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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 14:57 GMT
#365
Sylecia said "what hopeless said made me look into Sno". Of course you are supposed to read what hopeless said, how else you can find out if Sylencia is being reasonable or not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 15:15 GMT
#367
Sn0_man:

On August 29 2013 22:00 Sylencia wrote:
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On August 29 2013 21:44 Sylencia wrote:
On August 29 2013 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 29 2013 21:28 Sylencia wrote:
On August 29 2013 21:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At this point i really don't see anyone being mafia other than FT, Sylencia and Tutankoopa.
Who's your top scumread(s) marv?


How do you end up having a scum read on me literally every game on D1?

Pretty much because if i am mafia you are pretty easy to attack, or if i am town you in my opinion comment on stuff i find irrelevant at that time.

This game basically PoE atm.


What's PoE, and what a brave self-incriminating sentence if you were scum. Too bad I don't see anything really different to your P4 play

That said, Sn0 is on the list for the same reason as FT. They both read, then both post crap a few hours later with the implication that they've read everything and then leave.

In Sn0's case he says he finds himself satisfied with his vote, meaning he found something scummy with scrib, but then unvotes saying it was utter bs and leaves.


2nd half - the process from hopeless was there was a mention about Sn0, hopeless said it showed he was actively reading, so I took a look and it looked pretty dumb

Does the bolded part make sense to you now that you have read hopeless' filter. where does he say so?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 15:19 GMT
#370
EBWOP: Sno, also read what Sylecia says to me after that post i quoted. I am trying to make you think by yourself here, not trying to get you flame anyone without a reason.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 15:23 GMT
#373
marvellosity do you see what i see?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 15:25 GMT
#374
On August 30 2013 00:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
Rayn we played this last game. I'm not gonna sit here and answer your questions all game. You obviously have a conclusion that you drew. If you want to share it with the thread in order please feel free.

Yes i have a conclusion. I am a bit puzzled however why are you unwilling to look at what Sylencia says about you? If someone called me out for reasons that make no sense to me i would definitely be willing to point that out in thread.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 15:39 GMT
#378
Fine Sno, no need to go further with this. I'll wait marv to answer and get to my conclusion then.

Who do you think is most likely mafia atm?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 15:51 GMT
#381
On August 30 2013 00:37 Tutankoopa wrote:
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On August 29 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa i would like you to explain a couple of things:
On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:
On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats.


1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play?
2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1?

Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?

How does the bolded part make sense? If Hopeless did not understand the "policy", why is it wrong for him to call my play stupid? What did he need to explain? To me his thought process makes sense.


1. He's been acting weird about the policy lynch on rayn, attacking me as if he seriously thought that I was dead set on lynching yamato in my first post of the game.
2. Calls rayn's play stupid afterwards.

Calling somebody's play "stupid" while not expressing a scum read on them implies you having a town, or at least not scum read on them. It seemed fake, as if the whole time he's had extra information, and he knows rayn is town and is subconsciously using that to justify his case on people who accuse rayn.

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On August 29 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
Bout to head out for a few hours. For now all that really bothers me is hopeless, yamato, and oats in that specific order. Everything else seems fairly harmless and I'm not seeing much scumminess in the rayn/scib/whoever debate. I'm worried about yamato because what he's posted so far could very easily be mafia taking a dump in the thread and throwing bad looks at people who smell his shit. There's nothing I can pinpoint in Hopeless' filter, but a few of his posts have given me weird vibes. I guess I'm not convinced that he really thinks I or anyone else could be mafia. I just now looked at Oat's filter and I was unable to see what I thought I saw earlier, so scratch him from my list.

My guess at who's mafia is 1 out of, but probably not both hopeless/yamato, and the rest are people that haven't posted.

What's your thought process between starting and finishing this post? Did you read Oats filter between writing the post? Why? In the start of the post you say something, then you say another thing at the end of it. Why would you not read the whole thread before posting so you are on top of things and not need to change your opinion in the same post?


Yes I had read his filter and I changed my mind on a reread. Editing takes effort.

I've read everything else in the thread but I don't have anything to say about any of it.

I'll try to be more clear:

1) Hopeless thought process is; "rayn is being stupid, but that does not make him mafia. In fact it's more likely that it makes him town. I don't understand the policy in lynching him". You respond to this with:
Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?

I think Hopeless thought process is pretty clear. What do you think there is for him to explain?

2) You didn't really answer my question. Why did you start writing a post before you had read the whole thread? What's the point of doing so because you do not have all the information available? That to me seems like you are contributing to something you can't be called out for later because the information you are contributing to is no more relevant.

3) Can you explain why you wanted people to find out you are a smurf and why did you refuse to tell me that you are a smurf in the first place later when i straight up asked you about it?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 15:52 GMT
#382
On August 30 2013 00:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
PS: essentially he's allowed to misread me but not allowed to read me perfectly then 180 w/o explanation. The latter needs explanation or else he joins my "scummy" pile.

That is a good point, i missed that tbh. I have something else in mind, but i still would like to see if marv sees what i see before i bring it up.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 16:19 GMT
#389
debears first you say i have made the thread hard to read and that is scum motivated, then you say you agree on town read on me. Elaborate please? Also how am i making the thread hard to read?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 16:25 GMT
#391
On August 30 2013 01:06 Tutankoopa wrote:
Re: Rayn

1) Anyone who claims that I was seriously pushing a lynching with my first post is playing dumb. I don't think hopeless is capable of that logic. He's being ever so serious about his case on a guy's first post of the game and it doesn't feel right.
2) re read what I wrote. You are 100% incorrect about this.
3) you are the one who made it an issue. I've said as little as possible about it and only when asked about by you.

1) But why did you use the exact wording you used in your question to Hopeless? Your answer to me now is nowhere near an answer to the question you asked from Hopeless. It's a completely different thing.
2) Simple question. Why do you post before you have read the whole thread? You never answered me.
3) For real man. Your first post in this game is a direct smurf claim or a scum claim. Do you disagree?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 16:27 GMT
#392
On August 30 2013 01:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Rayn the thread is 20 pages and ur filter is 5.

This isn't new, but you are spamming and making the thread hard to read.

Show me one post from my filter after the first two in this game that is spam and explain your statement.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 17:12 GMT
#405
On August 30 2013 01:54 debears wrote:
rayne:

can you organize your top 3 scumreads for me and give elaborate reasoning on them while I do mine?

Tutankoopa:
- I can't see any direction in his play
- When i ask about his motives behind his actions he sums up what he did, not why he did (which is what i am asking). Multiple times.
- He has apparently no reads at all.

Sylencia:
- Him landing on reading Sno is weird. He says he went into Sno's filter by reading Hopeless' filter and the post where Hopeless calls sno out for "appearing that he is reading". That post of Hopeless is bullshit (because it's the second post in the game he refers to - Sno appears to be reading the game by reading the OP? wtf?). However when Sylencia reaches Sno's filter he points out something else that implies Sno is not reading but appearing to be reading. I find that whole scene fishy.

Hopeless:
- Calling out Sno at the start of the game (read my Sylencia read) for bullshit reasons.
- Seemingly not understanding Tutankoopa's first post and the follow up of his after that. Really, it's quite obvious.
- Still arguing about that, and that's pretty much the only thing he has done besides the Sno thingy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 17:15 GMT
#407
Also debears, FirmTofu as fourth. But that's not really relevant until he posts more. He is someone i am really looking forward to looking more into. At the moment there is nothing much to say about him expect my meta read, which i have already explained.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 17:17 GMT
#409
yamato what would you have expected Hapa to do if not going after debears?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 17:31 GMT
#419
debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 17:33 GMT
#421
On August 30 2013 02:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
Can anybody provide some corroboration to this:
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On August 29 2013 18:31 marvellosity wrote:
scibby's posts (especially at first) look weird and constructed as fuck to me but then again I thought the same in Ego and he was town, I guess I'll wait and see if he stays involved

I'm kinda using it as a reason to dismiss debears case but I'll admit A) Marv looks unhelpful this game so I'm not sure I should use anything he says to make reads and B) I've never played with sciberbia.

yeah what marv says is true.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 17:37 GMT
#422
lol actually no, that's not true..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 17:41 GMT
#427
On August 30 2013 02:39 debears wrote:
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On August 30 2013 02:37 debears wrote:
On August 30 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy.


So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town?


Ugh i mean by discredit, "tells people to ignore you"

I could see him doing that given how i played the first 24h in Ego.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 17:58 GMT
#432
On August 30 2013 02:44 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2013 02:39 debears wrote:
On August 30 2013 02:37 debears wrote:
On August 30 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy.


So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town?


Ugh i mean by discredit, "tells people to ignore you"

I could see him doing that given how i played the first 24h in Ego.


How about this line from him?

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On August 29 2013 10:29 sciberbia wrote:
On August 29 2013 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then why are you trying to shut me down for no reason? What's the point of your post where you tell everyone to not listen to my "analysys" (notice the apostrophes or wtf they are in English), why do you tell people to not listen to me?

Why?


OK perhaps I should have made this more clear rayn. I don't want people to ignore ALL of your posts -- only the posts that are distractions with no real content.

I'm not trying to "shut you down" and I have no problem with you making arguments like Sno_man is town because his first post is not something that scum would post. I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but I can see your thought process behind it and it's one of the reasons I think you're town this game.

You made some analysis towards the end of Ego Mini that I really liked, and in general I definitely don't want people to ignore your actual analyses.

But both at the start of Ego Mini and at the start of this game you made a bunch of brash votes with little to no reasoning given. This isn't actual 'analysis' (hence the quotes) which is why I'd prefer it be ignored. I don't want people to pay attention to things like sno_man is town even though I'm voting for him (no explanation given at first), yamato is town (no explanation given) or sciberbia is scum (for being too serious).


If he wanted you ignored for posts of no real content, then why did he defend himself against you if he is town. If he is town, he would know your accusations against him were bullshit. In other words, your accusations should have been ignored by himself according to himself.

The only way your accusations held enough merit for him to not ignore you is if he is mafia

Follow me?>

I don't think so. My thought process on him is the following:
He noticed my posting at the start of this game was quite similar than in Ego. We were both town in that game. I was actually "shitposting" there as i had no time to play that game in the beginning. He thought i would follow up like i did in Ego, therefore he told people to ignore me. When i askd him "why shut me down" he realized i am not going to play like i did in Ego, and clarified his statement that if i am gonna shitpost, i should be ignored. If not, i should be listened. That post of mine directed to him was actually contentful and he realized he was wrong on me, and retracted from his argument.

As i said before he could be doing that as scum aswell, but i do not think it makes him scum because i can see why he did what he did from town pov.

On August 30 2013 02:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
rayn...i just DO NOT understand how you come to a scum read on me. My words on Sno were pure hypothetical "why would you ever do that as scum?"
I'm still harping on TK because, like you, I think he's scum and also that he is misrepresenting my reasons for voting him.

I don't understand your first post about Sno in any way. How does reading the OP = "trying to look like you are reading the thread"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 29 2013 18:03 GMT
#438
debears, another point about sciberbia (related to your "his first post" argument). This is what he said in Ego:
On April 05 2013 09:25 sciberbia wrote:
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On April 05 2013 09:14 Palmar wrote:
Just to throw it out there sciberbia also started the only other game I've played with him (he was scum) with a random thought about the setup/strategy. In both cases he asks someone else to confirm that he has a good idea:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17284265 <--- here

I think we have a winner.


My strategy as scum (as I explained in the post-game) was to try to play exactly as I do as town. The reason that I posted setup speculation as scum is precisely because that is what I usually do as town.

I tend to start the game by inviting discussion on the setup because imo it is the best (only?) way to get people meaningfully talking about something actually relevant to the game.

The alternative way of generating discussion, as you are demonstrating, is to wait until someone else makes a post and then attack them for it, but I don't tend to form scumreads off someone's first post, and I don't like to lie about my reads, hence discussion on setup.

So he does setup speculation as either alignment.

You are right about the third faction point, i found that out to be weird aswell.

Another thing that feels not right about sciberbia is that now that i read his filter from Ego he was really pro-active from the start of the game, gave out reads for multiple people with decent reasoning. I don't see that here. He is more laid back and seems to be observing more than playing the game.

sciberbia you should answer debears post. and give some reads out.
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