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On September 21 2013 13:05 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 12:49 geript wrote:On September 21 2013 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 21 2013 12:45 geript wrote:On September 21 2013 11:43 geript wrote:
DarthPunk not being enough of an asshole. He's not town. So that's me saying I'm making a meta case. No DP is the only one who said shit about me making a meta case. Also. WoS needs to be lynched D2. Y You didn't say hi to me. Honestly, I did kind of want to do the usual thing but this thread is being shit up way too much as is. I'll wait for the other 3/4 of the game to show up and for things to calm down before I post for realz. You can't lynch me D2 if I die N1 btw. Jes' sayin'.
You won't die night one in this game.
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On September 21 2013 13:09 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 13:06 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 13:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 21 2013 12:49 geript wrote:On September 21 2013 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 21 2013 12:45 geript wrote:On September 21 2013 11:43 geript wrote:
DarthPunk not being enough of an asshole. He's not town. So that's me saying I'm making a meta case. No DP is the only one who said shit about me making a meta case. Also. WoS needs to be lynched D2. Y You didn't say hi to me. Honestly, I did kind of want to do the usual thing but this thread is being shit up way too much as is. I'll wait for the other 3/4 of the game to show up and for things to calm down before I post for realz. You can't lynch me D2 if I die N1 btw. Jes' sayin'. Can you please read the conversation between geript and myself and tell me your conclusions? Pretty Please? Must I? I don't really have much to say. Too much shit-flinging, too much high emotion for absolutely no reason. Like, I know I called you a curmudgeonly old sod, DP, but you are really fucking salty right now. Or acting it. Either way comes across the same. Clam down a little. Bum a fag off someone. If Geript is worth looking into he usually makes it pretty evident (IF HE PLAYS PROPERLY---I;m still kind of WTFing over your Aperture play). As for you, you're either dead tonight or scum, right? Why bother with you right now?
Explain to me how geript did not make a meta read. I don't care about the emotion or whatever. I care about the consistency of Geripts arguments. Please read and tell me how geripts statement was not a meta read. Because I clearly don't understand.
Oh and I was going to say you won;t get killed night one because there are a lot of good players in this game. But KP=3 so maybe you will. I don't find it particularly likely though.
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On September 21 2013 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 13:02 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 13:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2013 12:58 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i say this, you should listen to me. I am the king of unreasonable arguments... How is my argument unreasonable? He clearly used meta and then flat out denied it. tbh i read blabla than bölalalal then blalansaös. Seemed like a shitfest for nothing. Wanna lynch Koshi btw? Not particularly. Although you are the Koshi master. What is it about him that you don't like? Koshi is devolving in this game. Look at his last town games (in chronological order). Compare them to this game and GoT.
Wasn't he town in Persona 4? Can't really tell the difference. But if you are really confident in your read of koshi I will back you later.
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On September 21 2013 13:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't think DP is playing "stupidly emotionally" at all. There's not an excessive amount of shit-flinging going on. WoS might be scum guys. :/
What do you make of geript? Do you understand how his meta case was not a meta case?
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On September 21 2013 13:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 13:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't think DP is playing "stupidly emotionally" at all. There's not an excessive amount of shit-flinging going on. WoS might be scum guys. :/ VE u mak me sad. And yeah DP, Geript's points against you were meta-y even though he says they're not but why do you care? Does that make him scum? Why bother attacking him?
Because he is refusing to make a meta case when his case is meta. It doesn't feel right. And I attack bad/false arguments when they are accusing me so that they can't be used to lynch me. Obviously.
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On September 21 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Honestly DP I have a question for you.
Are you town?
If so, do you want to be killed N1?
Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.)
All of the above questions lead to these ones:
Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back?
If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses?
YEs
NO
NO
Because clearly trying to look useless as town doesn't work for me in not getting killed (persona 4) so I am trying to play the best I can and be clearly townie and scumhunt so that:
A) I can give town the best possible start if I do die.
B) potentially get medic protected
Also:
C) I feel like posting and scum hunting cause it's fun.
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On September 21 2013 13:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 13:22 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 13:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 21 2013 13:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't think DP is playing "stupidly emotionally" at all. There's not an excessive amount of shit-flinging going on. WoS might be scum guys. :/ VE u mak me sad. And yeah DP, Geript's points against you were meta-y even though he says they're not but why do you care? Does that make him scum? Why bother attacking him? Because he is refusing to make a meta case when his case is meta. It doesn't feel right. And I attack bad/false arguments when they are accusing me so that they can't be used to lynch me. Obviously. Why do you think Geript's 'case' is even remotely good enough to get you lynched? Especially in the first like HOUR of the game? I just don't understand---you really seem like you're overdoing it.
NO It doesn't matter how good the case is. If someone is going to call me scum stupidly I am going to smash them to pieces for it. I don't understand your problem with it. Maybe geript is scum and by pressuring him I reveal that. Maybe he is an idiot townie. If so I will reveal his argument to be worthless and therefore not even have a chance to get lynched/Vigged because of it.
And to be fair I stopped interacting with geript after not too much time. So I think you are overreacting.
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On September 21 2013 13:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 13:26 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Honestly DP I have a question for you.
Are you town?
If so, do you want to be killed N1?
Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.)
All of the above questions lead to these ones:
Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back?
If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses? YEs NO NO Because clearly trying to look useless as town doesn't work for me in not getting killed (persona 4) so I am trying to play the best I can and be clearly townie and scumhunt so that: A) I can give town the best possible start if I do die. B) potentially get medic protected Also: C) I feel like posting and scum hunting cause it's fun. This is also totally how you play as 3P survivor. Are you 3P DP?
There is no 3rd party in the game...
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On September 21 2013 13:52 Mocsta wrote:@Geript,
[]hr Stop being useless. Since this 30 player game (with no OP filter links) started; approximately 1/3 of the player base has posted. There is no one I want to lynch vehemently with the current information.
Who don't I like? DP and yourself are already on ignore. I dont care if scum or town, its just annoying to read and precisely why I prefer voice > thread currently.The two key people I don't like thus far are Kushmaster and Koshi. You didn't ask for reasoning, so i will comply with the request.
That is a bad attitude to have. If people don't want to read don't join in the first place. SMH. How you supposed to catch scum if you don't read the only real thing that has happened so far?
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On September 21 2013 14:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 13:57 DarthPunk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 21 2013 13:52 Mocsta wrote:@Geript,
[]hr Stop being useless. Since this 30 player game (with no OP filter links) started; approximately 1/3 of the player base has posted. There is no one I want to lynch vehemently with the current information.
Who don't I like? DP and yourself are already on ignore. I dont care if scum or town, its just annoying to read and precisely why I prefer voice > thread currently.The two key people I don't like thus far are Kushmaster and Koshi. You didn't ask for reasoning, so i will comply with the request. That is a bad attitude to have. If people don't want to read don't join in the first place. SMH. How you supposed to catch scum if you don't read the only real thing that has happened so far? Firstly, please TL;DR what this "real thing" is. Cos from a glance is looks like a squabble. Secondly, I have no qualms reading a game. I read 130 pages in 24hrs to catch up GoT. I have qualms reading bullshit. Please enlighten me why it isn't bullshit though.
Geript made a meta case on me. He then refused to explain it, or push it. And when he finally did he denied it was a meta case when it clearly was and changed his entire argument. Basically the problem is this: Is geript scummy for the way he approached the case and the way he presents clearly faulty logic hard and very confidently or is he town?
Basically. Can you empathise with geripts argument and see yourself as town being so utterly confident in a DP scum read 2 hours into the game based off one post and an irrational and Illogical argument?
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On September 21 2013 14:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
@DP
geript is by far the most suspicious person in the thread so far. It's possible he'd acting the way he's acting to get reactions or some such retardation, but unless he says as much and I believe him, I have to assume that he's not playing like a moron and that he's scummy for it.
He has no meta case. He has an observation that he's supposedly suspicious over for meta reasons. I don't care enough to go check out the game because I know from my own experiences with you that you're able to have an amicable opening regardless of your alignment. And the rest of what you've done (aside from saying you want me to tunnel a townie -.-) has read pretty town to me.
As it stands, I'm the most suspicious of geript of anyone who's posted.
I basically agree with you but I'm not sure Moron necessarily = scum. I'm also worried about Mocsta and Wave for basically refusing to comment on geript or read that part of the thread. They seem to dismiss it as a squabble and meaningless when it is, in fact, the opposite.
I'm not sure how I am supposed to take people seriously when they don't/refuse to properly read people's posts.
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On September 21 2013 14:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
And I'm not going to get in a pissing contest over whether Mocsta will read the game or not. It's not even about whether it's "bullshit" or not, it's information that's in the thread and he's flat out saying he's not interested in it. Just let it go, and we'll see what he's got to say when something's happened that's worthy of his fucking time.
ok then. ^_^
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You see the problem I have with all these town reads for getting into it with someone straight up is that I, as scum, would and have done that before. It is entirely a null tell.
People need to look at the actual argument and see if it is townie and whether Geript's thought process is a town process or a scum process.
Scum can easily just pick a fight day one. It is much harder for scum to actually provide a solid argument when picking that fight. Therefore, less weight should be placed on the action and more weight placed on the thought process of the argument.
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On September 21 2013 14:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 14:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
He didn't CHOOSE to be in the limelight is the thing Mocsta, he was trying to get ME to be in the limelight for him. That is DP's ENTIRE contention with geript, and you completely ignore that part of the equation by refusing to look at the posts yourself.
At first, geript was content to nudge me in that direction and then AFK. He literally said he was going to AFK until Sunday Mocsta, HE LITERALLY SAID THAT. But you wouldn't know because you're refusing to read the fucking game.
Now: I wasn't even going to entertain your defense of him Mocsta, but you're twisting things around here and it's being done in a very scummy way: you're reaching conclusions ADMITTEDLY without reading the thread. And you're trying to get people to look ELSEWHERE BASED ON IT, WITHOUT READING THE FUCKING THREAD.
Chrust Lets do this, bish. (1) DP in his TL;DR never spoke about you. Stop being a narcissist like DP.(2) So you are saying (whilst wearing your heart on the sleeve) that early Day1: it is expected for scum to be controversial and then just say, im fucking off?... Chrust (sic) back to you.. (3) Nice. If you are going to accuse me of "twisting things around here and it's being done in a very scummy way"; then at least explain it. This reads as an outright smear campaign. Justify this pl0x.
No VE picking up on geript trying to get VE to push me for him is THE KEY to reading geript IMO. And is the thing that changed my read on geript from idiot town to possible scum. I posted this already. But yeah, you didn't read the thread obviously.
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On September 21 2013 14:33 geript wrote:
Thought process does not ever catch me as scum. I will not move my vote period.
Is that because you don't think? HUE.
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I guess I'll respond to that case.
On September 21 2013 15:07 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 11:34 DarthPunk wrote:
So basically I agree with rayn, I want mocsta to tell us all he is policy voting Kush. This is an exceptionally passive way to tell Moc to do what he wants. It's an easy way to blend in and say nothing. It's like he's ordering a pizza, "I want a large with a side of Mocsta suggestions." Yes this is the type of thing that DP says at town numerous times in numerous games but additionally in those games this tends to come after a larger read or explanation or push. There's nothing important here whatsoever.
It was like my second post of the game and within minutes of the game starting. Not sure what kind of push or case or read you expect to precede my second post of the game.
On September 21 2013 15:07 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:
He did the same thing as town in The Game. Or something similar. I jumped all over his arse for it then and he ended up tunnelling me stupidly in response. I don't think it really means anything nor do I think it is alignment indicative. I just thought it would be funny to CC an early VE vote. Cause, you know, he would get all butthurt. Haha. I absolutely loathe the "Haha" here. It doesn't follow from a town sentiment. It isn't a natural progression from "CC an early VE" vote to "VE gets all butthurt" to "Haha." The natural progression is: "take action to piss off VE" to "VE gets all butthurt" to "VE overreacts and shows his alignment" to "Haha." There's no push here to try and do anything to get a read here. This is just further filler fluff.
Of course that part was fluff. That part was joking about VE getting butthurt from me Voting him early (i didn't BTW) Just jokes at the start of the game referencing the meta between VE and myself (tunnel and rage at each other often)
On September 21 2013 15:07 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 12:07 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 12:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote:
DarthPunk, did i understand you right?
You want me and VE tunnel each other? Why not? It would help me read you both, So kind of useful for me. Town fights can be incredibly useful. It's often quite easy to convince town to detunnel and have 2 confirmed town. DP knows this. DP's gotten in shitfests a bunch. What we see here is not that DP is willing to get into a shitfest to get a read, but that he wants to start outside shitfests. He wants to create room to hide in the middle.
You acknowledge that town fights are incredibly useful for town and that I know this. So how does not minding a shitfight between two players make me scum? After you state it is useful for TOWN.
On September 21 2013 15:07 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 12:19 DarthPunk wrote:
I mean they aren't like super solid or anything, but both are in the thread posting at the start of the game which is more often townies than not. A few meta things from rayn and I liked his questioning about tunnelling VE. VE seems pretty townie due to his butthurt and the way he identified something really scummy and not super obvious about the way geript was behaving which I liked. Obviously this is all subject to change but I think it is likely that VE and rayn are town.
Next, he's all over VE and Rayn both being town. I think he wants to make a doll that reads VE and Rayn are town and then marry it he's so enamored with the idea over and over and over. It's the comfort zone he falls into. I don't have a problem with that per se (although it's hella early to have 75% or better townreads so ridiculously early in the game when both look firmly null), it's that he's not thinking about that any further or pushing or prodding other people to find reads on them. He's not painting players green and moving on to re-look at them later to reaffirm or deny that read.
You realise that 75% thing was a joke right. That is why i laughed in the post you didn't quote as soon as I said it. It was referencing EGO mini and Hydra mini. It also happens to be the base chance that someone is town by default as roughly 3/4 of the players are town.
Regardless of the joke you didn't quote. Both Rayn and VE are Very solid town reads for me.
On September 21 2013 15:07 geript wrote: Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 12:14 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 12:05 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 21 2013 12:03 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 12:01 geript wrote:
VE. You're looking at the wrong post for why DP is scum. Please create some sort of case, which includes some sort of evidence. You mentioned meta so link some old games of mine. Until then go away plz. This is more like something I can agree with. The post you quoted here is extremely suspicious to me. He's trying to fabricate suspicion on you THROUGH me. Why not point to the post himself? Explain his own thoughts? I think this is really key when deciding if geript is town or scum. Like before you pointed this out VE I was basically assuming he was just bad town. But trying to push me THROUGH you is actually scummy rather than just bad. Not only does he do a generic +1 on me through VE, ironically, he can't even make up his mind on if I'm scum or if I'm town. I play however the fuck I want when I want how I want; but he's red on me and isn't willing to pressure me one of any number of available ways (directly by interaction, indirectly by amassing votes, etc.). He's fine with putting his toes in the water but not dive head in yet again. Scum. Straight up.
Firstly I am not sure if you are scum or just really bad as I said several times
Well I was asked to stop interacting with you by several people so I did so. It ceased to be productive and the info was in the thread. Of course I agreed with VE"s post. It was good and I explained why I thought so. The difference is you said absolutely nothing whilst prodding VE who was voting for me to go at me. Very, Very different.
You have said a lot but nothing actually useful and certainly nothing that makes me 'straight up scum'
I responded to your 'case' and frankly just responding gives it far more credit than it deserves.
I certainly won't respond again.
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On September 21 2013 16:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 14:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
And with that gents, I'm off to sleep. I expect I'll have a hefty amount of reading to do when I wake up, so as a favor to me if you're reading this before posting, joining the game late has lost you the right to do any early-game spam fun. You want to spam-fun? Do that shit as soon as the game starts. Shit has happened now, so please keep the discussion focused on relevant topics. Or don;t and draw my ire. Either way, there are several people in this game whose opinion on the geript stuff I want and I look forward to reading it.
Ninight guys. Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 15:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't care if you do or not. Anything else?
What are you trying to say? Seems like you are trying to bring up shit when you should know better. Almost everyone says they are going to bed and then get drawn back in sometimes. I think you know that. So what is the purpose of that post?
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God. As soon as I see Obvious I want to go after him. Super weird feeling. Maybe i'm still mad about Catch 22.
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What time did this start for US players?
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Im bored. Nothing is really happening. Where is Marvellosity? Doesn't Seem like him to afk from a recent game.
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