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FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 21 2013 20:12 GMT
#820
On August 22 2013 05:10 Koshi wrote:
^ you haven't said why you find the Snowman scummy.
+
That veteran list is silly.

Everytime I make a case, everyone just skims over it and nothing comes of it. I'm trying a new approach this time. asses your current base beliefs and then reach a logical conclusion while incorporating the NK.

Let me know if you have trouble following the logic or if there are any holes in it.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 21 2013 20:15 GMT
#823
On August 22 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think geript is scum for two reasons. I did not like his push on Crazometer at all. The reasons were not good and it seemed like he was trying to swing the discussion off WoS (he did not comment on WoS stuff at all at first). When i said later on i think geript is scum he instantly started yelling me "i know i am lurky as scum, but now i have been busy". Over-defensive, i never even said why i think he is scum.

I would like to remind you that association cases don't amount to much. Try not to base your case on him on the fact that he is associated to WoS. Remember how that logic turned out in Titanic?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 21 2013 20:38 GMT
#828
Instead of sitting on the sidelines and attacking me with baseless accusations, how bout you start playing the game kush?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 21 2013 20:39 GMT
#830
On August 22 2013 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 05:15 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 22 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think geript is scum for two reasons. I did not like his push on Crazometer at all. The reasons were not good and it seemed like he was trying to swing the discussion off WoS (he did not comment on WoS stuff at all at first). When i said later on i think geript is scum he instantly started yelling me "i know i am lurky as scum, but now i have been busy". Over-defensive, i never even said why i think he is scum.

I would like to remind you that association cases don't amount to much. Try not to base your case on him on the fact that he is associated to WoS. Remember how that logic turned out in Titanic?

Nonono. It's not an association case. It does not matter what alignment WoS is. geript as town does not know WoS' alignment. He does not look / comment on the case on WoS in any way. Instead he points out another suspect with reasons i find to be weak.

The correct way to play as town is to tell what do you think of the case, point out if something is wrong in it, so that townies do not look at the wrong places. Or agree with it if you do. Add something if you have something to add.

geript does none of it, he just let's the case go unnoticed.

Fair enough, I can see that.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 21 2013 23:52 GMT
#870
WoS, why are you voting Crazometer when you have a case on rayn that you have never retracted from?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 22 2013 00:06 GMT
#888
On August 22 2013 08:55 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 08:52 FirmTofu wrote:
WoS, why are you voting Crazometer when you have a case on rayn that you have never retracted from?

Only he did retract it... >_>

Umm...no he didn't. I've read his filter and there is no retraction of the scum read on rayn anywhere between these two posts:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521&currentpage=35#687
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521&currentpage=42#832
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 22 2013 19:18 GMT
#1129
On August 23 2013 00:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
Did I miss something or was *nobody* roleblocked N0?

That seems important...

This is what Sn0 has to says right after afking for nearly 2 irl days. He wants to draw attention to the fact that no one has claimed roleblocked. Why would anyone want to draw attention to something so inconsequential?

Possible Explanation: Sn0 is scum and he deliberately didn't roleblock N0 in order to get town to think that there is no roleblocker.

Possible Motivation: Sn0 wants to roleblock someone N1 so that that person looks bad Day 2 when they claim that they were roleblocked. Town will ask said claimer how it is possible that he was roleblocked when there was no one roleblocked on N0. Because no one has brought it up throughout Day 1, he wins free town cred by pointing it out and simultaneously leading town into a pointless conversation.

Yes, I admit a large part of this is speculation. However, if Sn0 is actually scum, I think this is exactly what they were planning.

On August 23 2013 02:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 02:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
On August 23 2013 02:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
My favourite part was how Vayne's tactic this game is to instantly attack and vote for anybody who so much as mentions him in a negative manner.


Yea we already know, you posted that in your last post. less repetitive ad hom attacks would be great.

Why as town would you do that then when you know how I'm going to react? how is that pro-town at all?

How is it remotely acceptable or town motivated to say "I'm untouchable anybody who attacks me is scum"? Thats easily a scum-favoured atmosphere to create. There was no ad-hominem, I'm commenting on the terribleness of your play.
Scum-hunting, in fact. Something you MAY wish to attempt (you haven't started yet I notice). K maybe now there is ad-hom.

Isn't that exactly what you are doing? You're attacking Vayne and me because we are attacking you. You haven't been actually scumhunting at all this game. You just attacked a few random people in the beginning of the game to provide the illusion of scumhunting, then you afked to allow the thread to fester. Once a few people caught on to your bullshit, you de-lurk and attack the people who attacked you.

##vote: Sn0_man

I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 22 2013 19:26 GMT
#1132
I'm just posting what's going through my mind right now. I think this is the most probable scenario.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 22 2013 19:32 GMT
#1136
On August 23 2013 04:31 kushm4sta wrote:
I think we should lynch FT today actually. Anyone want to with me?

##unvote
##vote FT

You wanna provide some reasoning? Do you disagree with what I said?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 22 2013 19:38 GMT
#1140
On August 23 2013 04:34 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:32 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 23 2013 04:31 kushm4sta wrote:
I think we should lynch FT today actually. Anyone want to with me?

##unvote
##vote FT

You wanna provide some reasoning? Do you disagree with what I said?


you think scum didn't roleblock someone on purpose just so sno could say "no roleblockers lol?'
why would scum do that

I explained that.

Scum didn't roleblock N0 so that they could roleblock N1. If they roleblock N1, the person who is roleblocked will appear scummy because no one was roleblocked N0. Scum was playing at driving discussion on Day 2 about roleblocks to divert attention away from them.

Regardless, how does this "conspiracy theory" make me scummy? Care to explain?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 22 2013 19:40 GMT
#1141
Sn0, I'm curious as to why you aren't voting me right now. Do you still think Vayne is scummier than me?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 22 2013 19:41 GMT
#1142
On August 23 2013 04:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would totally lynch FT

You've been saying this for a while now. I don't really understand why you've never made the move to actually vote me. If you find me scummy, why aren't you pushing your reads? Why aren't you pressuring me?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 22 2013 19:47 GMT
#1146
On August 23 2013 04:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:38 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 23 2013 04:34 kushm4sta wrote:
On August 23 2013 04:32 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 23 2013 04:31 kushm4sta wrote:
I think we should lynch FT today actually. Anyone want to with me?

##unvote
##vote FT

You wanna provide some reasoning? Do you disagree with what I said?


you think scum didn't roleblock someone on purpose just so sno could say "no roleblockers lol?'
why would scum do that

I explained that.

Scum didn't roleblock N0 so that they could roleblock N1. If they roleblock N1, the person who is roleblocked will appear scummy because no one was roleblocked N0. Scum was playing at driving discussion on Day 2 about roleblocks to divert attention away from them.

Regardless, how does this "conspiracy theory" make me scummy? Care to explain?

Why would scum fake a rb claim when there wasnt 1 day 1 FT? Your explanation tries really hard to paint Snodude as scummy. But its bridge too far.


My intention was not really to paint Sno_man as scummy. I was literally posting stuff that I was thinking. As town, I like to be as transparent as possible. If I'm thinking something, I usually post it.

I understand you think my theory is unlikely, but can you explain how:
FirmTofu posts an unlikely theory=> FirmTofu is scum
?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 22 2013 19:48 GMT
#1147
We should be talking about sn0_dude, not me. This is such a waste of time.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 22 2013 19:55 GMT
#1154
On August 23 2013 04:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
FT posts an unlikely theory that happens to paint his top scumread as scum. Sadly that theory is bullshit. Scum post bullshit.
Somemore bullshit is the reason you voted for Snodude.
like what the fuck is this shit?
Show nested quote +
You just attacked a few random people in the beginning of the game to provide the illusion of scumhunting, then you afked to allow the thread to fester. Once a few people caught on to your bullshit, you de-lurk and attack the people who attacked you.

Its all speculation. You are providing shitty reasons that snodude is scum for his gameplay. scum cant find good reasons because they know they are attacking town. Your reasons are shit.
Shit reasons+speculation that is totally wrong+not attacking someone who fits your apparent view of scummy play to a tee.
Show nested quote +
Once a few people caught on to your bullshit, you de-lurk and attack the people who attacked you.

isnt this what vayne is doing?

I'm not sure how any of that is speculation. That is exactly what Sn0_man has been doing all game. Read his filter. Sn0, can you respond to my earlier post that you conveniently ignored the entire game?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 22 2013 19:59 GMT
#1156
@Sno Please respond to this.
On August 21 2013 10:39 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 06:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
Not that I haven't flung my share of shit at a decent variety of players this game, but if we take a look at rayns filter he has called the following people scum:
Me,
Geript,
WoS,
Rainbows,
Oats,
On August 21 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah its all WoS didnt answer me.
and then you referenced it with another game where he was town and said why his non-answering made him scum.
Thats all.

no it's not. you are probably mafia.-

and DP
On August 20 2013 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy fuck, is DP scum aswell?


In other words, every person who has posted anything worth mentioning except Koshi. Pressuring a variety of people is fine but rayn has already demonstrated an incredible level of certainty regarding the scumminess of at least WoS/Me/Rainbows and the others were pretty strong language for a while as well.

I just currently don't see rayn being helpful to town. I see him bidding for dominance in the thread in a way that doesn't seem conducive to success in an N0 start if he believed what he was saying as well. And I see him doing a lot of "Oh yeah X is totally scum" without justifying it at all (the only time he ever justified an opinion was on WoS). It doesn't fit to me, right now.

Still waiting on more people to seriously contribute to thread.

I just caught this post. Sno, could you explain how rayn being accusatory and aggressive makes him scum? It looks like you are simply trying to discredit him here.You don't seem to be pushing for his lynch, but you want everyone to ignore him. Why would a townie want this when he isn't in rayn's crosshairs? What town motivation do you have to discredit rayn when he isn't even attacking you?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 22 2013 20:01 GMT
#1159
On August 23 2013 05:00 Koshi wrote:
Why are people outraged by FT his insane theory while the insane theory of the Snowman was ignored? (that rayn and I are scum because we failed a play in the thread because I didn't read the scum QT)

Because I'm town and scum are piling up on me.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 22 2013 20:03 GMT
#1163
If I die, everyone needs to listen to rayn/vayne/koshi.

They are the only people who are capable of figuring this game out. I unfortunately have to go to work. I'll be back in 5-6 hours. I sincerely hope you all will come to your senses by then.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 22 2013 22:32 GMT
#1225
I'm reading on my phone. At work ATM.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 22 2013 22:37 GMT
#1227
On August 23 2013 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You will be able to play GMM III at work?

Isn't that game starting in a day or 2?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
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