bh. ##vote bh
zealos is my preferred d3 lynch.
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also, the post that zealos quoted and zealos actual post are an hour and some minutes apart. idk, the entire thing breaks the flow and is so unnatural....
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:| I want to switch, but rationality says I shouldn't
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On September 17 2013 06:39 Old Partner wrote: Look okay being serious here for a moment.
When you look back on games, there are plays that get nominated for the yearly Mafia Awards. Plays like claims, or votes, or cases, or best teams, or whatever. There are even categories for boring stuff like "Best Policy Lynch"-- all these is fine and good.
I tell you three times, I tell you now that if you lynch me today, there is no way you will make it into the TL Mafia Awards for this year for the play you make today. You know what's a big play? Not lynching me. Not lynching the guy you are 95% sure is the Survivor. What would be a HYOOOOJ play would be lynching zealos and hitting scum.
Players will look back and say "here is a group of players, a town who could have been suckered into not lynching scum 2 days in a row, but got its shit together" and will start to think of you as vets. This will be one of those "plays" that people will point to and write post game analysis about whether or not it's a good idea to lynch based on setup speculation.
This would be a Big Play. It might not be the safest play, or the most policy play, to lynch Zealos. But damn it, we all know that Zealos is the most likely guy to flip scum. If it weren't for policy, you wouldn't be lynching me, you'd be lynching Zealos.
I can't necessarily say that I'd not policy lynch me if I was you. But I will say this:
You don't get a lot of chances to be legendary. Glory is never thrust upon you, it is only seized.
Vote Zealos: be glorious.
I'm in. FOR THE GLORY THAT IS BLAZINGHAND ##UNVOTE ##VOTE ZEALOS
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yo sn0 man, blazinghands dropping knowledge bombs here throwing spears of pure, concentrated logic. definitely. join us
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haha if that happens we're totally boned but I'm pretty sure Zealos is scum. I'd be down for zealos>koshi>oats. It's idiotic to keep blazinghand alive but ##SWAG
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well, koshi is randomly not here, don't know why, it's easier for him to not be here, same with oats, who was also around. easier for them, that is. they don't want to be here when we form a counter-wagon of justice on Zealos. :|
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On September 17 2013 06:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 06:51 Umasi wrote: well, koshi is randomly not here, don't know why, it's easier for him to not be here, same with oats, who was also around. easier for them, that is. they don't want to be here when we form a counter-wagon of justice on Zealos. :| stfu dumbass. y so hostile
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NUUUUUUUUUUUUUU BLAZINGHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND
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we don't necessarily have a cop, I was godfather in a game with no cop in my third newbie
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KOSHI/ZEALOS/OATS/BH SCUMTEAM DESPITE....THAT BEING FOUR PEOPLE
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(I'm not actually claiming that anymore. Going to rethink it. Still considering it though!)
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hm~night ends in about an hour or so, presumably the actions are locked I'm masoner, and for the d2 n2 cycle I masoned Pandain. I'm masoning (you'll find out who) d3 n3 cycle.
You are Ivan, a Jupiter adept, who meets Isaac in the city of Vault. Impressed by Isaac's help in relocating the Shaman Rod you decided to join him in his quest. As a Jupiter adept you have the gift of reading minds and communicating with them silently. Every night you can choose a player with whom you wish to enter into a private conversation by PM'ing the hosts: ##Mind Read: Playername. You will be able to communicate with the target player in a QT provided by the hosts for a full day/night-cycle. You win with the Protectors of Weyard, when all threats to Weyard have been eliminated. I'm afk for a while now.
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I'm actually not afk whoops, I won't be around too much though, writing a lab report. I masoned him because I thought he was town and a strong player, now, I'm not so sure (on the town part). Pandain will confirm this, and if he doesn't, he's scum. I told you guys this during the locked period because if I die, it does implicate Pandain a bit, and you should know that it occured.
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I am going to post the important things we covered in the log, not going post for post, it's kinda in chronological order
Pandain: I haven't played mafia in over a year, so I don't remember normal kp.
It's nice to see I was right about you being town, by the way.
You're right then, there might only be 1kp. Do games usually last like 5-6 days then? Pretty long in my eyes.
Basically I think one of the most important things for a mason to do is confirm themselves, because you are a free confirmed townie now. The only problem is that mafia might shoot you because you are "so" confirmed now.
This is why I think Kush is scum: He made a huge scum slip early on. He said that scum were given fake claims, but there was no way he would know that. He later said he immediately asked the host if scum were given fake claims after he got his role. No one would ask that after getting their role, it's a pretty obvious lie to me. So he revealed inside scum knowledge which he shouldn't have had.
Furthermore, he is trying to, in my eyes, have a "don't give a fuck" demeanor. Notice how much he is like "yo lynch me " and "you'll never lynch me!", he's trying to make himself seem just like a troll. In reality, however, when he was being threatened to be lynched he shaped up, and also there's no reason to "make" yourself seem like a troll as obviously as he is. There's a difference between being a troll and seeming like one.
Umasi: yeah. kush is, to my knowledge, pretty trollish, but he shaped up near the end of Persona 4 (the game I was referring to KP wise) either way he's not actually pro-town haha
Pandain: The scum slip is the main thing in my eyes. I don't see a real justification for it.
Pandain: Also don't contribute to the spam. What we want right now is to see if anyone helps actively contribute and tries to scum hunt something inovative. That's why I think Grack and Koshi are town. For example, right now it's easy for scum to sit back and just let BH be lynched while giving generic opinions. We want to see if people are creative, as they're probably town
Pandain: See how active Koshi is, that's why I think he's town. He's been like that the entire time. Also super forward with suspicions. Rayn is different for me because I believe he's trying to act that way to disrupt town. Koshi seems genuine.
Pandain: Realy waiting to see how Snoman responds. Also if Papa does more analysis of people. Might go afk for hours just to wait
Pandain: That last post by Zealos what. Like is the scum team just bad?
Here, we have a lot of discussion about jailkeeping, I clarify what it is, etc. Basically summarized 'huh SAB isn't confirmed town then because of roleblock huh' (pandain didn't know about jailkeeping)
Pandain: Yeah wait to claim until after N2 actions are sent in. Scum won't shoot you now, so it'll benefit me in that I helped semi-confirm you and it'll benefit you because it'll help confirm you.
Although you're not confirmed yet as you said about the scum mason thing.
Papa is probably town, I think Vayne is, waiting to see more of Oats, Zealos, and Sno_man, especially the latter.
(somewhere I mentioned that mafia can have mason-ers so I'm not actually confirmed)
Pandain: I have no idea LOL (refering to gracks post)
Pandain: I think Oats is town, and I'm re-affirmed in my belief that SnB is town. That's what I got.
Pandain: I'm honestly a bit disheartened because I can't find the remaining two scum out of Sno man, zealos, and kush. I would say that Sno seems most town, kush seems town now but I can't get over his scum slip.
I also will have to defend myself now because I defended OP.
Pandain: I would suspect you except you voted OP originally, which IMO clears you.
But zealous voted kush with me; so maybe it's vayne but I took a look through his filter and he's playing the same as town not actually contributing but posting
Pandain: Zealous seems best bet for tommorow. And you should mason Vayne and try to do your own investigation
Pandain: my problem is if i don't have anything to contribute I don't contribute.
And right now I'm honestly confused.
Pandain: I also feel bad because scum are probably laughing at me for saving OP day one
Pandain: You just gave me confidence to try one last time. I'll do one final burst of effort.
If I can prove I'm town, and prove that the only 4 who's alignments are uncertain are Vayne, Zealos, Sno_Man, and Kush, we can narrow it from there.
First one we lynch should be one of Vayne, Sno, and zealos, as I'm not too confident in Kush anymore after reading his town filters. I'm going to do an analysis on all of them and hopefully it will be good
Pandain: Also if you want to bounce off ideas, choose PS as he's probably the second best here, maybe even better than me admittedly. He has some flawed analysis but he analyzes nonetheless and is confirmed town in my eyes.
He just over exaggerates some things in his arguments, but that's it.
Wouldn't choose koshi or grack as while their town they aren't the best analyzers
Pandain: Lovvveee you
ends here. I omitted a lot, we talk a bit about sc/keyboard issues/other useless things that were one-liners
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