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FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 06:59 GMT
#1423
ebwop
Actualo=post

I have no idea how that happened.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 07:12 GMT
#1431
In the interest of consolidation, I'm going to vote WoS.
##vote: waveofshadow
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 07:17 GMT
#1432
Jonny, would you be willing to vote for snoman?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 07:34 GMT
#1441
On August 23 2013 16:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
PS scum r happy to "consolidate" on either me or wos since we r both mislynches but they can't wholesale swap cuz it would give away the game hence tofu's shit u just caught.

How could you possibly know if WoS is town or scum? You sound like you know hes town and you know this is a mislynch. Congratulations, you just won back my vote.

##vote: sno_man
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 08:05 GMT
#1451
I'm going to bed. I think rayn will be around before the deadline so he can decide who to lynch. Both candidates look good, snodude looks better. Goodnight all.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 18:13 GMT
#1645
I'm going to run through a list of possibilities of what could have happened regarding the rayn/koshi situation.

What we know:
1) Rayn and Koshi returned SAME from a confirmed parity cop.
2) Koshi claims self-aware miller.

Scenario 1: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 2: Rayn is miller. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 3: Rayn is town. Koshi is scum. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 4: Rayn is scum. Koshi is SAM.

What we need to be doing now is evaluating the probability of each of these respective outcomes and deciding whether a lynch into one of these two players will yield scum.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 18:16 GMT
#1647
Personally, I think we should vig rayn and pursue a lynch on an alternative target for Day 2. This will be a lot more constructive for us in the long run because the rayn issue will be essentially resolved and will leave room for discussion about other things.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 18:17 GMT
#1649
Oh, I forgot scenarios where Koshi is framed. Let me make a new post.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 18:17 GMT
#1651
On August 24 2013 03:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
EBWOP I was talking to oats still

@FT: they could both just be scum no framing involved.

Yeah that too. I'll add that in.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 18:20 GMT
#1654
Revised Outcomes

What we know:
1) Rayn and Koshi returned SAME from a confirmed parity cop.
2) Koshi claims self-aware miller.

Scenario 1: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 2: Rayn is non-SAM miller. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 3: Rayn is town. Koshi is scum. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 4: Rayn is scum. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 5: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Koshi is framed.
Scenario 6: Rayn is scum. Koshi is scum.

Did I miss anything?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 18:21 GMT
#1655
On August 24 2013 03:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
PPS rayn godfather is also possible lets not leave those out.

oh shit, I forgot about that role. ><
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 18:26 GMT
#1658
Revised Outcomes 2.0

What we know:
1) Rayn and Koshi returned SAME from a confirmed parity cop.
2) Koshi claims self-aware miller.

Scenario 1: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 2: Rayn is non-SAM miller. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 3: Rayn is town. Koshi is scum. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 4: Rayn is scum. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 5: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Koshi is framed.
Scenario 6: Rayn is scum. Koshi is scum.
Scenario 7: Rayn is non-SAM miller. Koshi is scum.
Scenario 8: Rayn is GF. Koshi is SAM. Koshi is framed.
Did I miss anything?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 18:31 GMT
#1664
On August 24 2013 03:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
well TL.net trims out extra spaces apparently.

Isn't it obvious that at least rayn is scum out of this?

Er, actually rayn could be a town miller not self aware and Koshi could be scum didn't think of that. Seems unlikely.

No, I don't think this makes rayn scum. If anything, it proves that the parity check was essentially useless because there are so many possibilities with immeasurable probabilities.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 18:37 GMT
#1668
My conclusion is that we should ignore the parity check and proceed with the game like it never happened. Let's get back to scumhunting instead of wasting our time with this nonsense.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 18:38 GMT
#1670
On August 24 2013 03:36 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:31 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
well TL.net trims out extra spaces apparently.

Isn't it obvious that at least rayn is scum out of this?

Er, actually rayn could be a town miller not self aware and Koshi could be scum didn't think of that. Seems unlikely.

No, I don't think this makes rayn scum. If anything, it proves that the parity check was essentially useless because there are so many possibilities with immeasurable probabilities.

Oh hey, the conclusion that I pretty much came to when this started!

Well, I just got here bro. I'm still processing the flip.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 23 2013 18:44 GMT
#1675
I'm starting to feel a Rainbows/Sn0_man/Yamato/Onegu scum team.

Yamato, Onegu, and Rainbows are all trying to fake interest. Their apathy shines through their posts as clear as day. Sn0_man is playing illogically and is pushing rayn for no reason. He's been scummy throughout the game. I wouldn't mind lynching any of these folks.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 24 2013 05:59 GMT
#1745
On August 24 2013 14:57 Onegu wrote:
So Im in the hospital now so this will be brief, I should be out tomorrow but not sure.

So the two biggest things that stuck out to me. Im not really up for a yamato lynch. Have to go over his filter again but why wouldnt we lynch the other scummy person in sn0?

Second we need to take a closer look at firmtofu there are a few reasons for this.
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:37 FirmTofu wrote:
My conclusion is that we should ignore the parity check and proceed with the game like it never happened. Let's get back to scumhunting instead of wasting our time with this nonsense.


This post is a big reason, why would you ever ignore a red check? If we just ignore it there will always talk about it, or it will come back, makeing a even bigger waste of time. He should be vig shot or lynched otherwise town atmosphre will be completely destroyed. My scum games I am very active vayne made a post about its so much easier to play when you know everything. Firm knows this.

Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 13:51 Crazometer wrote:
I agree with the sentiment that Rayns parity check is inconclusive however I wouldn't go as far as tofu suggested and discard it completely. Perhaps the other cop, should they exist, will be able to work some magic for us tonight to figure that all out. I'm curious as to what other people think the chances of the SAM claim being accurate are? I'll look through his filter now and try to produce a number.

Otherwise, sn0 and vayne are probably the most suspicious to me. The pointed out sn0 attitude flip (against other threads) just doesn't feel right, he seems to bounce around from high to low spirited too much as well. Something about Vayne doesn't smell right either so I'll look through his filter and see if anything pops up but I'll probably get what I search for.


I like this post alot makes me feel better about crazy.

Anyway my pain meds are kicking in. So Im out for now.



This is the scummiest post I've ever read.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 24 2013 06:04 GMT
#1746
Onegu, the "red check" isn't a red check. It's a "same check". When we have no idea about either Rayn or Koshi's alignment, it is presumptuous to assume that either of them are scum. The only correct course of action is to request a vig shot on one of them so we can determine the alignment of the other. I have already asked for this. The fact that you are unable to reason through this is deeply troubling.

Furthermore, what exactly in that post made "you feel better about Crazy"? Please explain, because there is nothing redeeming about Crazy's post.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 24 2013 06:16 GMT
#1748
On August 24 2013 15:13 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 15:04 FirmTofu wrote:
Onegu, the "red check" isn't a red check. It's a "same check". When we have no idea about either Rayn or Koshi's alignment, it is presumptuous to assume that either of them are scum. The only correct course of action is to request a vig shot on one of them so we can determine the alignment of the other. I have already asked for this. The fact that you are unable to reason through this is deeply troubling.

Furthermore, what exactly in that post made "you feel better about Crazy"? Please explain, because there is nothing redeeming about Crazy's post.


Right so you think town would claim SAM? So unless you think town would claim SAM its the exact same as a red check. And crazy post I liked because it called your post out, gave his thoughts which I thought townie, and while I want him to scum hunt and follow up on that post it made me feel townie from him.

Of course, town could claim SAM. You think scum is more likely to claim SAM than town? Why?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 24 2013 06:22 GMT
#1751
The way I see it:
1) Koshi is SAM and claims SAM
OR
2) Koshi is scum and claims SAM

BOTH are unlikely. There is no realize reason to claim in both scenarios, so it is clear that Koshi made a bad play. However, I do not think the play was alignment indicative. Bad town play is synonymous with bad scum play in that neither alignment want to be doing it. If you can explain to me why scum Koshi would claim SAM, I may consider your theory.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
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