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On September 23 2013 17:48 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote:
koshi.
how the fudge can u still be doubting.
man up and interrogate me. Dunno why you buddy up with rayn so much. The guy can't make 2 posts without naming me once. It's truly dumb.
I don't think I have buddied rayn, because neither of us have gone out of our way to work with each other.
I freely admit he is a town read. in fact, he is my strongest town read. dare I say, confirmed town.
is this why u voted me... an omgus via rayn?
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On September 23 2013 17:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 11:48 Chairman Ray wrote:Well, here's my goodbye post. I suck so bad at mafia. This is kinda discouraging  . Looks like I'm gonna be needing quite a bit of coaching post game. My plan was basically to seem a bit nooby/scummy at the start and avoid giving too much reads, but I played it terribly and became actually nooby and scummy near the end, and didn't have any reads prepped when I needed them. Was planning on revealing my blue as a last resort, but time kicked in and I didn't get a chance to count the votes. Sorry guys! I'm a terrible blue player . fuck me why would you EVER try to play like this. less said about the hosting the better tbh
actually... if u re read his second post, he crumbed his cop role.
it was so blatant, I never took it as a crumb.
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BTW koshi.
at a micro level, I think rayn hasn't been satisfied with you...BECAUSE he holds your expected level of play to a higher degree than the rest of us.
a lot of his points are based on knowing you can be better, in my opinion.
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Marv.. I detect issues between u and risen in the scum qt, no?
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actually, my read on rayn has nothing to do with the koshi push.
that's alignment null.. in my opinion he could push u like that as town or scum.
I don't care if u think my play I'd bad. its co pletely different playing day1 to replacing in.
when u replace, u can instantly analyse the thread.
being here day1 means I have to generate convo... man, I wanted yo lurk this game, but after the shitfight, someone had to step up.
if it wasn't clear, my first post with seals was written before joining the game.
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BTW, with your list.
I full out disagree with coat as a shot, rayn and oo as well.
risen is a good one but.
ft, I'm up in the air... his posting has a Zen like feel to it. dunno what to make of that alignment wise though.
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sentinel is a great vig shot to
that guy went from policy lynching ?kush to policy lynching umasi.
useless
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On September 23 2013 18:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 18:24 Mocsta wrote:
actually, my read on rayn has nothing to do with the koshi push.
that's alignment null.. in my opinion he could push u like that as town or scum.
I don't care if u think my play I'd bad. its co pletely different playing day1 to replacing in.
when u replace, u can instantly analyse the thread.
being here day1 means I have to generate convo... man, I wanted yo lurk this game, but after the shitfight, someone had to step up.
if it wasn't clear, my first post with seals was written before joining the game. Dont understand why you think that rayn is 100% town if his 70 post towards me are total null. People like yamato, those are 100% town.
Because, the push itself is null.. he could easily tunnel you relentlessly as either alignment (just like myself).
Rayn is town for a couple reasons; i dont need to outline them all, but the one that is pertinent here is that he has continuously tried to alter his approach to get people to understand his pov.
i haven't played with a scum that does this yet
scum tunnel is.. here is my info... scream im right.. if the scum player is good, they will update the case as the thread continues.
rayn is proactively trying to find out why his case isnt getting traction and then making adjustments to correct that.. thats fuckn townie.. regadless of whether teh case is wrong or right...
He obviously beleives in his case, and you havent given him an answer yet that has satisfied him..
As i alluded to before, i believe it is because he holds you to a higher content standard than the rest of the thread.
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On September 23 2013 19:01 Koshi wrote:
Ok new list on who you want to doc:
Yamato
DP
BH
marv (ok, maybe I am a bit butthurt about the bad lynch, so you can be on Koshi doclist as well, it's a true honor.)
Final answer. Last list. yay!
Wtf is blahzinghand on there for....
and fuck u too koshi
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Marv, cant remember.
Do you have thoughts on Zaragon?
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On September 23 2013 19:14 marvellosity wrote:
Not very exciting ones. He's not on my shitlist atm anyway.
Can i have a full preview of ya shitlist then.
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On September 23 2013 19:19 marvellosity wrote:
Current shitlist is Firm/Pandain/Stutters/Risen/LM/(Vayne)
Yeah, like thers suspect ppl in that list for sure.
BUT .. 5 to 6 ppl replaced in.. Are you suggesting it is likely they are all town?
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On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Finally got some decent reads. :D
Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation.
As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them.
We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term.
Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots.
Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned.
You forgot to add yourself.
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On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote:
Finally got some decent reads. :D
[spoiler]
Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation.
As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them.
We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term.
Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots.
Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used.
Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned.[/spoiler[ Don't care about vig situation.
Reads....
fuck me, you have some balls FT
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On September 23 2013 19:27 FirmTofu wrote:
I would actually place myself in the category right before that one, but I can see why you might think that.
Are you fucking mocking me... the mocsta?
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On September 23 2013 21:49 DarthPunk wrote:
God I am sick of yamato. He is constantly a dick to me over the course of several games and voice mafia. Seriously I am just about done playing at this point.
This is said with absolute impartiality
Yamato is a complete dick on voice -> cutting off everyone etc; and in the thread loves to make posts as if he should be playing on 2+2 as a champion.
We know its coming, just gotta accept it sometimes.
As for you, his points are fair. Theres been quite a few things that you have take exceptional, potentionally unreasonable ire to.
In short: you have become a whinging pom (no offense marv).
I have a town read on both of you.
Yam because he actually seems to give two fucks this game, whether right or wrong.
DP cos a lot of the stuff he is saying, resonates with my thoughts (whether shared in the thread or not).
So please kiss and make up.
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On September 23 2013 22:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 23 2013 22:34 marvellosity wrote:
It's funny, because I'd say the players who played in Desert should be the ones with decent townreads on me by now. Why exactly? Because my play is pretty dissimilar, the way I've asked questions and gone about things is quite different. People in Desert *just saw* my mafia play.
Yeah.. dunno.. thats a very simplied thing to say.
In reality, you were on a scum team filled with 2 lurkers and yourself.
FACT: Thats demotivating.
I understand that the champions game would have a much bigger pull to produce effort, but the quality of your play there I think is quite clearly >>> the play in this game.
I dont have a hard lean on you; so the above is just my musings.
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On September 23 2013 23:20 Koshi wrote:
As for the scumreads that you want me to give.
Mocsta selfclaimed voice of reasoning hasn't been around last couple of hours, should be good hour for aussies. Bad feeling about him. Not sure. Its D1. Depends if he picks shit up.
Wat the fuck is this shit?
Cos I have a life outside mafia, im scum? Pick fucking what up?
Man, i dont think you are mafia; and i still dotn think rayn is mafia.
Im sick of you accusing me of being mafia. MAN THE FUCK UP, AND MAKE A CASE
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On September 23 2013 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
I'll tell you the oddest thing about Mocsta from my perspective.
He came into the thread with his Chairman case, and was really convinced by it, and upheld it repeatedly.
Then Wave expressed some kinda doubts and Mocsta is like "oh yeah, hmm" and just unvotes like that. Seems like he was pushed off it really easily given how absolutely convinced he sounded about it.
Yep. And did you think the panic from knowing there was only a short time to deadline was fake?
I ask, because I think the tell *IS* alignment indicative.
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On September 23 2013 23:51 Zaragon wrote:
Feels like Rayn is going to be stuck as scum for me after this vote. I already didn't like his play, and now it has gone from slightly scum to solidly scum.
Tofu is likely scum. Town is in a bad situation if he isn't, because that means mafia votes are diffused and less meaningful. But I'll assume town is in a good position, and he is. That makes my Mocsta town read go back up to solid.
The rest of the scum crowd is then probably distributed between Sentinel, Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Kush, Stutters, Cephiro, VE (my gut right now says Sentinel, Cheesecake, VE)
For now I'm willing to believe Marv, Geript and Yamato77 made mistakes for this vote. But Geript is not a town read for me anymore, I haven't liked his play all game so the town feel to his motivations is starting to feel tenuous
Mocsta's switching off Chairman Ray easily is not suspect to me from my read on him, but it's personality based
Oh and I'm finally getting any kind of read on Koshi, and it's slightly town.
Cephiro is one fucker I forgot about . Thnx.
Lastly, I dont understand your comment on me regarding Chair. If its personality based, surely I can do it as town or scum, no?
So is the lack of suspicion then founded on being a prior town read?
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