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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 17:53 GMT
#3469
Actually scratch that. I'm uncertain.

But I don't think it's worth pursuing at this time.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 17:56 GMT
#3470
On September 26 2013 02:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 12:50 Pandain wrote:
Day one Senteniel is like the definition of scum. His first post is a list without content but looks like content.

He's wishy washy-here

Then a contradiction/wishwass/simple scum.
On September 23 2013 07:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:56 yamato77 wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:45 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm basically rallying for Sentinel btw. He played more effectively when he was in 4 games at a time during Smurf.


5*

In which game was that? Smurf? I posted the bare minimum to keep up and piggybacked on other people's reads

And yet you looked town! I can't say that here.

That's like job #1, right?


Bullshit I looked town. I tunneled Eccleston, showed up only when someone knew I was missing, tried my hardest not to look suspicious, and the only reason I stayed alive as long as I did was because I defended myself decently well and nobody could pin anything on me.

That's also what I did in Roulette which I played concurrently IIRC, with Vayne swapped in for Eccleston

Lol fuck

Maybe you looked town because I knew you were town (as PT2.0). Let me get to my computer, do some reading. If not you, then who? Is it you vs Koshi and some Chairman Ray campaigners?


Well there's yamato but that's out of the question for you, right?

And then there's LoneMeow bandwagon, but I want to see LM defend himself/post reads before making judgment.

If you seriously think I am mafia, you need to explain yourself better than you have so far.


What I don't understand is how you easily rule out the possibility that Ray does truly have no idea what's going on, and the difficulty with coming up with arguments other than sheeping the easiest lynch is a symptom of that problem. Yes, it would be a scumread in a more experienced player, but looking at Ray's profile history he's come out of a newbie game recently. I don't get why you don't pursue your other reads more.

On September 23 2013 07:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:
On September 23 2013 07:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:56 yamato77 wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:45 ObviousOne wrote:
[quote]
And yet you looked town! I can't say that here.

That's like job #1, right?


Bullshit I looked town. I tunneled Eccleston, showed up only when someone knew I was missing, tried my hardest not to look suspicious, and the only reason I stayed alive as long as I did was because I defended myself decently well and nobody could pin anything on me.

That's also what I did in Roulette which I played concurrently IIRC, with Vayne swapped in for Eccleston

Lol fuck

Maybe you looked town because I knew you were town (as PT2.0). Let me get to my computer, do some reading. If not you, then who? Is it you vs Koshi and some Chairman Ray campaigners?


Well there's yamato but that's out of the question for you, right?

And then there's LoneMeow bandwagon, but I want to see LM defend himself/post reads before making judgment.

If you seriously think I am mafia, you need to explain yourself better than you have so far.


What I don't understand is how you easily rule out the possibility that Ray does truly have no idea what's going on, and the difficulty with coming up with arguments other than sheeping the easiest lynch is a symptom of that problem. Yes, it would be a scumread in a more experienced player, but looking at Ray's profile history he's come out of a newbie game recently. I don't get why you don't pursue your other reads more.

I think if you read his posts, he has a clear understanding of what's happening in the game.


I just read his entire filter and he looks exactly like a guy who's playing his second (second? can't be more than fourth since he was previously in a newbie, someone confirm this) game. I don't see what would make him scummy.

He sounds pretty sure of himself and like he already came to a conclusion

And then a sudden change after re-reading?
On September 23 2013 09:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
After reviewing Chairman's filter, I have to agree that something is up here. Maybe a little south of neutral in my eyes. Might it be a product of coaching in the newbie game and nothing in this one?


More importantly, this contradicts with what he writes in his explanation post:
And this is where I shifted into panic mode. I didn't have 3 hours, I had 30 minutes, and the votecount said I was going to die. I'd rather find a red player to lynch than get mislynched myself. So what do I do? I can't construct a persuasive case in 30 minutes, so might as well sheep someone who I think is scum. Cue me convincing myself through rereads of Chairman's filter that he's playing unusually restrictive, and with my previous defense of him ruled out with the Newbie filter, he must be red.

(##Vote Chairman Ray)

On September 23 2013 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm reading Ray's filter from newbie, he seems a lot more restricted here than there which is weird. Unless coaches were really on meth (holy shit I was coaching? nobody sent me any questions, I forgot all about it), I can't really say why he would regress in his ability to post substance.

Better than yamato I guess.

##Vote: Chairman Ray


Does not sound paniced. It's a possibility but I think it's weak, also FT was the other main guy who could be lynched.

But day two sentinel is so good, he's reasoned and makes sense. Simply because of his day two, I'm hesitant to lynch him. It's so town in my eyes.

What do you think of his D2 play Yamato?


Panda, my problem with this post is that you spend the entirety of it talking about how Sentinel looks / looked like scum, and then in the last sentence say he is probably town because his D2 is good. If you don't think he's scum, why bring up the reasons for him being scum again?


I was talking to Yamato. I was also unsure how to analyze a super scum d1 play with a super town d2 play, so I was sharing my analysis and looking for feedback. Yamato never responded.

I now think Sentinel simply played awful day one. Townies do that sometimes. His play has been pushing the thread forward and he has been analyzing and showing an interest to lynch scum.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 18:11 GMT
#3475
On September 26 2013 02:52 iamperfection wrote:
As in later panda bear man before the lynch right?

Sorry I missed this.
But no, I meant later. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to a lynch of him if he makes more posts which indicate alignment, however.

And what do you think of my Sentinel analysis?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 18:15 GMT
#3476
Rayn your posting honestly annoys me. I was going off of your recent post which says you don't think he's town.

You also said that if he played more passive you would look at him today. He is playing passive. What do you think of him now? And me giving a caveat isn't real good analysis. You think I wasn't accusing Stutters in that post? Really?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 18:21 GMT
#3478
Yamato since I know your town and I won't have much time to give an analysis, I'll give you this.

I think VE is scum. He has been lurking during day two despite being here. Hasn't been sharing opinions only agreeing disagreeing. Votes Matt with the bandwagon then unvotes. You and WoS were both suspicious of VE and commented that he's scum and both of you got shot.

I'll post more about it later but that's who I want to get lynched. Also Rayn is feeling really weak to me now. Still think Stutters is scum but I've found better targets.

What I need to do is contrast VE with his town/ scum play which I'll do later.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 18:27 GMT
#3480
I'll respond and point out your flaws after class
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 19:59 GMT
#3502
I don't think I'm actually going to respond to that Sentinel post because it's way too dumb.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 20:02 GMT
#3504
Let me know if anyone else finds it convincing and I'll easily rebut it.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 20:24 GMT
#3514
Rayn some questions while I write about you:

1. Why do you think I'm a better lynch than others. Please simply explain.

2. Who do you think is scum right now. If you can choose only 6.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 20:29 GMT
#3523
Rayne, I'll make a case.

1. You didn't stop spamming like you said you would pre-game. Of course if you hit scum, you would be likely to continue your previous play which is spam + rampant accusations. Indicates scum.

2. You ask too many questions and don't contribute enough. Most of your activity is actually questions.

Your case on Kush is too weak for me to find you completely genuine.
On September 22 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 23:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 22 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 23:41 DarthPunk wrote:
God damn rayn linking me 23 page koshi filter.

lol sorry, it was supposed to start from p1 at every game. :D

Oh, i get what you are saying. Don't read the whole filters obviously.
Read the first ~2-3 pages, that's where we are at atm.


Well If that is the case I feel like this game is more like his town game. In his town games he posted many one-liners. in his scum game his posts were generally a paragraph in length and he posted far fewer one liners than his town game or this game.

Look at how he interacts with people. Even in his one-liners the thoughts are clear and not wishy-washy at all.
It's easy to understand what he thinks and why, even when he does not give complete reasons for his thoughts.
It's nothing like this game. He does not follow any "game plan" in this game. His thought process is not clear and his reasons change after asked about them. If you want to have more insight of his meta, please read GoT scum QT (the first ~150 posts).
Here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/QABVbtFWtEj

Koshi did the same in Golden, you know this as well as I do.
On September 23 2013 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 03:53 Koshi wrote:
On September 23 2013 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 23 2013 03:48 Koshi wrote:
On September 23 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi are you making a case or asking people "can i lynch this guy"?
Also do you still think VA is scum?

1) I asked if it was similar. imo it is very similar. I will vote for the Stray Kitten, but I am looking into yamato atm. First opinion he is not scum.
2) I never thought VA is scum. You still don't get what I was trying to do?

On (2), no, i do not get it. Explain it to me please.

VA is proud about 2 things.
1) he always plays a different style.
2) he doesn't get misslynched as town.

Obviously he is doing 1) again, but by piling votes on him he is forced to give out stronger reads / break character to make sure 2) doesn't happen.
If he would have continued doing nothing he was probably scum.

So why did you not push more votes on him instead of giving up when someone disagrees with you?
You got Pandain to vote with you, why is it impossible for you to push your agenda if i disagree with you? That's not town!Koshi'y.


Looks like you're just trying to find something where there's not. Koshi's response was perfectly logical.

And you keep going and going, and I get the impression in your head that everything Koshi is doing hints scum to you. Then you suddenly switch and say he's not a good lynch unless he plays super passive, which he does and then you still don't do anything.
Koshi: Is not necessarily town, but definitely not worth to be discussed as a lynch tomorrow unless he goes back to passive-mode. N1 he has played a lot better than on D1, but i would not call him strong town.

"DEFINITELY NOT WORTH TO BE DISCUSSED"

On September 24 2013 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 02:59 Koshi wrote:
Rayn. I am not going to do anything on D2. Close to nothing.

Even if you are phone posting you will! I know you will if you are town! <3


But he didn't until like 10 hours before lynch. Why aren't you pushing him. This isn't the same mindset you had in Golden Sun or espoused before.

On September 25 2013 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can't understand Pandain, i just can't. Things he say make sense but then again they don't make sense. Ugh...
I have never played with him before so i have no idea what he does as town or scum. I think he is supposed to be a good player no? If he is, lynch.


This is a clear lie and only makes sense if you had a mindset to bullshit from the start. AKA indicates that you're posting rapidly and not thinking, but you were clearly confident enough to vote me.

All in all they're all small details except for the spamming and the questions, which you do in town anyway. I would include you as one of my scum reads but its not certain and I'm more confident in VE, and even note his recent throwaway bullshit vote. VE as an active player does not throw away bullshit votes without real explanation.

I will now quickly go and analyze VE.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 20:29 GMT
#3525
But you are definitely suspicious.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 20:33 GMT
#3530
On September 26 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 05:24 Pandain wrote:
Rayn some questions while I write about you:

1. Why do you think I'm a better lynch than others. Please simply explain.

2. Who do you think is scum right now. If you can choose only 6.

1. I am not sure if you are the best lynch candidate. Could you answer my post where i ask you about your stutters vote?
2. I am not going to choose any 6 people. That's stupid.


I assume you already realize that lynching me is dumb.
Your concern about my Stutters vote is that I'm not confident enough? Do I need to respond to that?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 20:36 GMT
#3533
It's not two cases, it's a series of inconsistencies and illogical posts which makes sense if that player is scum. They are not simply bad posts, they are inconsistent.

They are also inconsistent with your mindset, even disregarding Golden you've said your mindset several times this game.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 20:44 GMT
#3541
Quick reasons why VE is scum before I go to class:
1. Has been lurking day two but still clearly reading.
2. Tried to cast doubt on Yamato as confirmed town, why even do that.
3. Just accused JAT for "why you pick FT" and being incredulous at it. Despite this, VE has said that he thinks FT best option and he only switched because no one would talk to him. Why is he so surprised at JAT.
4. Hasn't really been pushing lynches, merely commenting, agreeing, or disagreeing
5. Yam and WoS both thought and said VE was scum before they got shot.
6.
On September 26 2013 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
I am also going to vote for LoneMeow. For the town.


g2g be back later plz vote VE I will help with the crusade
Bad random vote, doesn't comment on key issues going on which corresponds to my noting his inconspicious absense.

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 20:44 GMT
#3542
woops last two sentences are switched
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 21:09 GMT
#3561
Sorry, it was CC who gave an okay response
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 21:13 GMT
#3571
On September 26 2013 06:09 yamato77 wrote:
All Koshi has done this whole game is call Rayn mafia.

That's not true. He has done more.
Also note how much I care about this game cuz I'm still posting.

Someone please point out why VE response is inherently wrong
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 21:16 GMT
#3579
On September 26 2013 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv should i vote for ceph?

This is retarded

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 21:23 GMT
#3599
Why would VE vote for someone he doesn't think is best lynch. Also disagrees with how confident he feels on FT.

Almost like he's scum.

Does no one else see this?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 21:25 GMT
#3602
On September 26 2013 06:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
He has less than 1 page of content, like what do you want me to say?


Why did you give up on FT? You clearly thought he was scum.
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