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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 08 2013 18:20 GMT
#3739
On September 09 2013 03:18 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 03:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
On September 09 2013 03:10 HiroPro wrote:
I don't really understand why people think rayn is town just because he claimed a pokemon trainer.


Well, pokemon are clearly dying? If someone other than rayn knew anything about it AND THEY WERE TOWN they would have come forward by now. So they are scum, which makes rayn town?

Unless you think rayn is playing pokemon trainer with himself?


Or how about he's a scum pokemon trainer when there is no other pokemon trainer in the game? Maybe a pokemon faints every time he uses an ability? Who says there is a good and a bad pokemon trainer?


I don't see rayn doing the whole act of "omg other pokemon guy if you are town stop attacking" and then a cycle lates goes "other pokemon guy is definitely scum" if he is in fact not doing pokemon stuff with an opponent of some kind.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 08 2013 18:30 GMT
#3742
On September 09 2013 03:26 HiroPro wrote:
Clarity... like just think about it for a second.

If you're mafia, you know that at some point sooner or later, there's going to be a massclaim with this type of setup. If you're given a role by which you can "confirm your role" without actually providing any real proof, why would you not take that opportunity?


I'm not excluding the possibility it just seems pretty farfetched. The way rayn handled the whole pokemon thing seems really weird coming from scum. It wasn't like *a fakeclaim post* he went on and on and on about it.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 08 2013 18:46 GMT
#3753
So... zentor scumclaimed I guess?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 08 2013 19:06 GMT
#3771
On September 09 2013 03:59 MrZentor wrote:
In case anybody is wondering, I am Link, the Hero of Time!

I have three main abilities.

1) Every night I randomly gain a kp, repeat the current cycle, become roleblocked, become a veteran for one cycle, or learn a random role name. I also have a chance of getting the opposite effect.

2) I can, once per game, ask for any item or ability.

3) Roleblock everybody in the game for one night.

+ Show Spoiler +
._.


What happened to finding out rolenames that DONT exist, like you were describing in closed casket?
You also said "accidentally roleblocked myself" and now you're saying it's random?

So much inconsistency.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 08 2013 19:09 GMT
#3776
What is the opposite of becoming a veteran, dying?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 08 2013 19:10 GMT
#3778
No use trying to scumhunt in zentor's direction anyway. Like Axle I'm waiting to hear from randombum.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 08 2013 19:11 GMT
#3780
On September 09 2013 04:10 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 04:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
What is the opposite of becoming a veteran, dying?


Not becoming a veteran?


That's not what opposite means. Whatever I don't care.
Opposite of "spoon" is not "not spoon"
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 08 2013 23:44 GMT
#3856
Not impressed by your timely rayn scumread, randombum. You got any other reads?

Will think about the rayn stuff more tomorrow but I still doubt that scum rayn jumps through so many hoops with the pokemon stuff. He was/is playing is desert and since that has slowed down he's been more active here. He's also agreed with me which I always give people towncred for.

If he's playing against the hosts or whatever, why even bring it up as scum?
There is no situation where rayn is playing against another townie because he clearly tried to get him and the "other" trainer to stop fighting. Town v town also makes no sense since the other townie would have claimed by now?
Like again stutters telling us things from BM that no one can confirm? The other person should just come forward and we'll lynch the scummier of the two and if we're wrong we'll lynch the other one?
So that leaves either:
1) rayn is lying and is the only person with pokemon
2) rayn is telling the truth and one of the two pokemon guys is scum.

1 seems unlikely due to rayn talking about it so much. Therefore 2.
And any counterclaim to rayn this late... is likely scum. So stutters should just spit it out.

I'm off to bed.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 08 2013 23:50 GMT
#3858
That's basically what I said, wasn't it?
Anyway, bed now.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 09:41 GMT
#3916
So it comes down to. You did stuff to stutters (which you did to me n1, so I believe you), stutters realizes it's pokemon flavor...
So stutters immediately comes to the conclusions that you're the other trainer rayn is talking about and decides to NOT reveal you and blow up the thread instead? Well that was great.

I still wanna lynch randombum over rayn.

On September 08 2013 10:05 Stutters695 wrote:
The BM cop confirmed his sanity last night so unless you think the previous checks are people who might have dt immune roles, they're town.


At a glance it also appears risen is telling the truth and he isn't Yi. Need to think on that though


Did we ever get a check result from so called cop last night btw?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 10:04 GMT
#3918
I don't recall you mentioning randombum at any point even though he's been up for lynch twice now. What do you think of his lynch?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 10:46 GMT
#3919
>.<
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 13:11 GMT
#3927
Damnit I had a post typed up and went to the bathroom, came back and hit refresh without thinking. Ugh.
You guys get the tl;dr version.

Cakepie I'm curious. First of, did you think the randombum was serious at the time and you realized it wasn't when people started talking about nolynching, or did you always think it wasn't serious?
Secondly, is this the first time you've read up on randombum, seeing as you said you wanted to get it right and you took your time?

Also, since you don't seem confident in a randombum lynch, who would you lynch instead, and why haven't you pushed the lynch of that person yet?


About WoS... He's kinda been a question mark but he definitely hasn't pushed a scum agenda and I can't help but relate to him being busy irl, which I very much doubt he is lying about.
I was surprised that when I opened his filter that it was 11 pages though, it doesn't feel like WoS has had much of an impact in this game past day 1.

The one thing that really stood out to me was this post in response to Axle:
On September 09 2013 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright finally back.
Axle, I know how you play and I am in no mood to be tunneled into infinity by you if I don't answer your questions exactly the way you want them. I'm telling you right now I'll answer your shit once, and if it's not how you like it, too bad.
I've been out of this game for too long and I'd really like to get back into it, and defending myself from shit that I'm honestly going to have to look into my own fucking filter to find answers to because it was like 2 weeks ago is not scumhunting.


Is there some sort of history here? Because I don't feel Axle has tunneled anyone this game. In fact, Axle has been really slow to draw conclusions which I actually give him towncred for. He seems willing to listen to arguments and tries to make slow deliberate decisions.

So where is WoS coming from, when it comes to this post, if anyone can answer that?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 13:13 GMT
#3928
relate is the wrong word, sympathize.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 13:26 GMT
#3932
On September 09 2013 22:20 Stutters695 wrote:
I'll be here on and off all day trying to figure out who I want lynched so I can answer questions/clear stuff up.
First: I learned Cakepie was Prof Oats last night. He got role copped last night by Yi. No grand conspiracy. Saying what I did was to see reactions.

Second: It seems like a near certainty scum have an insider in BM so revealing this will only help since I expect to die anyway tomorrow night. This is based on Risen being shot. I announced in BM that I was attempting to check Risen immediately after his claim to verify my sanity. Coupled with another thing I can't reveal without giving away the mechanic it seems pretty likely there is a scum.

I am Doctor Kliner. I'm a list based cop with two conditional OTU checks in addition to the normal one dictated by list positions. I haven't used either OTU yet, but won't say more on that until they're burned because I don't want scum to plan around it. Obviously I'm asking for protection tonight (without an attached RB)to at least use my most powerful check. If I'm perm-RBd now it still frees others to use their roles.


?

Also do you believe that despite cakepie having a pokemon role that he's not the other pokemon dude? You seemed pretty certain in your earlier post.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 13:28 GMT
#3934
Stutters did you not expect to die last night, then? I'm having trouble following you.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 13:39 GMT
#3939
On September 09 2013 22:36 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 22:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
Cakepie I'm curious. First of, did you think the randombum was serious at the time and you realized it wasn't when people started talking about nolynching, or did you always think it wasn't serious?
Secondly, is this the first time you've read up on randombum, seeing as you said you wanted to get it right and you took your time?


1. I assume you mean "the randombum wagon" -- I didn't think it was very serious at all. Cheesecake was the only one to have an actual case. No one tried to sell any reasoning to anyone else. I think maybe only Hiro actually fingered randombum in this thread before they went over to casket?

2. Yes, randombum really only popped onto my radar around when the pokemon stuff blew up.


Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 22:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
Also, since you don't seem confident in a randombum lynch, who would you lynch instead, and why haven't you pushed the lynch of that person yet?


I've been warming up to the idea of WoS, because of some of the things Axle already brought up, the MasterYi hunting, and you can see I really didn't like this most recent bit of behavior. I don't see BM hunting as a town move.

But uh looks like a lot of ninja going on here. I've been waiting to hear from stutters or austin (holds some important cards, conspicuously still absent after 38+ hours...) Let me read this new stuff and see if I need to rethink anything.


BM hunting can easily be a town move. Koshi was town and he could only win with town if BM were dead.
I guess I'll do a more indepth read on WoS though.

WoS, could you explain the post of yours that I quoted about Axle tunneling?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 14:26 GMT
#3959
Stutters where art thou? Why you do this to us? Just disappear like that.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 15:01 GMT
#3973
On September 09 2013 23:53 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm at work dawg. doing what I can on a smoke break then more to come when we're slow.

First, I don't think Cakepie is the other trainer. I'd expect Oak to be a 3p or town who interacts in some way with the battles.


I didn't expect to die, but if I did it was relatively inconsequential because there was no way Onegu and I were both dying and on flip it would have been obvious I was talking about myself. With the near confirmation of scum in black mesa and Onegu dying this is the perfect time to claim because I'm dead without protection and I lost my synergy which was the only reason I withheld using my OTUs.

On September 09 2013 06:40 Stutters695 wrote:
So who all is down for lynching Rayn? I know the other pokemon role and I think they're way more likely town.


Man....
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 15:09 GMT
#3976
Like, okay, cakepie claimed. So Stutters you're saying you believed cakepie to be the other pokemon trainer (you knew his rolename was oak) and more townie than rayn, therefore rayn scum. Then cakepie claims to be Oak (as you knew) and it changes your read on rayn?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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