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On September 25 2013 12:20 yamato77 wrote: Can we please kill Sentinel? Maybe we can get it going. Going to read him again, a lot of his D2 posts made me think he's town. Since you'll respond to this anyway, I assume you also put forth an argument that I can read? If so, link? | ||
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He's wishy washy-here Then a contradiction/wishwass/simple scum. On September 23 2013 07:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: What I don't understand is how you easily rule out the possibility that Ray does truly have no idea what's going on, and the difficulty with coming up with arguments other than sheeping the easiest lynch is a symptom of that problem. Yes, it would be a scumread in a more experienced player, but looking at Ray's profile history he's come out of a newbie game recently. I don't get why you don't pursue your other reads more. On September 23 2013 07:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I just read his entire filter and he looks exactly like a guy who's playing his second (second? can't be more than fourth since he was previously in a newbie, someone confirm this) game. I don't see what would make him scummy. He sounds pretty sure of himself and like he already came to a conclusion And then a sudden change after re-reading? On September 23 2013 09:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: After reviewing Chairman's filter, I have to agree that something is up here. Maybe a little south of neutral in my eyes. Might it be a product of coaching in the newbie game and nothing in this one? More importantly, this contradicts with what he writes in his explanation post: And this is where I shifted into panic mode. I didn't have 3 hours, I had 30 minutes, and the votecount said I was going to die. I'd rather find a red player to lynch than get mislynched myself. So what do I do? I can't construct a persuasive case in 30 minutes, so might as well sheep someone who I think is scum. Cue me convincing myself through rereads of Chairman's filter that he's playing unusually restrictive, and with my previous defense of him ruled out with the Newbie filter, he must be red. (##Vote Chairman Ray) On September 23 2013 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm reading Ray's filter from newbie, he seems a lot more restricted here than there which is weird. Unless coaches were really on meth (holy shit I was coaching? nobody sent me any questions, I forgot all about it), I can't really say why he would regress in his ability to post substance. Better than yamato I guess. ##Vote: Chairman Ray Does not sound paniced. It's a possibility but I think it's weak, also FT was the other main guy who could be lynched. But day two sentinel is so good, he's reasoned and makes sense. Simply because of his day two, I'm hesitant to lynch him. It's so town in my eyes. What do you think of his D2 play Yamato? | ||
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Pushed thread forward, two analysis' on Firm and Lonemeow. | ||
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Has there ever been a game where scum instantly brought all attention to himself and with poor reasoning tried to tunnel one of the best players? | ||
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At the least it generates discussion about them, which is useful. On September 24 2013 11:44 Cephiro wrote: Well, it seems like the night didn't go that badly. Appareantly there's a vig shot that hit town, but on the happier side of life it seems like we had a successful doctor protection tonight. And no blues were hit. That said, we really need to lynch scum today. And since I'm still alive, I'm going to do my best to ensure that happens. Not too far from having read the whole thread properly either. Want to start seeing this, Ceph. | ||
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On September 25 2013 12:20 Pandain wrote: I disagree that Umasi is scum. He's playing exactly like his town game in Golden. He lurks until he has something to say, and then posts it. And I think his arguments make sense. The best way to analyze Umasi is going to be in-depth, to give him some credit I think he's going to end up becoming one of the best mafia players if he keeps at it, but he reveals alignment later on in the game. Keep an eye on him, but I definitely think he's town. He's also contributing more than others. Still really unsure on Mattchew. But I think it has merit. He has been posting stuff which isn't simply bad but also nonsensical or contradictory. Also confused why he didn't vote Stutters instead of Yam when 1.) unlikely for Yam to get lynched, especially if he doesn't push for it (thus what's the point), and 2.) Seems like his reasoning for Yam being scum is way worse. I think Firm is not a good lynch for today, but definitely a good possibility in the future. Playing like his town play in Golden, and best analysis of him will be later on. Doesn't post aggressively as either alignment early on. Hasn't been spamming and yet I don't qualify him as really lurking. Just waiting. | ||
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I would check Shutters, LM, Marv, Rayn, and Mattchew for likely scum. I rescind my past read on Zara for the moment, but would like to see more from him. | ||
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I'm probably going to vote and push for Stutters tomorrow as I think he's actually the best vote choice above Mattchew and Sentinel. Lack of real contribution contrasts with his previous town games. His posts are also bad/weak, such as this On September 23 2013 02:34 Stutters695 wrote: Part 2: Chairman Meow First, so it's absolutely clear Kush needs to die. He's my number one choice. But if you guys don't dig it today, these are my other choices: LoneMeow: The Mocsta/Pandain post is bad. He never explains the Mocsta bit. Considering he later says he never t called Pandain scum, it's a little ridiculous to never follow up on it. Additionally by not ever thinking that Pandain was scum he essentially has done no work except a "pressure"(in a very loose sense ) vote. Feels too safe and like he has no interest in the lynch, just appearing helpful enough for it not to be him. I also think there is a good chance Chairman is scum, but I'm sick so I want to lay down. I'll type him up later. Seems fake/forced. Also note the "this guy is best lynch BY FAR, but in case you guys don't think so, here are others!" I feel bad because he's probably genuinely sick so I don't know if I want to give him more time. | ||
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On September 25 2013 14:35 Mocsta wrote: Well.. give stutters more time.. there's 6 scum and he's sick. Btw. U want to know why sentinel is confirmed scum? He fucken stated he skimmed vers guide... Seriously.. lol.. talk about over compensation I'm pretty sure he did this as scum in smurf mini as well For some reason I feel this is poor reasoning. I'm going to sleep, however. Hopefully more discussion tomorrow. Definitely feel we can find someone better than Mattchew, that's my goal for tommorow. | ||
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On September 25 2013 14:40 Mocsta wrote: Would help if u explained why mattychew will flip town Instead of just Shitting over everyone that has laid a vote..mmmmk? We have gone beyond the point of counter wagon. Chew needs to be proved innocent first. Then counterwagon. Basically I think he's being lynched more for being bad then for being scum, and I would rather lynch someone based on analysis of being scum. | ||
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Maybe I'm being too conservative in compensating, however. He could flip scum. I'll think about it more in the morning. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Pandain is a decent lynch. His case on me D1 was very wrong and misconstrued many posts to paint me as suspicious. He has a case on Sentinel D1, and D2 he puts more suspicion on Sentinel then says he is hesitant to lynch him in the same post... He wants to kill Stutters too but I haven't see much of that. Stutters seemed pretty town to me at some point, I remember thinking "Stutters isn't being completely useless and bad, that's different, probably stepping it up as town". Ceph is just a lurker lynch, which is cool. I'll vote Pandain for great justice! ##Vote: Pandain This is a great misinterpetation of my post I was going over Sentinel more day 2 because Yamato was still wanting to lynch me. I shared my thoughts on the matter. He played extremely suspiciously day one but day two is extremely town-like and town-mindset. If you think my goal was to say he's scum, you're wrong. My conclusion was based on his play in day two, he is town. I assume his day one was simply atrocious. He also somewhat adequeately explained his Ray vote, which is one of the main reasons I was suspicious he's scum. I have found only one reason to be suspicious of his play after the first day, which I explained in my post. People say I have not been pushing anybody. This is clearly wrong. I pushed Sentinel day one, you guys simply didn't listen and I had to work on studies. All my posts have a purpose, in either seeing how someone reacts or seeing if they are actually having reasons for what they do. Or sometimes just help thread. AKA Gertrip vote. My marv vote was along the same lines, but worse. I was hoping to generate discussion on him and see how people felt, my sleep deprived brain was suspicious of him yesterday but I think there are better options. I have pushed Stutters and said I would lynch him. My only caveat was that I would feel bad. I have pushed OO in the beggining because he was playing suspicious for reasons I stated, mainly seeming constructed in his posts and contradicting himself by voting Coag when he says he wants to lynch an inactive. From there, I found out more of his reasoning and now understand he doesn't understand how Coag plays. t I attempted to get Vayne saved who was clearly town. I have pushed Cheesecake, and still wonder why others don't analyze him. He lurked almost the entirety of day two Why have you been absent? He hasn't done shit and is actually guilty of the reasons Marv is accusing me. All he has done is talk about me and eventually vote me for reasons which are weak as I've already stated. Marv, I want your reads on Cheesecake now and why you feel I am more suspicious than him since I assume you have ready every filter. If you think I'm lurking, you're wrong. I use my time the best I can. I will soon talk about someone I am suspicious of the most, only reason I don't say his name is because I don't want him to start fake contributing now as a response to initial suspicions. There is no reason I am scum, I am in fact surprised by the accusations, and further surprised by the weak reasoning. For my firm post, I was saying that the way he posts it will be easier to decide if he's scum later. I'm not saying that he is scum now but we should go after someone else. I think he is too much a combination of town/mafia for me to decide on him, and want to wait until later. That is not scum. That is town. | ||
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Statements that I am inconsistent are wrong. My scum reads are: Rayn, LM CC, Stutters, and the person I will post about later. I also suspect one of the lurkers to be scum. | ||
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On September 25 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why the fuck should i declare Koshi is town when i don't think he is town? Why have you not pushed for Koshi day two? You are clearly confident he's scum. You have not even been attempting to push him or generate discussion. This conflicts with your general town play to root out scum. On September 25 2013 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain's supicions: D1: Sentinel, doesn't push the lynch at all. D2: Then, about Stutters: "I feel bad because he's probably genuinely sick so I don't know if I want to give him more time. " -- Sounds like a real push. Votes for marv, why? No mention about others. Oh, but Mattchew was "not the best lynch" or "not necessarily scum". To be exact: I would also like you to exactly explain this, as this reasoning is bullshit and I think you made it up to put suspicion on me. Explain your thought process and reasoning on this in its entirety. It doesn't make sense. | ||
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I think Marv is town. I am not certain. | ||
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