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On August 24 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 15:22 FirmTofu wrote:
The way I see it:
1) Koshi is SAM and claims SAM
OR
2) Koshi is scum and claims SAM
BOTH are unlikely. There is no realize reason to claim in both scenarios, so it is clear that Koshi made a bad play. However, I do not think the play was alignment indicative. Bad town play is synonymous with bad scum play in that neither alignment want to be doing it. If you can explain to me why scum Koshi would claim SAM, I may consider your theory. To give him protection against red checks. 3 scum GF goon framer, framer claims SAM and frames goon every night you habe complete protection from red checks on every scum player.
I can see that happening, but I still don't think it's as likely as Koshi being idiot town. We can look into a Koshi lynch if rayn doesn't get shot tonight. I'm not totally against lynching him.
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On August 24 2013 15:31 mkfuba07 wrote:
@FT: Why is situation 1 unlikely?
@Onegu: Don't you find it incredibly dangerous to fakeclaim a named role, which is typically claimed immediately if it exists, before everyone in the game has even posted? Any of the remaining people could have been the actual SAM. And if he was going to fakeclaim in that situation, then why wait to claim instead of doing it earlier?
Koshi claiming SAM as an SAM is clearly stupid. Why claim when there is absolutely no net gain to town with your claim? You draw attention to yourself. You risk being counter-claimed. People like Onegu will accuse you of scum because this is a potential scum play. etc..
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Alright Onegu, I see where you are coming from. I think I didn't see it earlier because I had Koshi labelled as stupid town due to his meta.
Do you think Koshi is a better lynch than Yamato?
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@mkfuba
I don't like the fact that you're content watching everyone argue while you ask a few questions here and there from the sidelines. The apathy is strong with you. Care to jump into the action?
What are your thoughts on the Rayn/Koshi situation? Who do you think is our best lynch for Day 2?
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On August 24 2013 15:47 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 15:34 FirmTofu wrote:On August 24 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:On August 24 2013 15:22 FirmTofu wrote:
The way I see it:
1) Koshi is SAM and claims SAM
OR
2) Koshi is scum and claims SAM
BOTH are unlikely. There is no realize reason to claim in both scenarios, so it is clear that Koshi made a bad play. However, I do not think the play was alignment indicative. Bad town play is synonymous with bad scum play in that neither alignment want to be doing it. If you can explain to me why scum Koshi would claim SAM, I may consider your theory. To give him protection against red checks. 3 scum GF goon framer, framer claims SAM and frames goon every night you habe complete protection from red checks on every scum player. I can see that happening, but I still don't think it's as likely as Koshi being idiot town. We can look into a Koshi lynch if rayn doesn't get shot tonight. I'm not totally against lynching him. I dont want to lynch him, if you think it is most likely he is town why would you be okmwith his lynch. While I believe rayne is town also, how koshi made his check makes me believe he is SAM, so it is much more important to shoot rayne because he has nothing to say he isnt scum while koshi does and we cant just leave a red check.
I was null on koshi, not most likely town. I agree that rayn should be shot, but in the event that he isn't shot, who is your top lynch target?
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On August 24 2013 15:48 mkfuba07 wrote:
@FT: First of all, if you're SAM and someone counter-claims you, then they're scum. You've just gotten a 1-for-1 trade (at worst). Pretty good deal. Second, if you are town and know that you will show red to cop checks, you should tell town that. It avoids the really shitty situation where someone checks you, you come up red, and THEN claim SAM. I've actually never been in a game where someone has said it doesn't make sense to claim when you're SAM, so I'm really confused as to why that idea seems so prevalent this game.
So you're saying Koshi is probably town? I'm only saying that Koshi is equally likely to be scum or town. I don't think people understand where I stand on the issue.
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I really hope we have a vig in this game, otherwise this Koshi/rayn thing is going clog up discussion for Day 2.
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I'm gonna get some sleep. I think my reads are pretty transparent so far so make sure you read my filter if I die. I'm pretty sure I've nailed at least 3/4 scum.
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Hey guys. I just got back from a crazy day long party. I just caught up to the thread. Rayns claim was clearly not meant to be taken seriously. He claimed to test reactions from various people. Scum rayn is very unlikely to take that risk. Rayn is totes town now.
I really don't see that interaction as particularly condemning of Yamato. I see Yamato as scum more due to his general scummy attitude and the parallels I can draw between his play today and his play in his previous scum games. The similarity is striking enough to justify a lynch for sure.
That being said, I think sn0 man is being unfairly ignored by town during this day. This kid hasn't posted anything of value for a while and was the counter-wagon to the WoS mislynch. Think back to Sicilian if you can. Sno man is the new sloosh.
Ill be back tomorrow but I'm voting snoman for now. Pressure him. Force him to provide reads. Then lynch his scummy ass.
##vote: sn0_man
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Sn0_man is mafia. Onegu isn't.
I retract all previous accusations of Onegu. Onegu is playing far too differently than his scum games to be scum. Scum Onegu is aggressive and hot-headed. Most of his cases are OMGUS. This game he voluntarily pursued me. He initiate confrontation and pursued it to such an extent that it made him a viable alternative lynch to Yamato. Scum Onegu never plays like this. Scum Onegu doesn't take these kinds of risks.
Sn0_man is totes scum. I cannot believe how much he has gotten away with since he survived the lynch. Scum clearly shifted the tide of WoS/Sn0 wagons. The fact that the wagons were so close is a testament to this fact. Sn0 has been tunneled on a handful of people the entire game. He hasn't bothered to provide reads on anyone else and has been content watching the game from the sidelines making baseless accusation towards rayn and koshi(probably a bus) the whole game.
The , his only post today was a wasted vote towards rayn who is next to impossible to lynch right now. He hasn't done JACK SHIT the entire game and we are gonna lose because no one is fucking realizing this fact.
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Onegu, who is your next best read if I you knew I was town? Make yourself useful.
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Sorry I was pretty much unavailable this weekend. Weekends are generally worse for me because I spend most of my time with family and friends I will be back in full force in 8 hours. You can count on that.
Rayn, get your demoralized ass out of the fucking gutter and start playing the game. I don't want deadweight dragging us down.
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On August 26 2013 16:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu and FT, vote for Rainbows.
I'm voting my strongest scum read and that is snoman. Either you convince me otherwise or you vote for snoman yourself.
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On August 26 2013 17:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we actually lynch him?
Yes. I think there only 4 votes on Onegu.
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On August 26 2013 17:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If we all vote for Sno, we need at least 2 of yamato/kush/johnny to vote for him. If sno comes back he will switch to Onegu, then we need 3 of hose guys... I don't think that's gonna be possible.
Do we need less for a rainbows lynch?
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Ok nvm ignore my last post. I'm stupid.
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Meh, ill dive his filter. :/
I want to lynch sno...
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Ok I caught something suspicious in rainbows filter. He voted sn0 very briefly then invited to something stupid that kush said. The unvote wasn't really justified based on his stated beliefs. Looks a lot like a bus.
Also, rainbows has been looking rather diffident since fuba became confirmedish town vig. Looks like he's shooting in the dark, not really doing anything of value to town. I can lynch him. He's definitely a better lynch than Onegu.
##vote: Rainbows
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Invited->unvoted
Stupid autocorrect
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Are scum controlling the thread right now? Why are people not even discussing the flip?
Rayn flipped suspicious citizen. Rayn is SAME with Koshi, so Koshi is either scum or SAM. The NK narrows down a ton of possibilities.
So this begs the question, why was rayn killed? Plenty of people were suspicious of rayn; namely Vayne, sn0, and Koshi. Rayn's death revealed a ton of information that town can use to figure out this game. Rayn kill does NOT make sense based on the information we have at hand.
The only remaining possibility is if rayn was pushing a lynch on scum. Enter Sn0. Towards the end of the previous day, Sn0 was being heavily pressured by Rayn. Rayn vowed to push a lynch on Sn0, and lo and behold, he dies at night. Sn0 has been obvious scum the entire game and no one is pressuring him like they should be except Rayn and I.
If we can't consolidate our votes on Sn0, we lose.
##vote: Sn0_man
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