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On August 30 2013 03:00 debears wrote:
Ugh i did terrible job explaining motivations there. continued....
Scum like to act like they are contributing. An easy way to do that is to point out small things and follow them up.
Onegu is not involved in the main happenings in the thread. He isn't sharing insights on his reads and the whys.
His posting is scum motivated because he has posts that look like they have content, yet do not. They provide no benefit to a town agenda
Sadly he does that as town aswell.. Always. I have not seen him play scum.
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debears you are right about what you said.
Also i have a question to you:
Have you actually read the whole thread? I mean, sciberbia's attitude towards me and Onegu's town-meta have been topics of discussion before and they have been explained. Why have you missed them if you have read the thread before you started posting?
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EBWOP:
I meant you are right in this:
Still, that leaves other questions:
- why has his scumhunting been lacking?
- why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1?
- why is he speculating on the third party?
Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you.
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What do you think of Oats?
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On August 30 2013 03:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
The thread shitting between oats and marv was awfully reciprocal tho, not terribly 1-sided from what I could see.
that's not the impression i got from that at all. Oats did not answer marv's (legit) questions and marv tried to stop him from yelling at him.
What is your side of the story in that? Also debears, same question?
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On August 30 2013 03:52 Sn0_Man wrote:A quick perusal of Marv's filter yields the following: (with 1 post and 15 mins in between) + Show Spoiler [Marv tries to take the high ground] +On August 29 2013 19:14 marvellosity wrote:Hapa, for you I'm not going to respond to Oats' shitpost right there. Hapa, you don't buy debears being drunk? Or you do buy it but you don't think it excuses what he wrote? Strong enough for a vote even? Also Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 19:09 Hapahauli wrote:On August 29 2013 13:26 debears wrote:
Also, a 95% town read is full retard early d1 is full retard as town. As scum, its dumb but it has motivations (avoid early conflict, make friend of someone who apparently is consider3d bad town).
Vote scribs guise So according to this, debears doesn't care whether Scib is dumb town or scum. He mentions both, then uses it as a justification to vote. That's pretty darrrrrn scummy. I read this as "it's retarded as both alignments, but has motivations for one alignment, ergo he's that alignment" no? On August 29 2013 19:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 19:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Generally scum are more careful with their posting because they dont want to stand out too much.
Like they would think more about the appearance of their posting.
Hapa wanna lynch marv? And yet you're voting Tutankhamen for making a spectacle of himself with the policy stuff? HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE OATS? I didn't feel like either of them had solid arguments on much, but they were going at it with gusto. I hope you don't need me to go find similar disasters from Oats's filter? we both know they are there.
How is marv shitposting in here? I think the secound quote you pointed out is a reasonable argument, no?
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No, the argument is totally fine. Oats says:
"Generally scum are more careful with their posting because they dont want to stand out too much. Like they would think more about the appearance of their posting."
Before that he has done this:
"Vote Tutankoopa because for making a spectacle of himself with the policy stuff".
And yes Sno, that's exactly what Oats was doing. If you follow the agrumnet further that's JUST what Oats said.
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EBWOP:
On August 29 2013 19:31 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 19:29 marvellosity wrote:On August 29 2013 19:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Generally scum are more careful with their posting because they dont want to stand out too much.
Like they would think more about the appearance of their posting.
Hapa wanna lynch marv? And yet you're voting Tutankhamen for making a spectacle of himself with the policy stuff? HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE OATS? Only me and Hopeless thought it was bad initially...... Like why as town, vote for a dude and the question the lynch for that dude in the same post. Makes no sense to me.
This is the exact set of quotes and it's exactly what marv points out imo.
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On August 30 2013 04:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm really not here to argue with you about what oats and marv said and who was a bigger shitposter.
If you feel like marv was posting well and oats was being retarded and/or ruining the thread for no reason even though marv was trying to stop him then feel free to make a nice case to that effect.
As far as I'm concerned they were both vomiting garbage in a manner that really is not unique to them.
Actually i am interested in why you and debears are saying marv is vomiting garbage because i can't see it? Oats doing it is not necessarily alignment indicative, but why do you think marv is doing it? If there is something i have missed please tell me.
If there is not, why are you saying so? Nothing in you brought up suggests you are right and i am wrong.
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I am actaully interested in hearing who you think is scum Hapa. Right now i have no idea.
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I dunno Hapa, he has been ignoring the point all game long and it has been pointed out multiple times. Why would he do that as mafia? I mean ignore something that obvious a townie said?
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On August 30 2013 05:55 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno Hapa, he has been ignoring the point all game long and it has been pointed out multiple times. Why would he do that as mafia? I mean ignore something that obvious a townie said? Who are you talking about?
Hopeless.
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On August 30 2013 06:01 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2013 05:55 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno Hapa, he has been ignoring the point all game long and it has been pointed out multiple times. Why would he do that as mafia? I mean ignore something that obvious a townie said? Who are you talking about? Hopeless. Uh... then I really don't understand what you're trying to say here. If you're referring to him "ignoring" TK's defense, I think that's plenty scummy.
What i am saying is do you think ultima!tunnel!Hopeless is mafia and is ignoring an obvious mistake in his case while it has been pointed out for many people and is so obvious it is ridiculous to call someone out from it in the first place? Why would Hopeless as mafia do that and stick to his argument even when multiple people have pointed out the argument is full of nothing?
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marv i can understand the thought process as i said. I do not understand why people write posts before being fully caught up on thread? that makes zero sense to me because they base their posts on misinformation (or rather lack of all information). I asked Tutankoopa about it and he did not answer me. That's what's suspicious to me regarding the post you and i were talking about.
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On August 30 2013 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
you've never heard of mafia clinging on to a terrible case rayn? heh
Actually no i have not, at least 6 hours into D1 when there is no reason to.
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On August 30 2013 06:19 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv i can understand the thought process as i said. I do not understand why people write posts before being fully caught up on thread? that makes zero sense to me because they base their posts on misinformation (or rather lack of all information). I asked Tutankoopa about it and he did not answer me. That's what's suspicious to me regarding the post you and i were talking about. 2 scenarios. Example 1: A player has X read on Z player. He has not read the thread. He reads the thread changes his mind and then makes a post about how he used to have X read, but now he doesn't. Example 2: What I did. How are those functionally any different? You're getting the same information from me in either case.
I (or anyone in my opinion) do not need to know what your read on X was 5 minutes or 3 hours ago if you have not posted in that timeframe. What matters is what you think of that said player X now and why. If i do not understand your thought process i ask you about it. I think Hopeless is right in saying your reads post was a big pile of nothing and i do not understand why you felt the need to tell what your read on Oats was before you caught up. So what if you thought he was scum then, who cares? It matter what you think of him now.
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On August 30 2013 06:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Hell can anyone comment on my Syl case above? I'm starting to agree with myself more and more :3
Actually. That is a a very good point that you bring up, given that Sn0_man did not even post between those posts you quoted.
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On August 30 2013 07:01 marvellosity wrote:
I don't get how/why he keeps tying hopeless/sn0 together, not necessarily alignment-wise, but in the way he looks at them. Am I missing something with that?
No, i brought that up eariler. that's fishy.
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Tutankoopa wanna lynch Sylencia?
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Onegu plays way WAY, LIKE WAYYY better as scum than he does as town.
Am i the only one in this game that thinks Hopeless is town?
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