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On September 23 2013 07:15 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 07:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 07:00 yamato77 wrote:
Chairman Ray, not Rayn.
Yes, I think I can get him lynched. Oh, flerp. That makes a lot more sense. Yeah, you probably can get him lynched. I'm not sold on him being scum>bad town though. I'd probably lean towards him being bad town but I also have a bad track record of giving people the 'bad town' benefit of the doubt when they may not deserve it. I feel more strongly about Lonemeow being 'bad town' than Ray and Ray himself seems to be comfortable with his LM vote.... On September 23 2013 05:47 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 05:46 Mattchew wrote:
Yamato i voted you to see how angry you would get... I dont sense the fury in that post I'm intentionally not tilting this game. It's easier to do in forum mafia than in Voice. If you OMGUS and yell at your accusers, you become DP. What I really want to talk about is DP v FT because I'm still pretty bothered by many of DP's reactions this game. I am aware you're currently still leaning town on him but I wonder if you know what a mafia DP is capable of? I have never played in a game where DP was mafia. Generally even bad town don't continually make posts that effectively say nothing. I'm not leaning town on DP. I'm firmly null on him. My official stance is "not going to pursue any further because accusing him doesn't help his alignment become much clearer."
At what point will his alignment become clearer?
I'm not a fan of 'wait a few days and if they're still alive, lynch' because we're already going to have quite a few of those in this game. Have you played with a mafia DP before?
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On September 23 2013 07:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 07:00 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 06:56 ObviousOne wrote:
WoS who you want to talk about?
Town sentiment is irrelevant if you're town. I'm glad you think so but I've posted 4-5 things in this game that have gone completely ignored because they weren't 'current topics.' yamato I'm kind of surprised at Rayn/Mocsta being your top two. Do you think you can get either of them lynched today? Why are you surprised? yamato's pushes look better than I'm used to seeing from him on day 1 actually (sorry yam). I've found what he's written quite persuasive.
Because I thought it was Rayn, not Ray, and I didn't remember him attempting to push Rayn at all which is why I was asking if he thought he could get either lynched.
Marv I knwo you're a slow start kinda guy sometimes, but this game has been exceptionally slow for you thus far, it seems.
What geevs?
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On September 23 2013 07:24 marvellosity wrote:Here's something interesting guys. Remember I posted about this? Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 13:16 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2013 13:02 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 13:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2013 12:58 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i say this, you should listen to me. I am the king of unreasonable arguments... How is my argument unreasonable? He clearly used meta and then flat out denied it. tbh i read blabla than bölalalal then blalansaös. Seemed like a shitfest for nothing. Wanna lynch Koshi btw? Not particularly. Although you are the Koshi master. What is it about him that you don't like? Koshi is devolving in this game. Look at his last town games (in chronological order). Compare them to this game and GoT. Wasn't he town in Persona 4? Can't really tell the difference. But if you are really confident in your read of koshi I will back you later. Well, rayn was confident later, and DP didn't back him.
Was he reminded of this since?
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On September 23 2013 07:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 07:26 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 07:24 marvellosity wrote:Here's something interesting guys. Remember I posted about this? On September 21 2013 13:16 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2013 13:02 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 13:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2013 12:58 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i say this, you should listen to me. I am the king of unreasonable arguments... How is my argument unreasonable? He clearly used meta and then flat out denied it. tbh i read blabla than bölalalal then blalansaös. Seemed like a shitfest for nothing. Wanna lynch Koshi btw? Not particularly. Although you are the Koshi master. What is it about him that you don't like? Koshi is devolving in this game. Look at his last town games (in chronological order). Compare them to this game and GoT. Wasn't he town in Persona 4? Can't really tell the difference. But if you are really confident in your read of koshi I will back you later. Well, rayn was confident later, and DP didn't back him. Was he reminded of this since? No. Should he have to be reminded of what he said?
Sometimes. I've forgotten shit like that before.
Koshi says that apparently DP looked into him and didn't want to vote him though so apparently he didn't necessarily forget?
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On September 23 2013 07:33 marvellosity wrote:Yes Koshi, I did find that post, I'm not an idiot  It's a really weird reason for defending you by the way.
I remember that post, and I actually thought it was a good reason. What struck you as weird about it?
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On September 23 2013 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
Btw, I'm not sure what I make of DP read-wise, and I highly, highly doubt I'd push for his lynch today, so I'm not sure how productive it is to talk about it now, especially as he's not here to explain it himself.
Well as we're nearing deadline, who do you think the topics of conversation should be?
LM/Ray? Anyone else?
I wouldn't be surprised if it comes down to those two and they both end up simply being newbie town, and I don't feel good about that.
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On September 23 2013 07:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something. By the way, this is total bullshit. Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 05:11 LoneMeow wrote:On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote:
I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which. Still can't really tell which, though if I had to choose I'd pick Umasi. Both being scum is also possible but I don't consider that super likely right now. ##Vote: Umasi This is the only time (as town) LoneMeow has ever mentioned Umasi. "Notoriously biased" based on this? Really?!
He's probably talking about their newbie game interaction, marv.
Come on, it's not rocket science.
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On September 23 2013 08:01 Koshi wrote:
@yamato77: Well, his first post was a really easy way for scum to enter the thread. Say some stuff about himself mainly that his reads are bad and that you shouldn't pay too much attention to him. Ending with being open for questions if there are any.
@rayn: WoS made a big ass post about secret taktics and it reminded me of his sekret tactics in Persona.
@marv: I am here, reading everything. I don't know what to do.
@JAT: Yes, I play different this time. I think it is because it is a big game now. I don't remember what I did right in Aperture that I am not doing now, probably activity.
I didn't have any sekret taktiks in Persona, I just played like ass.
I wasn't particularly secretive about my poking in this game either; fairly sure DP knew exactly what I was doing.
That's kinda weak meta stuff.
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On September 23 2013 08:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 07:51 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something. By the way, this is total bullshit. On June 11 2013 05:11 LoneMeow wrote:On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote:
I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which. Still can't really tell which, though if I had to choose I'd pick Umasi. Both being scum is also possible but I don't consider that super likely right now. ##Vote: Umasi This is the only time (as town) LoneMeow has ever mentioned Umasi. "Notoriously biased" based on this? Really?! He's probably talking about their newbie game interaction, marv. Come on, it's not rocket science. Read what I wrote again, learn to read, then respond again. Thanks Wave. Hint: check the timestamp of the 2nd quote.
Do you mean it is literally the only time LM EVER mentioned Umasi? I assumed you meant in this game.
Don't condescend to me marv. It's unbecoming.
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On September 23 2013 08:16 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 13:15 Mattchew wrote:
I am not allowed to read into wave's confidence right cause apparently he is always on fucks given level -100? Oh yah, this is why. There's no way to really know how many fucks a player gives unless you know his alignment. This just seems like a really weird statement from a town perspective as a 1 of in the middle of things.
No, he's basing this on our VOICE MAFIA games, in which it was explained to him that I give zero fucks as any alignment. I have stated that I don't find a great deal of correlation between VOICE MAFIA play and forum mafia play though aside from certain cases though (kush), but I don't think Mattchew knows my stance on that. I do remember reading this and thinking, 'Wait, is he really reading me based on the two VM games we played together?'
I tend to give more fucks in forum mafia though the more I play, the fewer fucks I give.
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On September 23 2013 08:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 08:10 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 08:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 07:51 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something. By the way, this is total bullshit. On June 11 2013 05:11 LoneMeow wrote:On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote:
I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which. Still can't really tell which, though if I had to choose I'd pick Umasi. Both being scum is also possible but I don't consider that super likely right now. ##Vote: Umasi This is the only time (as town) LoneMeow has ever mentioned Umasi. "Notoriously biased" based on this? Really?! He's probably talking about their newbie game interaction, marv. Come on, it's not rocket science. Read what I wrote again, learn to read, then respond again. Thanks Wave. Hint: check the timestamp of the 2nd quote. Do you mean it is literally the only time LM EVER mentioned Umasi? I assumed you meant in this game. Don't condescend to me marv. It's unbecoming. I won't condescend if you don't assume I'm being an ass when I'm not known for being dumb like that  Yes, I mean it's literally the only time ever. Lone has played two towngames, of which Umasi was in one, and that quote (and the nested one inside it) were the only times he mentioned Umasi. And the mentions were "i kinda think maybe he's scum or maybe this other player, i guess umasi is mafia". Do you understand now why I have my eyebrows massively raised at his contention that he's massively biased against Umasi?
I do , and he should probably explain that---it may have something to do with the fact that Umasi (I THINK it was Umasi) had at that point only played scum in all of his newbie games or something, and that was ingrained into his reads of Umasi somehow?
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On September 23 2013 08:14 geript wrote:
Ok I'm back. I've been keeping up reading but not much else.
People I think are town for various reasons:
Koshi
Mocsta
Yamato
Marv
Rayn
People I'm happy to see lynched
DarthPunk--Obv scum
Tofu--hella weird game, I'm leaning towards scum over super butthurt
Vayne--GTFO 2 posts not even attempting to play the game. If I were a host I'd modkill him and ask for a ban for not even trying to play
WoS--I don't see him really taking any sort of responsibility in this game and that's something I associate with his town play and something I caught onto in his last game (3P) I'd be happy with a lynch there. Plus, he hasn't been bitching about the complete lurkage or really trying to push me either direction. Would shoot after DP.
Complete Lurker List
Xzavier
Cephiro
Zenatsu
gumshoe
Onegu
I'm betting that there's 2-3 scum in this list so the "safe lynch" would be among these guys as I'm mostly ok with everyone's posting.
People I want to see more out of:
Pandain--Just crazy shit left and right; feels like he's disinterested which makes far more sense from a scum perspective right now
Chairman--All I see is a mental struggle in what/how to post but that's something I expect. Need more thought process.
Lol I'm impressed---I've actually been holding back regarding lurker bitching this game because people tend to call me out for it for dumbass reasons. Suffice it to say I'm still plenty pissed we're going to have like 5 modkills, but outside of those the lurk isn't THAT bad. If you look through my filter though I did make a post on what I feel should be done with lurkers.
Why is DP obvscum, G-ript?
And since DP refused to do it, do you mind looking at my analysis of FT's first post and telling me what you think?
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On September 23 2013 08:21 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 08:16 geript wrote:On September 22 2013 13:15 Mattchew wrote:
I am not allowed to read into wave's confidence right cause apparently he is always on fucks given level -100? Oh yah, this is why. There's no way to really know how many fucks a player gives unless you know his alignment. This just seems like a really weird statement from a town perspective as a 1 of in the middle of things. No, he's basing this on our VOICE MAFIA games, in which it was explained to him that I give zero fucks as any alignment. I have stated that I don't find a great deal of correlation between VOICE MAFIA play and forum mafia play though aside from certain cases though (kush), but I don't think Mattchew knows my stance on that. I do remember reading this and thinking, 'Wait, is he really reading me based on the two VM games we played together?' I tend to give more fucks in forum mafia though the more I play, the fewer fucks I give. Not in my opinion. How I see it is like me you care but don't want to.
Can you rewrite that so it's understandable by someone who isn't living in your head?
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On September 23 2013 08:26 yamato77 wrote:
Marv, how do you feel about hanging an asshole aussie?
You know, for the record DP comes across to me as much more of an asshole this game than Mocsta.
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On September 23 2013 08:28 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 08:26 yamato77 wrote:
Marv, how do you feel about hanging an asshole aussie? You know, for the record DP comes across to me as much more of an asshole this game than Mocsta. You've already established that you're not reading the game very closely, it's okay.
I have?
Please explain where. I don't enjoy being dismissed yamato.
I'm not going to sheep you just because you're in the 'whipping the town into a frenzy' stage of pushing a lynch.
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I'm going to assume VA ninja vote?
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On September 23 2013 08:44 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 08:21 geript wrote:On September 23 2013 08:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 08:16 geript wrote:On September 22 2013 13:15 Mattchew wrote:
I am not allowed to read into wave's confidence right cause apparently he is always on fucks given level -100? Oh yah, this is why. There's no way to really know how many fucks a player gives unless you know his alignment. This just seems like a really weird statement from a town perspective as a 1 of in the middle of things. No, he's basing this on our VOICE MAFIA games, in which it was explained to him that I give zero fucks as any alignment. I have stated that I don't find a great deal of correlation between VOICE MAFIA play and forum mafia play though aside from certain cases though (kush), but I don't think Mattchew knows my stance on that. I do remember reading this and thinking, 'Wait, is he really reading me based on the two VM games we played together?' I tend to give more fucks in forum mafia though the more I play, the fewer fucks I give. Not in my opinion. How I see it is like me you care but don't want to. Can you rewrite that so it's understandable by someone who isn't living in your head? It's pretty simple. I don't care about the games I play in, I just don't want to have to care about the games I play in. I think you're the same way.
No that's not true. It honestly depends on the game for me. This one I certainly do care about.
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On September 23 2013 08:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why is DP obvscum, G-ript?
And since DP refused to do it, do you mind looking at my analysis of FT's first post and telling me what you think? I've already explained that. I don't understand how anyone reads him as trying to move the game forward and there's lots of shit that he's been doing nothing with. All of the "town reads" on him make 0 sense to me whatsoever. Really though it's not a big issue because he's dead come D2 period. As for FT post, I didn't hate it. But I think FT is an awful player because he doesn't reassess any situation in the dynamics of how the game is playing out. For example when he refused to admit that fakeclaiming Det. was bad because it flat out allowed Onegu or Koshi or whoever to not be suspected as scum Vig. You need to reassess situations as it's moving forward and information comes out. The other problem with FT is that I think he's so awful that he can never ever de-tunnel under any situation. As for the caring thing. I'm a player who cares about winning and taking responsibility and shit; but I don't want to be a player to who cares / gives a fuck about the game. I want this to be fun and relaxing and most of the time it's neither. I think you're the same way.
You think FT is awful but you think DP is scum, so is he right?
And what about what Marv just said?
(and in regards to the 'gives-a-fuck'-ness, again, depends on the game. If you're basing it on Bluelightz then yeah, that game was shit, we both cared, didn't want to and it didn't matter. I would say for the most part though I do care about the outcome of a game and do try---I'm not sure where you get the fact that I don't. This isn't exactly topic/game-relevant in my opinion though so mabes we talk in postgame.)
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On September 23 2013 09:06 Koshi wrote:
marv, you work so slow. I need to know who to vote for so I can go to bed.
LoneMeow is still voting for himself. The guy must be depressed that he can't solve the game D1 or something.
Chairman Ray. Could vote him. But would be kinda cruel if he gets misslynched D1 twice in a row lol.
Mocsta: could vote. I have this urge to follow VA. Had it last time as well. Dnu what that is all about.
FT, Sentinel: meh.
Voting 0-posters is bad btw. Unless you got townreads on everybody it is only 1/5 scum. Also, there are plenty replacements. Good ones as well. I like the replacements way more than the people that will be replaced. On average. A lot.
Marv is working slowly because he doesn't want to be the primary pusher of a lynch today, it seems. Maybe so it becomes more difficult for people like you to simply sit back and sheep?
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