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On August 30 2013 16:02 Tutankoopa wrote:
Onegu, my biggest problem with your filter is the lack of questioning other players, especially scum reads. You don't exactly move the conversation forwards when you post. You recently said you think Hopeless has a good chance of flipping mafia. Are you going to try and lynch him going forwards?
I don't know, I guess I'm waiting for you to bring something productive AND original to the thread.
Ok fair enough I have always been better at answering questions with my thoughts than asking them guess thats why I convinced all the town players I was in PMs with in GoT that I was town but still got mislynched.
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On August 30 2013 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu plays way WAY, LIKE WAYYY better as scum than he does as town.
Am i the only one in this game that thinks Hopeless is town?
Must be my newbie scum coaches 
Anyway I have a doctors appointment, and am then going to celebrated my birthday belatedly, when I get back I will look into syl and everyone else. Wtf are you doing FT? Do something or die.
##VOTE:FirmTofu
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I think he should be lynched as hasnt done much of anything, this reminds me of DI in NWM when he flipped mafia but I guess that was DI meta. I just want him to do something so we can get a betterread on him. But after rayne had me go and read some of his other filters he looks slightly scummy for his first post. But really not have time to expqnd more on this yet.
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On August 30 2013 16:42 Tutankoopa wrote:
He should be lynched instead of anyone else? How many hrs will you be away?
I hate letting lurkers into lylo especially ones that are somewhat scummy. But maybe not today for him as I also think hopeless looks bad, and I havent looked at syl close yet. Ill be gone maybe 4-6 hours. But he really needs to do something.
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Ok Im at the hospital ane have a few minutes.
On August 30 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears you are right about what you said.
Also i have a question to you:
Have you actually read the whole thread? I mean, sciberbia's attitude towards me and Onegu's town-meta have been topics of discussion before and they have been explained. Why have you missed them if you have read the thread before you started posting?
When I see a bunch of short posts about different people from different people, I tune out. It's worthless trying to keep that organized in my head.
I worry about the main happenings. Who's against who. Who's active and talking to others about actual stuff.
That kinda thing. I only zone in when something jumps out (have a feeling)[/QUOTE]
This post got me off of debears as a lynch canidate for the time being, I dont see scum saying they dont read the thread. While its not concrete and I dont agree with his hopeless read. At this point I dont think he is a good day one one lynch as I believe hopeless and FT are better lynches at this point.
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@Rayne are you down for a FT lynch at this point? He is still not back and this is nothing like how I have seen him play, even in GoT he had scum hunting and actual posts while he was lurking, he has done none of that this game.
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On August 31 2013 00:36 Sylencia wrote:
Need to sleep, ##Vote Onegu
I mentioned it before
- No real reads since the case on debears dropped
- Pushes on FT for an easy lurker lynch - gives him no reason to have to make a case
- His posts have had some quantity with no quality to it.
I think it's worse than Tutan, and I don't have much meta on Onegu so it's pretty neutral in that respect.
Meh I understand, I really need to turn my town play around :/. That being said a few quick things before I go in depth.
FT still hasnt came back and is a good lynch canidate. If not him alakaslam should die, its dumb to not lynch him because he replaced in 9~ hours from deadline. The person he replaced was scummy simple as that.
Still havent caught up on the whole syl thing, and while I understand his reasoning I find it odd he hasnt pointed posts out as scummy, he just says im overall scummy. Debears pointed things out and put together a case that made me feel much better about him. Ok doing some deeper reading now.
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On August 30 2013 17:16 Sylencia wrote:Alright, here's my current views: FT: Easily a decent lynch option here, generally you follow a declaration of presence with something, but he's gone mia for the last day. I'd support a lynch on FT. Tutan: I'm reading up on him and the reasoning behind the votes behind him. I disagree with Hopeless's reasons and while Oats's accusations can make sense, it follows the same reasoning that if Tutan's sheep was a joke, the case around him kind of falls apart: Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 20:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
It didnt read to me as a joke AT all and he never mentions that its a joke.
I said that mafia generally do not draw attention to themselves. Tuken was not proposing a policy lynch, he was just following yamato. So thats not too attention drawing. Also if I didnt push him and all that, we would not be talking about him at all. So he didnt draw attention to himself. His vote was in the first hour, and is his vote any worse than Hopeless's vote which sheeped yours? If you apply it to one, it should apply to the other right? Basically, I don't feel comfortable with a Tutan lynch - unless I missed something (I am not reading rayn's filter). More soonish
Says he is ok with a FT lynch here.
On August 30 2013 21:25 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa:
- I can't see any direction in his play
- When i ask about his motives behind his actions he sums up what he did, not why he did (which is what i am asking). Multiple times.
- He has apparently no reads at all. Would you say this is better or worse than what I see from Onegu (who I believe you say you have a town read on): - No real direction in his play - He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering - Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker. To me, this seems worse, so I'm interested to see why this comes off differently. Reading what came in the last page when my friends and I stop dotaing
Gives reasons for voteing me here without point out any posts.
On August 30 2013 22:48 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 22:43 yamato77 wrote:
I have to find a lynch candidate before I sleep.
give me bullet point on the case on hopeless, not going to reread to find it Between FT/Hopeless/Onegu which would you vote for? I think you mentioned FT being decent, but is it better than the other 2?
Again says he is ok with a FT lynch
On August 31 2013 00:36 Sylencia wrote:
Need to sleep, ##Vote Onegu
I mentioned it before
- No real reads since the case on debears dropped
- Pushes on FT for an easy lurker lynch - gives him no reason to have to make a case
- His posts have had some quantity with no quality to it.
I think it's worse than Tutan, and I don't have much meta on Onegu so it's pretty neutral in that respect.
Now look at the second line of why I am scummy. And I gave reasons for him being a good lynch, ie lurking, his scum meta for calling out rayne. Scy looks like he is just comeimg after me as a easy lynch target without any solid reasons other than sheeping what other people have points out about me. I would be ok with a scy lynch, but for the time being FT needs to die, and alakaslam has done nothing to change my read off of hopeless. I am ok with any of these three lynches.
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On August 31 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum.
It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid.
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On August 31 2013 03:40 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 03:38 Onegu wrote:On August 31 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum. It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid. I hate to bring up meta-gaming reasons, but usually when someone replaces in a "hopeless" situation (pun intended) such as this, they're usually demoralized town. And how is there a good chance that FT is scum? All we know is that he's afk and is going to get modkilled/replaced.
I think based on his first post compared to what rayne had me look up in titanic, and I have seen him lurking in town games also and it was nothing like this, his second post does nothing after his first post says he will post his thoughts, but you are right looks like he will get modkilled at this point, if he comes back my vote will go right back on him though.
##UNVOTE
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On August 31 2013 04:26 FirmTofu wrote:
##vote:Tutankoopa
##VOTE: FirmTofu
Kill him plz, a vote with no backup?! So he wont get modkilled, he is a good lynch now.
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Ok its 3am I need to get some sleep now, with how FT is giving his reads now with zero rhyme or reason to them make me lean scum, also we disagree about yamato. The post about figureing out marv and hapa is nothing like his recent scum games.
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On August 31 2013 11:13 Tutankoopa wrote:Onegu is mafia. Alakaslam is probably mafia too but right now I want get the Onegu conversation out of the way. There's a general pattern in Onegu's play, and it has to do with what lynches he's pushed, or rather, not pushed. There are two good examples of what I'm talking about. Onegu made the following post about debears at the start of the game. Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 20:02 Onegu wrote:On August 29 2013 19:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh @ Onegu
You have two posts commenting on reads so far, but you haven't given any concrete opinions. You've criticized several statements/posts so far but haven't offered anything of your own. Do you have any strong reads any which way right now? Yes I am leaning scum on dabears, guess I should have been more clear on that if I had to choose . Also from the whole sn0 thing and how rayne reacted made me feel town on him. FT needs to get back in here as he has done nothing. I also agree with rayne that sn0s post is townie. Several other things happened after that regarding Onegua and debears, but let's come back to those later. The last thing in this storyline was Onegu abandoning his debears lynch in order to propose a lynch on the 2 post coinflip lynch, FT. Why? Up till that point Onegu had never retracted his stance on debears. When I asked about it, Onegu said he changed his mind on debears due to this post. Well.... there's not much alignment indicative information in that response for two reasons. The first is that the debears post in question (Hapa and I talked about it) had already been a talking point so I can;'t exactly credit Onegue for "making a read." The second reason is that Onegu never said anything about dropping debears as a scumread. I think this is pretty fishy, at best it's null. The second example is far more damning. It relates to yet again, Onegu having a scumread and not considering that read as a lynch option. Here is what Onegu had to say about Hopeless. I think this was around the time when Onegu returned from a moderate posting break. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 15:46 Onegu wrote:
Ok I got it, I think you are null to slightly town I dont see what hopeless found scummy in you. I think hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum.
"Hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum." What do you do when someone has a good chance of flipping scum? You lynch them! What does Onegu do? Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 16:16 Onegu wrote:
Anyway I have a doctors appointment, and am then going to celebrated my birthday belatedly, when I get back I will look into syl and everyone else. Wtf are you doing FT? Do something or die.
##VOTE:FirmTofu This post happened 30 minutes after Onegu can be quoted saying that "hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum." What else does Onegu have to say about Hopeless? Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 03:38 Onegu wrote:On August 31 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum. It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid. This obviously came after hopeless dropped out. Onegu's point is that we shouldn't give Alakaslam any leeway for being a replacement. If this is truly Onegu's opinion then I would expect him to still be vocal about considering an Alakaslam lynch, which he wasn't. He made several posts about Hopeless's scumminess throughout D1, but he never showed any interest in lynching him. The same thing goes for the debears read, although that is tricker due to Onegu's non-confirmable explanation. Summary:Onegu is not pushing candidates that line up with his scumreads. There was the weirdness with debears, and the multiple instances of Onegu saying that Hopeless is a good lynch, but when it's time to pick a candidate Onegue settles for FT. When Onegu made this decision FT had all of two posts. Why would a townie think one player has a good chance of flipping scum, but then decide to lynch a coinflip lurker who has 2 posts?
How am I not pushing my scum reads I also said FT had a good chance to flip scum, then he came back and placed his vote down with no reason, he deserved to die for his play it was scummy. And when I first unvoted him I was decideing between syl and alakaslam. Then FT made the vote with no backup after I said if he comes back my vote will go right back on him.
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On August 31 2013 11:45 Sylencia wrote:
The one I'm currently worried about though is Slam, look at this filter coming into this game - absolute spam :|
Welcome to the world of alakaslam, at least he hasnt posted 12 youtube videos and talked about svengali 50 times.
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On August 31 2013 11:48 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 11:33 Onegu wrote:On August 31 2013 11:13 Tutankoopa wrote:Onegu is mafia. Alakaslam is probably mafia too but right now I want get the Onegu conversation out of the way. There's a general pattern in Onegu's play, and it has to do with what lynches he's pushed, or rather, not pushed. There are two good examples of what I'm talking about. Onegu made the following post about debears at the start of the game. On August 29 2013 20:02 Onegu wrote:On August 29 2013 19:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh @ Onegu
You have two posts commenting on reads so far, but you haven't given any concrete opinions. You've criticized several statements/posts so far but haven't offered anything of your own. Do you have any strong reads any which way right now? Yes I am leaning scum on dabears, guess I should have been more clear on that if I had to choose . Also from the whole sn0 thing and how rayne reacted made me feel town on him. FT needs to get back in here as he has done nothing. I also agree with rayne that sn0s post is townie. Several other things happened after that regarding Onegua and debears, but let's come back to those later. The last thing in this storyline was Onegu abandoning his debears lynch in order to propose a lynch on the 2 post coinflip lynch, FT. Why? Up till that point Onegu had never retracted his stance on debears. When I asked about it, Onegu said he changed his mind on debears due to this post. Well.... there's not much alignment indicative information in that response for two reasons. The first is that the debears post in question (Hapa and I talked about it) had already been a talking point so I can;'t exactly credit Onegue for "making a read." The second reason is that Onegu never said anything about dropping debears as a scumread. I think this is pretty fishy, at best it's null. The second example is far more damning. It relates to yet again, Onegu having a scumread and not considering that read as a lynch option. Here is what Onegu had to say about Hopeless. I think this was around the time when Onegu returned from a moderate posting break. On August 30 2013 15:46 Onegu wrote:
Ok I got it, I think you are null to slightly town I dont see what hopeless found scummy in you. I think hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum.
"Hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum." What do you do when someone has a good chance of flipping scum? You lynch them! What does Onegu do? On August 30 2013 16:16 Onegu wrote:
Anyway I have a doctors appointment, and am then going to celebrated my birthday belatedly, when I get back I will look into syl and everyone else. Wtf are you doing FT? Do something or die.
##VOTE:FirmTofu This post happened 30 minutes after Onegu can be quoted saying that "hopeless has a very good chance of flipping scum." What else does Onegu have to say about Hopeless? On August 31 2013 03:38 Onegu wrote:On August 31 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum. It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid. This obviously came after hopeless dropped out. Onegu's point is that we shouldn't give Alakaslam any leeway for being a replacement. If this is truly Onegu's opinion then I would expect him to still be vocal about considering an Alakaslam lynch, which he wasn't. He made several posts about Hopeless's scumminess throughout D1, but he never showed any interest in lynching him. The same thing goes for the debears read, although that is tricker due to Onegu's non-confirmable explanation. Summary:Onegu is not pushing candidates that line up with his scumreads. There was the weirdness with debears, and the multiple instances of Onegu saying that Hopeless is a good lynch, but when it's time to pick a candidate Onegue settles for FT. When Onegu made this decision FT had all of two posts. Why would a townie think one player has a good chance of flipping scum, but then decide to lynch a coinflip lurker who has 2 posts? How am I not pushing my scum reads I also said FT had a good chance to flip scum, then he came back and placed his vote down with no reason, he deserved to die for his play it was scummy. And when I first unvoted him I was decideing between syl and alakaslam. Then FT made the vote with no backup after I said if he comes back my vote will go right back on him. Saying that FT had a good chance to flip mafia is worthless if you don't back it up with an explanation. I asked you for an explanation and you posted things such as: Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 16:52 Onegu wrote:On August 30 2013 16:42 Tutankoopa wrote:
He should be lynched instead of anyone else? How many hrs will you be away? I hate letting lurkers into lylo especially ones that are somewhat scummy. But maybe not today for him as I also think hopeless looks bad, and I havent looked at syl close yet. Ill be gone maybe 4-6 hours. But he really needs to do something. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 16:39 Onegu wrote:
I think he should be lynched as hasnt done much of anything, this reminds me of DI in NWM when he flipped mafia but I guess that was DI meta. I just want him to do something so we can get a betterread on him. But after rayne had me go and read some of his other filters he looks slightly scummy for his first post. But really not have time to expqnd more on this yet. I don't see your reasoning for thinking that FT had a good chance to flip mafia? How could he have? He had two posts. What was going on in your head at the time? What specific reasons did you have for thinking FT was mafia at that exact moment in the thread? I don't see how you could have possibly been more confident in your FT read than in your Hopeless read or any other read.
It was mostly meta on him as I have played alot with him. And I was about even on him and hopeless as scum. And there was zero town motivation for him to make the first post calling out rayne promise to post his thoughts then post a post that does nothing, and leave. And like I said I dont want a scummy lurker at lylo
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On August 31 2013 12:18 Tutankoopa wrote:
Meta on somebody who had posted twice?
That's the core of the issue. I mean... I have a hard time believing you had a real read on FT.
So you think rayne is scum?
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On August 29 2013 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have a point in FT, Sylencia. I have strong meta-reasons to believe he is scum.
I still don't get the Sn0 part. I get why you think it's beneficial for him to unvote as mafia before leaving, but why would he make the vote on the first place? And why would he unvote in the manner he did as at that time i (and also marv) thought exactly the same thing about sciberbia's post Sno is talking about?
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Me and rayne had the same read on FT I did for the same reasons he was just tunneled into you.
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On August 31 2013 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean, i asked Onegu to read some games where FT was in and tell me what he does think, and his only follow up on that was "i guess he was scum in titanic?". That's like.. no. And now he claims he had a meta-read on him? No dude, you did not.
Rayn I have played in more games with FT than with anyone else. Titanic was one of the few in which I hadnt played with him. I have seen his town play, I have seen his lurky town play this wasnt either of those things. Ill pull the post where I give my own meta analysis instead of just going off of what you told me to read.
On August 31 2013 03:48 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 03:40 Hapahauli wrote:On August 31 2013 03:38 Onegu wrote:On August 31 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum. It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid. I hate to bring up meta-gaming reasons, but usually when someone replaces in a "hopeless" situation (pun intended) such as this, they're usually demoralized town. And how is there a good chance that FT is scum? All we know is that he's afk and is going to get modkilled/replaced. I think based on his first post compared to what rayne had me look up in titanic, and I have seen him lurking in town games also and it was nothing like this, his second post does nothing after his first post says he will post his thoughts, but you are right looks like he will get modkilled at this point, if he comes back my vote will go right back on him though. ##UNVOTE
Plus he needed to die and there was a good chance he would flip scum. he did nothing after he came back except throw his vote on someone for no reason and ask a meta question, thats not pro town play.
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