EPTalso, myr, why did you put your vote on ray?
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also, myr, why did you put your vote on ray? | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:20 killerdog wrote: Umasi, whats your opinion of voting for velocity? You've lightly defended him in the past, but you've also indicated that if there was a strong scum read you'd prefer to lynch them instead of going for the afk/lurker. Would you rather lynch myrzeth, Chairman Ray or Lord Velocity? see my other post :| although myrz vote is super fucking weird again | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:42 Holyflare wrote: /deadline hype! +1 I'm sticking with ray | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:45 killerdog wrote: Also a quick note. If, in the last 15 minutes to try and save themselves, someone comes out as a blue role. What do we do? Obviously noone should counterclaim (even if it wasn't a semi open setup that would be dumb as hell) but do we still lynch them, or do we switch lynches to myrzeth and see if mafia kills them that night? I really don't want to have everything go to shit in the last 5 minutes becomes someone randomly goes "ok i'm Q" I actually don't know. I'm gonna ignore it though, desperation moves are ridiculous also for those who aren't aware, don't fucking blue hunt in thread. just a side note. | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:47 Lord Velocity wrote: Well kill me then if you feel I'm the scummiest, but notice how dumb you will feel after I flip in the morning oh my god go fuck yourself right now hoooooooly shit I'm sticking with ray, but holy god, I almost want to switch. | ||
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SO retarded to say heavenz, I do not see the comparison between blurry and myrzeth | ||
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:| why are killerdog, zeth, and lonemeow scum? | ||
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SPAM READS. this is your last chance. If you're mafia, SPAM READS TO LOOK TOWNIE if you're town, we can consider your reads if you're mafia, we'll just ignore them. | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:54 Chairman Ray wrote: I'm not just screaming that I'm town. What's wrong with my argument? If I'm mafia, why aren't the other mafia helping me? That builds a connection between the two players, so if they help you and you die and flip town, it makes them look scummy by comparison Alternatively, scum are pushing vel or myrz wagon to get us off of you | ||
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[g]How are ties decided, out of curiosity?[/g] | ||
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I'm a retard How are ties decided, out of curiosity? | ||
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a good strategy is to drop your entire post right before the night ends so that they don't have time to resend their actions | ||
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On September 06 2013 00:29 infii wrote: In my last bigger post I only focused on the guys with a low post count to get more information out of them, I don’t get why this was considered scummy... Unfortunately that didn’t work very well. Myrzeth even stated himself being a lurker. (wut?) I think I will be able to post a quick summary on my reads and my vote shortly before the day ends. For this approach I will analyse different cases instead of single people: Case 1 – First discussion about lynching Day 1 Coming soon/when I have the time Case 2 – Holyflare’s denial of posting reads early on The main post: Reactions from Umasi and my thoughts: + Show Spoiler + First reply: On September 04 2013 12:34 Umasi wrote: Alright holyflare. We've beaten the subject of no lynching to death, which ended in you backtracking You've told us that we shouldn't talk about town/scum reads day one You didn't reveal your scum or town reads. Why am I here again? What are we talking about? moreover didn't you have questions for me? Did you forget them/forget to ask them? Umasi is over reacting here imo. Ok you finished one discussion and you don’t think there are other topics which could be discussed apart from reads and thoughts? Instead you propose (indirectly) to speculate over subjective opinions for the next 40 hours? I don’t see that to be more productive or helpful for town. Holy’s defense: On September 04 2013 12:45 Holyflare wrote: Totally just responded to Bereft that's why it's 'backtracked' or if you're implying I've changed my stance, I haven't. I'd like you to see what I wrote, It's just telling people that no-lynching is an option and it should be used within this game. Also, I never said not to talk about scum reads, just how can you possibly formulate a case on somebody so quickly????? If you want to accuse someone of being scum why would you publicly announce it SO early with the offchance that they could 180 on their whole style of writing because you picked out their name. Why not keep it to yourself and formulate the case based on your initial suspicions and when it comes close to actually lynching someone you'd have substantial reasoning for a lynch rather than, 'oh his first post was scummy but then he became better'... As for questions towards you, I asked for you to elaborate first before I asked the questions but now you've mimicked other peoples responses because you were away so I don't need to ask the questions anymore. Next post: On September 04 2013 13:02 Umasi wrote: ended in you backtracking the fucking conversation, not you backtracking your stance on it. I guess I was unclear. let me phrase this differently and in a totally explicit manner Holyflare, why are you against discussion? You helped get it going in the beginning, but you sure aren't anymore. In fact, it could be said that you are against discussion from occuring. That is blatantly scum agenda. ##VOTE HOLYFLARE Umasi even increasing his aggression and going totally over board. Holy never been against discussion as we know he played a big part in the first one (see above). It looks like Umasi is desperately trying to find a reason to call Holy scummy and vote on him asap because if you read Holy’s root post and his defense it makes no sense to presume that Holy is against discussion. The discussion goes back and forth in the same manner as above until: On September 04 2013 14:23 Umasi wrote: ##UNVOTE HOLYFLARE Do you think what I did was bad play? you can go to bed and address this when you wake up/whenever you want, I'm going to do homework. tbth, this entire thing is pro-town since people will be able to talk about it, and it gives me more to go off of concerning you (and the people who comment about it), and possibly you more to go off of (regarding me and the people who comment), assuming you're town. If you're scum w.e. For everyone, just a psa about me I normally keep the person I think is the scummiest as my vote target, but since there are quite a few people I'm leery of, it rests on no one for now. Yes this discussion was pro town. But even though you try to phrase it in a positive way, this discussion sheds a scummy light on you Umasi because: - Your reasoning about it being pro town is weak - You could have explained your ‘vote behaviour’ beforehand to everyone. Now it just looks like an excuse - You didn’t apply your ‘vote behaviour’ in the last game we played together at all Reactions from Blurry and my thoughts: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 12:53 Blurry wrote: The reason you voice your suspicions is because it puts pressure on that person. When someone is under pressure they make mistakes and reveal things they shouldn't. Write about your hunches, it also allows us to see if you are innocent, and yes, when you are town you need to prove your innocence by providing good analysis and leading the discussion. First post addressing the topic in a considered manner. It is a valid point but applies more to after the first day than before, as holy mentioned shortly after. Later on: On September 04 2013 13:38 Blurry wrote: Two things: Scum read in retaliation to him questioning you is pretty suspicious. You aren't helping your case with that, especially because your analysis is flawed. Aggression at the start is in no way indicative of scum, and if anything, is more a town indicator than anything, especially when he is leading the charge against a player. It is really risky for scum to be so direct because it draws so much attention to them. Umasi is probably my biggest town read for that reason right now. He is right on that point. However I consider his aggression fake (see above why). In that case it would mean the exact opposite, which puts also the relation of Blurry and Umasi in question. Is he defending him? Or is he just voicing his opinion? Case 3 – The LV slipup Coming soon/ when I have the time Damn I’m running out of time here and won’t be able to finish it until I have to leave. So instead I’ll just post it unfinished and add the other cases on a later time when I can afford to write it. :/ I have the overall feeling that we are town led by scum because of the chaotic back and forth of discussions, random accusations and fake aggressiveness. Everyone needs to focus on the facts at hand and not let himself be guided by lurish arguments. it's strange, because he finger of suspicions me, and gives a broad statement about what scum are doing this game, but then doesn't push the matter, which isn't that big of a deal, but when he throws all that out for On September 06 2013 06:34 infii wrote: Yes Ray's last case looks so omg-scummy that I'm tempted to vote him. But I will vote for myrz. Yes he could be town but he is not cooperative or doesn't want to contribute anything. Though my strongest point on him is, that he is not even willing to change his behaviour. That is why he will be totally useless in the future. There are about 30mins left and I have not seen any analysis from him so fuck that. ##vote myRZeth he sticks his vote on a shitty lurker. My biggest question is why he puts it on myrz just 'cuz? in that post, he specifically says that rays post looks 'so omg-scummy' and then votes for myrz. It feels like he approved of the ray wagon, but didn't want to be associated with it, since I think the reasoning for voting myrz 'because he's useless' is extremely ridiculous. moreover, his opening post is just a greeting. he claims vt (and he can feel free to friggen do so), but the entire thing just skipped by the conversation at hand (which was about lynching vs no-lynching) On September 04 2013 23:36 infii wrote: I would also love to see more participation from the people with the lower post counts (of course including me), so I did dive a bit into the filters. heavenz: Considering the fact that the discussion about yes/no-lynch on D1 was already going on for about 1 hour at the time you posted this, why did you go ahead and claim it to be 'a bit of a discussion starter' with your second post? myrzeth: Yup... we need to hear more from you merzeth. What is your opinion on lynching the most inactive player on Day1? Pharcyd: His only post, though he stated before that he would have plenty of time to keep up with the thread. So why not also contribute to the discussion? Chairman Ray: Took part in the early discussion about Day1 lynch with 2 posts saying the exact same thing. Also I disagree a bit with you here, because you don't have to actually execute the lynch to get people talking. A lynch threat is more than enough. Don’t you think lynching a less active townmember early on is a loss? Because they could still improve on Day 2 for example. Ok basically everyone listed above should step up and contribute to the discussion. You can start by answering my questions. On another note: Don’t you think the effect of a lynch threat will be reduced when you always have someone voted? If you want other players to know who you are targetting just write it in this thread for everyone to see. This is just talking about lurkers. We don't need people to point out fucking lurkers for us, we're all aware of their presence :| I'm not sure if I addressed his final point though;keeping the scummiest person voted just let's people know what I'm thinking at the time, so I tend to throw it on and off a lot. Basically, I'm just wondering why infii has contributed jack this entire game, aside from being visibly suspicious of me and then discarding that all when a shitty lurker pops up and makes himself lynchable. I wouldn't rule out infii/myrz as scum together (although it's pretty unlikely), but atm I definitely prefer an Infii lynch for these reasons. Regarding Lonemeow, people have made good points about him and his constant questioning, and it does feel like he's just trying to keep people off his back, but this may be a product of his injury? idk. at least he's present. myrz is obviously a shitty lurker, lynch them alllll, and I voiced my thoughts on heavenz earlier, they're still the same. Preferred lynch order is infii>myrz>lonemeow>heavenz>others | ||
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##VOTE INFII nothing has changed. | ||
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I'm around if anyone wants to talk to me | ||
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