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On September 03 2013 05:16 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:
As far as my read on Yamato goes, I'm still annoyed that he's posting so little, but I find it hard to believe he'd still be attacking me at this stage of the game as scum. Well seeing as you called him town for doing it on D1 I don't see why as scum he'd stop #WIFOM What did you think of this post? Doesn't seem very genuine to me. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 08:55 yamato77 wrote:On August 30 2013 08:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Stop arguing with marv and argue with me for a second.
What parts of my explanations are inadequate? You're fine. Scum Hapa would have folded his cards by now if I was really right Who folds their cards as scum? I don't see why he suddenly decided you weren't scum anymore.
To be fair, my scum-game is terrible and I probably would have either stopped arguing with the guy if I was.
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Actually Oats, I also want to talk to you about this (something that Alakaslam brought up but was seemingly ignored by most in the thread):
On August 31 2013 04:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show me evidence FT isnt a coinflip/lurker lynch rayn.
On August 31 2013 06:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
ft is good lynch
##unvote
##vote FT
Hopeless/alak tmr I guess.
Rayn im not killing TK unless redcheck and I need to think REALLY hard for that one.
These posts were made two hours apart. And we weren't at the part of the game where everyone was like "fuck it, lets lurker lynch". In fact Sn0 had just voted Slam, so the wagon had some level of traction.
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On September 03 2013 05:39 sciberbia wrote:@hapa Since Oats isn't here I'll just tell you what he will say See this post 6 minutes later Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 06:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 31 2013 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 31 2013 06:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
I sheep you like every fucking game rayn. Dont beg, its unbecoming. You don't. Why is FTscum? under no pressure, doesnt post. comes in, pokes a bit which shows he has time, AND DOESNT DO SHIT. Random vote on a dude that is currently at the top if im not mistaken with no explanation or anything. FT is not a lurker, FT is not posting anything helpful. Like he doesnt want to find scum, he just doesnt really care because a town lynch looks like its happening, TK/hopeless maybe.
Hm yeah FT did have that burst of posting between that time.
I'm still at such a loss on what to do with Oats. Just can't tell if his inactivity is due to business or scuminess.
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Oats is definetly lynchable, and I have lynched him when he was scum before. The problem is that he's falling in between his town/scum metas right now which is really, really weird. The things you point about about his flip-flopping reads are really normal for his town-game. The only thing that makes him potentially scummy is him being inactive and/or parking his vote on various lurkers.
As far as Yamato goes, yeah that's extremely troubling. You might have convinced me on him.
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On September 03 2013 06:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
##unvote
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On September 03 2013 06:09 Tutankoopa wrote:
Hi Hapa. I noticed that you haven't gone
"Waaaaaait just a minute"
and then proceed to interrogate someone until you decide they're town? That's your #1 towntell, your tendency to grill a scumread until you reach a conclusion that you're comfortable with.
HELP ME HAPA
It's near impossible for me to grill someone because the people I'm suspicious of (like 5 people) are barely active. Combined with me starting school last week and having to do work, I get like 2-3 post exchanges with someone, and then one of us fucks off.
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On September 03 2013 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why can't you guys just sheep yamato?
You can talk to me if you're suspicious of me you know.
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On September 03 2013 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:On September 03 2013 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why can't you guys just sheep yamato? You can talk to me if you're suspicious of me you know. Yeah i have. You didn't say anything.
You have? Must have missed it.
Well let's talk - what do you want me ot respond to?
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On September 03 2013 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:This: Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 01 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:On September 01 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk? onegu TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn? As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)? Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either.. That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu? I have never seen town!Hapahauli not reading the thread properly.
Dude I'm known for derping reading the thread as town 100x a game. It's often because I just skim-read too quickly and jump to gut conclusions about things.
Well anyway, it's not like I don't "understand" what TK is getting at. It's more that I can identify and trace a town-mentality behind Onegu's posts that TK ignores.
For example, Onegu never playing in a game iwth FT mafia and basing a read off of the 4 (?) games he's played with town FT is a perfectly normal mistake for a newbie to make. It's something that virtually every newbie does at some point or another.
I'm also not really pursuing this all that much because I think TK is town.
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Anything else Rayn? I find it really hard to believe that your vote would be justified only by that point.
On September 03 2013 06:42 Tutankoopa wrote:
Anyone have a convincing argument for alak being town?
Not really, beyond I get a sense of "genuinity" behind some of his posts.
That might not be robust enough for me not to vote him at this point though.
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On September 03 2013 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 06:42 Hapahauli wrote:On September 03 2013 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:This: On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 01 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:On September 01 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk? onegu TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn? As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)? Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either.. That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu? I have never seen town!Hapahauli not reading the thread properly. Dude I'm known for derping reading the thread as town 100x a game. It's often because I just skim-read too quickly and jump to gut conclusions about things. Well anyway, it's not like I don't "understand" what TK is getting at. It's more that I can identify and trace a town-mentality behind Onegu's posts that TK ignores. For example, Onegu never playing in a game iwth FT mafia and basing a read off of the 4 (?) games he's played with town FT is a perfectly normal mistake for a newbie to make. It's something that virtually every newbie does at some point or another. I'm also not really pursuing this all that much because I think TK is town. Your explanation is way different than it was before. Why? Why did you not shut down a bad case before?
When I question people, I'll frame things in different (often stronger) ways to ellicit responses. As for why I didn't "shut it down", well it's because I'm null on Onegu. I want the guy to post and respond to things. I'm also not all that fearful of TK's motives, so I wasn't inclined to follow through with my pressure for that reason either.
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On September 03 2013 06:46 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 06:45 sciberbia wrote:@marv On September 03 2013 06:43 marvellosity wrote:
Can we lynch the guy with no reads who is probably going to come back to the thread at the last minute to make a last ditch effort to save himself when he's had all day to push anyone or do anything?
Sound good?
##Vote: Alakaslam Do you think Alakaslam is more likely to flip scum than both Oats and yamato? Yes or no. Same question to hapa.
Idunno man. I'm completely lost on this. I have reasons to believe that all three are both scum and town.
Objectively I think Alakasam's play has been the worst so far. However lynching solely on objectively bad play ended up in a mislynch yesterday.
Of the three, I think Oats has the least chance of being scum.
I really did like your post on Yamato before, so I'm more deciding between Alakasam/Yamato at this point.
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Anythign else Rayn? Again I don't mind responding to the stuff about TK's case, but this seems so nitpicky than anything else. Surely there's some other reason you're suspicious of me?
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Geh that does not look like a vote-count that's going to lead to a scum-lynch.
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On September 03 2013 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Anythign else Rayn? Again I don't mind responding to the stuff about TK's case, but this seems so nitpicky than anything else. Surely there's some other reason you're suspicious of me? I have never been in a game where you have been scum so i can't tell. You do not seem like your town!self though. Maybe i figure it next time you roll scum so i can explain it to people. You are off somehow, and i can't tell how. :/
Well I am certainly less hyperactive than in my past town-games. I took a fairly long break from mafia before this game (I did play a short stint in Sicilian, but replaced out due to travel plans after Day 1), mostly because I've been finding myself getting burned out of playing.
And especially with the recent voice mafia stuff, it feels like I can get the same gratification playing a mafia game for a couple of hours on the weekend as opposed to grinding out a forum mafia game for a week. Between that burnout feel and school starting, I really haven't hard the time nor the mental presence to do what I normally do in a game.
So yeah I'm definitely "off" in a sense. However do understand that me being "off" in the early game has been normal of late in my town-games. "Off" hapa isn't scum hapa. "Terrible posting that makes people want to throw up" hapa is scum hapa.
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On September 03 2013 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like:
- I don't like the fact that Hapa did justify his town read on me with what he had said ~24h ago on D1 end.
- I don't like his Oats pudh, it's bad.
- I don't like questioning on TK. Somehow it does not make sense.
- I don't like his yamato read.
- I don't like some of his post because to me it looks like he is not giving a fuck.
I don't like the fact that i can't make a case on him because i am unable to put all this together and tell how that all makes him scum... bleh..
Also kill TK.
You don't like my play and disagree with me... well... cool. If that's the reason, then I'm at a loss for how I'm supposed to defend myself.
And you're still suspicious of TK? >>
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On September 03 2013 07:07 Tutankoopa wrote:
I guess I'm fine with letting the alak lynch happen? *shrug*
But I'm also starting to have a change of heart about Oats so idk
It's annoying that virtaully all of these lynch candidates aren't present around the deadline.
I guess I'll read through both filters again and see whats up.
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I think we should kill Oats. I know I've changed my mind like 3000x on this, but I absolutely hate how this Slam lynch is going down, and there's too much in Slam's filter that gives me town-vibes about him.
Firstly in regards to the Slam lynch... everyone is suspicious of the guy, yet a good portion of us doubt his allignment, yet still want to vote him. That should set off some alarms right away about the direction this lynch is heading right now.
And there are just these "townie-bombs" all over his filter that scream genuinity to me:
On August 31 2013 13:14 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 11:45 Sylencia wrote:
The one I'm currently worried about though is Slam, look at this filter coming into this game - absolute spam :| BUT I'm vt. So if you don't want me to spam I can slow it down. Asking for reads though? Better be satisfied with "oats is town, Raynepelikoneet is town, ONEGU is town, I am town, and marv is null." Will have to do. I am too nervous to lead a mislynch, and I can't reason why anything is scummy. My WIFOM scale is as broad as the pacific, everything is WIFOM to me.
On September 02 2013 17:28 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 17:23 sciberbia wrote:
@alakaslam
Much appreciated. Please try not to leave the thread again until you have read a few filters, given a few reads, given explanations for those reads, and given your thoughts on who we should lynch today.
We really need all the contributions we can get from you right now. Sighhhhh...... Oh alright. Yamato sees real things about me and makes sensible conclusions about me. He makes conclusions I pretty much agree with or argues with Marv and others about vet meta stuff that I usually ignore because I won't get it and I'm narcissistic in Mafia if not generally so. And Yamato doesn't look scummy to my gut, the biggest voice in my mafia strategizing.
These are the two most pronounced in my mind. Reading them strikes me as so genuine that I can't bring myself to lynch him. I think the guy is a townie that's simply busy.
As for Oats, I seem to always remember his play this game as a lot "townier" than his filter actually is.
The bottom line is that one of the spazziest, craziest, insane town players on TL is playing anything but.
A meta-tell I like using with Oats is something I talked with ObviousOne about a few months back. Oats always displays "madness". HOwever, when his madness is "focused", he is mafia. A town oats will spaz back and forth about everything in the thread, to the point of violently and uncompromisingly pushing unpopular lynches and attacking town leaders.
This game, Oats is attacking lynch-bait. Lynch-bait, over and over again. And not only that, but he's remarkably passive about almost all of it.
I can see the townieness in Slams' filter, and I really can't justify keeping Oats alive any more. His filter reads like scum, and I think we should kill Oats.
##Vote Oatsmatser
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On September 03 2013 07:31 marvellosity wrote:
Simply busy? He has a 4 page filter without a scumread.
Really?
Ok. Does that strike you as mafia-motivated?
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I mean seriously. Mafia would assuredly have atleast 1 scum-read by now.
Look at Slams recent mafia game (the latest newbie game). He's more than comfortable articulating scum-reads there.
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