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sciberbia
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On September 01 2013 08:23 marvellosity wrote: lol can you not see the hints? I have next to zero idea what's going on right now. I'm extremely perceptive marv but I see nothing from debears claiming he was definitively shot at. | ||
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sciberbia
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I picked up the veteran reference but I don't know why you couldn't just say you were both roleblocked and shot in the first place. I thought maybe you were claiming your vet protection was not popped but instead assumed you were saved by a jailkeeper. | ||
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I dunno I'm with hapa I think they are most likely both town. Not sure whether rayn is lying again or not to try to make a "big play" or something | ||
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sciberbia
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yea I agree. I just kinda want to ignore this debears/rayn drama for now as they both seem rather townie to me based on their filters and with time this night-action stuff may resolve itself. Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk? | ||
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sciberbia
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On September 01 2013 14:10 Onegu wrote: But am I reading correct debears was RB and shot? Yes debears is claiming RB and shot and rayn is claiming shot. | ||
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On September 01 2013 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote: so the real question here is why didnt marv and hapa get targeted in any way? Like rayn is 4-5th choice nk. And debears is like 3-4th @Oats yea I'm a little surprised too but there are a million possible explanations and we have practically no chance of guessing the correct one so it's best not to dwell on it too much. Can you answer to the point debears brought up regarding your read on Sylencia? | ||
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sciberbia
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This bothers me everytime I read your filter. I just don't understand the town motivation behind peppering one of your townreads (rayn) with questions and criticisms and asking marv if he wants to lynch said townread. + Show Spoiler [Oats] + On August 29 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats a horrible way to find a day 1 lynch Rayn. Marv wanna lynch Rayn? On August 29 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: shit like I think PoE is a horrible method for lynch day 1? By "nah" I mean, I dont think rayn is scum. On August 29 2013 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote: hey rayn, why did you vote for sno? I still dont get it. Can you explain in more detail how TK went from strong scum read to strong town read over the course of 24 hours? Since your return to the thread yesterday, you have acted as though TK is hella town, but I really don't see why you would think that, especially considering you had a strong scumread on him at the start of the game. + Show Spoiler [TK is scum] + On August 29 2013 18:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Why is tutonkeonddude town marv? He sheeped some dudes policy vote and asked 'what policy'. Shows that he gives no fucks about who he wants to die. On August 29 2013 18:48 Oatsmaster wrote: He doesnt sound like you sound unless you sound like totally uncommital, talking about useless shit and posting the most wishy washy post ever and generally playing like super scum. Im am completely confused at your insistence that he is totally town. On August 29 2013 19:01 Oatsmaster wrote: I exaggerate a ton man, do you not know that?  Yeah tuntokon doesnt seem bad at mafia, so why is he doing all these bad things? Thats kinda why I think he's scum. Marv, tell me whos scum man. + Show Spoiler [TK is the towniest thing under the sun] + On August 30 2013 22:35 Oatsmaster wrote: So if I can prove that Tutan is town, is hopeless still town rayn? On August 31 2013 06:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn im not killing TK unless redcheck and I need to think REALLY hard for that one. On August 31 2013 06:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn, you are too tunneled to be useful at this point. Every read is influenced by your TK read. On August 31 2013 20:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Let's look at how I reentered the thread. I dropped tutan and voted for Hopeless. Would you rather I continue tunneling obv town? Like I just find this really fishy and don't know what you could have possibly seen from TK to make you backflip so hard. I think you were just being lazy scum and remembered marv 'insisting he was totally town' from earlier in the day, and decided to say you changed your mind and that marv was right. And while I'm on the subject, wtf is the point of saying this On August 31 2013 13:52 Oatsmaster wrote: hey tutan is rayn scum for tunneling you like shit? if tutan is obv town to you and rayn is also obv town from your POV (unless you think he fakeclaimed mason as scum to stop you from getting mislynched). I just see no town motivation at all for asking such a question to one of your strongest town reads about one of your other strongest town reads. Finally, you said this On August 31 2013 09:26 Oatsmaster wrote: How the fuck did I get almost lynched.... come on guys.. I don't understand why you're so surprised. What do you feel you have done this game that makes you so clearly town or a bad lynch option? What have you done or said this game that you would not have done if you were scum? | ||
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sciberbia
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On September 01 2013 15:21 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Do you never criticize bad play Scib? Cause thats what I was doing. Asking someone if they want to lynch a dude is just that. No other implied meaning. 2. There were like 20 pages and TK doubled his filter I think. I also detunneled cause I got out of the thread and took into account what marv said about TK and his contributions since I left. Its good. 3. Again its a question. THATS ALL. I didnt think tutan was scum, I didnt think Rayn was scum. I could be wrong and asking stuff like this helps. More info = better game. 4. I have been contributing and shit. Come on Scib. Im like a day 3-4 lynch, not day 1. Especially since there was no fucking case on me with ANYTHING showing how I was scum rather than how I was DIFFERENT from my normal retarded play which Im trying not to do. I wouldve totally like pushed the lurkers as scum and also like probably wouldnt have 180ed on Tuten. @Oats 1) There doesn't have to be some implied meaning but there has got to be some motivation for doing it, right? You don't just throw a dart at the wall to decide what to post do you? The only possible town motivations I can see would be fishing for some specific response from marv, or trying to actually get rayn lynched. You're telling me you weren't doing either of those two things? 2) I can understand if maybe you changed your mind on the scum read part. But what specifically makes him "obv town" to you? From what I can tell nobody else in this game is in your "obv town" category. Can you list your top 4 townreads for me right now? 3) It's just odd to me that of all the questions you could ask anyone at the time, you chose to ask a very strong townread for thoughts on another very strong townread. I don't think it's just me. Most townies would not do that. 4) Not that this point is very important, but your two candidates around lynch-time yesterday were Slam and FT (aka the lurkers), no? | ||
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sciberbia
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Can you please point to SPECIFIC things that makes you think TK is obviously town. Please use relevant quotes from marv's filter or TK's filter as appropriate. If you want me to believe that you genuinely changed your mind, please walk me through your exact, SPECIFIC thought process. Don't just say something like "yea I changed my mind" or "TK doubled his filter" or "marv said TK is town". Any scum could say that and if you actually changed your mind it shouldn't be too hard for you to point out some specific posts of TK that demonstrate why he is very clearly town to you. Also I'd like to see you put more effort into pushing your lynch today. Who's your strongest scumread right now? If it's me so be it, but write a case that consists of more than "scib has no thread impact" and "scib tried to lynch me but I'm town". Like if you want to say that fine but expand on it more and explain why it makes me scum. You actually want to convince people, yes? Even as scum in Ego Mini you had more thread impact and more impressive cases than you've written this game. | ||
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I find his answers somewhat unsatisfactory but I'm not sure whether Oats would give me answers that I would consider unsatisfactory regardless of his alignment. If that made any sense. So yea opinions on Oats would be appreciated. | ||
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sciberbia
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Slam please read Oats's filter and give your read on him. Other good filters to get to would be TK, sn0_man, and yamato | ||
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sciberbia
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It's not just that he's in the thread less than normal -- it's that even when he's in the thread I just see absolutely no spark of townie insight or original analysis from him. There just isn't anything in his filter that looks like it would take him more than 10 seconds of brainstorming to come up with as scum:
Just seems like a super lazy scum game to me. I'll be very interested to hear feedback from you all because I don't see any reason not to lynch Oats today. | ||
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On September 01 2013 20:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Its absolutely stupid for scumrayn to claim vet. Like INSANELY STUPID. On September 01 2013 22:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Im thinking if rayn is smart enough to do this as scum... What do you think of the fact that rayn fake-claimed mason to save you (a confirmed townie from your POV) from the lynch? You are deliberating the possibility that was some kind of absurd scum powerplay? | ||
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On September 02 2013 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ehh.. why can't mafia "breadcrumb" some role and assuming a certain situation happens (like a no-kill in a game where doctor and their target is not informed of a save) claim "yeah dudes, look, i crumbed my role vet i am totes town, now you gotta believe me"?? It's not that hard, and i put zero value in breadcrumbs. I agree with rayn that it's not virtually impossible that debears is lying just because of his breadcrumb. Rayn's theory is plausible. But I agree with rayn that it's not especially likely in this case. On September 02 2013 03:21 debears wrote: @Scribs I'm gonna put you as my strongest town read with the way your posts have been going since I got off. I'm liking your Oats stuff. I will definitely join the cause. I still have questions on the Rayn thing though I need your perspective on. 1) What do you think of his claim without a breadcrumb? 2) What do you think of his vet claim after the already occuring mason claim lie? Aww thanks debears <3 1) I see no reason why he would make this fake-claim as scum. I don't think he was in any danger of ever getting lynched, so why would he put that at risk by calling you out as a liar and starting a veteran showdown? The fact that he has no breadcrumb probably means nothing if it is true that he does in fact never breadcrumb. I assume it's true until somebody tells me it's not. 2) What hapa said about it probably being legit if he is town. The mason claim had a very clear purpose -- to manipulate the lynch. This claim doesn't seem to further his other agenda in any way. It is kinda fishy that we have two veteran claims and they somehow just both happened to be shot by anti-town factions night 1. But there's no actual evidence that either of them is scum and crazier shit has happened at night, so I'm willing to stick to my previous town reads on these two until we have more information. | ||
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On September 02 2013 05:54 debears wrote: But then do people who are protected also get hit notifications? It is not defined in the op who gets hit notificiations. So, as mafia, you would run the risk of the townsperson you shoot of claiming being shot, a doc knowing they protected correctly, and having two people on your ass? As a point of clarification, the OP states that only passively protected roles receive a notification. So a townie could be saved by a doc and not be any the wiser. Also to re-iterate hapa's question from earlier, out of curiosity, were either of your roles dependent on the water level in some way? @marv Do you agree or disagree with what hapa just wrote about Oats and why? Judging from your earlier post you seem to disagree? | ||
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On September 02 2013 06:11 debears wrote: Nah no change on mine. Where does the op say the hit notification stuff. Couldn't find it -_- @debears + Show Spoiler [hosts] + On August 22 2013 06:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On September 01 2013 08:27 Clarity_nl wrote: Active protection would be something like a medic protect. Passive protection would be something like a veteran | ||
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sciberbia
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Are you not reading the thread or something? I don't know how you could have missed this. rayn is claiming veteran, and that he was shot debears is claiming he is a veteran, and that he was shot and roleblocked On September 01 2013 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am a vet. debears claim is shit. he is scum. i was hit. On September 01 2013 08:27 debears wrote: I was both roleblocked and shot. I am a veteran That's why there is speculation on two vets. There is no evidence that rayn is actually a veteran but it just doesn't make a lot of sense for him to lie if he is town. I'd be happy to talk through Onegu with you at some point tonight. What makes you think Oats is town? | ||
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On September 02 2013 09:48 yamato77 wrote: Hapa, do you have anything to say about my post besides to question my weak town read of Syl? This goes for anyone, btw. @yamato The only thing in there that i found very interesting was On September 01 2013 22:50 yamato77 wrote: Null: Onegu, Sn0, Slam Probable anti-town: Oats, TK I'll substantiate my reads on the null/anti-town players in short order. | ||
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sciberbia
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On a scale of stupid to completely fucking retarded, his other fake-claims are stupid whereas if he is lying about this one it's completely fucking retarded. On September 02 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote: @scib I will give those reads, probably in the morning. I am unfortunately out of time right now. @yamato Can you at least like, write a few lines about your top scum read and vote them before you go to bed? I feel like we need some urgency here. 22 hours until lynch and the thread is just crawling along. | ||
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