EPTOn September 25 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Stutters saying "lynch kush" and then saying "why lynch someone who gives us no information" later on. Mattchew does not clearly explain that but it's what i gather from his post you quoted.
When have i said i think you are scum?
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On September 25 2013 21:32 Mocsta wrote:
Ask them an opinion based on what fucking foundation?
Do you even KNOW why he thinks stutters is a candidate to look into?
Fuck me.. yet IM a scum read?
On September 25 2013 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What Mocsta? In every post of those he asks people's opinion of Stutters. Strong people's, no?
On September 25 2013 21:26 Mocsta wrote:
This ties back to the original.
No where does it even state why Stutters is a person of interest.
Further, he asks Mocsta, Marv , DP + Yamato for an opinion on stutters.
Yet he only asks me after I derailed him on chariman ray... and marv + Yamato are on his proposed scum team... like wtf?
Doesn't hold water Rayn.
On September 25 2013 20:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't like Mattchew being scum any more. There were some things in his response that are bad, some things that are good, but the thing that struck me was his response about Stutters. He said "i was trying to make other people talk about Stutters". That to me struck as townie as fuck.
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Below is a Ctrl+F "stutters" of Mattchew filter.I don't like Mattchew being scum any more. There were some things in his response that are bad, some things that are good, but the thing that struck me was his response about Stutters. He said "i was trying to make other people talk about Stutters". That to me struck as townie as fuck.
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In case Stutters is town, that's what scum!Mattchew would want to do, but not what he would want to tell people afterwards. In case Stutters is scum, that's not what scum!Mattchew would want to do (if he wanted to bus he would want credit from that bus instead). Of course he could be lying or he could be really good as scum, but besides that i don't see that response coming from scum.
On September 22 2013 13:17 Mattchew wrote:
these posts back to back are pretty funny
On September 22 2013 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
Marv, lynch Kush with me?
Marv, lynch Kush with me?
On September 22 2013 07:43 Stutters695 wrote:
Finally off work.
Why exactly is it better to lynch someone who gives us no info from the flip over someone who has actually interacted with people?
On September 22 2013 07:36 Koshi wrote:
Ahya vigs. But in VA case, lynch better.
Ahya vigs. But in VA case, lynch better.
Finally off work.
Why exactly is it better to lynch someone who gives us no info from the flip over someone who has actually interacted with people?
these posts back to back are pretty funny
On September 22 2013 23:09 Mattchew wrote:
has anyone ever seen someone go back and read the thread and provide updates as they go along as scum?
and i can get down on a yamato vote for reasons stated above by others
or a stutters vote cause hypocrisy
has anyone ever seen someone go back and read the thread and provide updates as they go along as scum?
and i can get down on a yamato vote for reasons stated above by others
or a stutters vote cause hypocrisy
On September 22 2013 23:19 Mattchew wrote:
ok i wont vote him today, but i want more
opinion on stutters?
On September 22 2013 23:16 Mocsta wrote:
Too scummy to be scum dude.
I just coached this fucker in the newbies. hence the comment about "setting trapz"
Look, I actually liked his insight when i probed him more. its not a firm town read by any means, but I think hes certainly not worth a vote outright.
On September 22 2013 23:12 Mattchew wrote:
oh and chainman ray is still weak, his idea of like watching over the thread is a really good (terrible) excuse for not giving reads and accusations, or even posting that much at all.
oh and chainman ray is still weak, his idea of like watching over the thread is a really good (terrible) excuse for not giving reads and accusations, or even posting that much at all.
Too scummy to be scum dude.
I just coached this fucker in the newbies. hence the comment about "setting trapz"
Look, I actually liked his insight when i probed him more. its not a firm town read by any means, but I think hes certainly not worth a vote outright.
ok i wont vote him today, but i want more
opinion on stutters?
On September 22 2013 23:58 Mattchew wrote:
DP can we lynch stutters? please and thank you
DP can we lynch stutters? please and thank you
On September 23 2013 02:00 Mattchew wrote:
I dont like excuses for absence or whatever, but since i legitmately might not be around at lynch time i would like to say that im at the airport right now, my flight is in 3 hours and lands only an hour or so before lynch... Before i board i will vote and my vote will likely not change.. This also means im all phone posting
Aa flight 140 out of bwi
Anyway, can i get some more opinions on stutters (especially marv)
I dont like excuses for absence or whatever, but since i legitmately might not be around at lynch time i would like to say that im at the airport right now, my flight is in 3 hours and lands only an hour or so before lynch... Before i board i will vote and my vote will likely not change.. This also means im all phone posting
Aa flight 140 out of bwi
Anyway, can i get some more opinions on stutters (especially marv)
On September 23 2013 06:44 Mattchew wrote:
Yamato what do you think of stutters
Yamato what do you think of stutters
On September 24 2013 08:37 Mattchew wrote:
i dont know if VE can martyr and be this depressing as scum
my vote stayed on yamato because he didn't overreact to a lynch push on him, he didnt even call me scum for voting him, he hasnt been super aggressive the whole game
wave should be medic'd
DP has to be town theres no way scum gets that upset about an apparent mod mistake town lynch
Mocsta is clearly town
i could see a scum team of marv, yamato, firm tofu, stutters, a replaced player, and a lurker
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no i will not give my reasoning for marv being scum... plus if im wrong which i probably am because i suck at marvreading, he'll be dead soon enough
i dont know if VE can martyr and be this depressing as scum
my vote stayed on yamato because he didn't overreact to a lynch push on him, he didnt even call me scum for voting him, he hasnt been super aggressive the whole game
wave should be medic'd
DP has to be town theres no way scum gets that upset about an apparent mod mistake town lynch
Mocsta is clearly town
i could see a scum team of marv, yamato, firm tofu, stutters, a replaced player, and a lurker
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On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote:
Finally got some decent reads. :D
Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation.
As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them.
We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term.
Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots.
Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used.
Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned.
Finally got some decent reads. :D
Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation.
As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them.
We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term.
Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots.
Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used.
Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned.
no i will not give my reasoning for marv being scum... plus if im wrong which i probably am because i suck at marvreading, he'll be dead soon enough
On September 25 2013 15:08 Mattchew wrote:
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Stutters could still be scum and honestly has done nothing to prove me wrong about my worries all along, he pushed and tunneled (as in only talked about) kush the entire day 1 and has just now of day 2 had 1 post about lonemeow which represents the opinions many others have already stated. I dont think he has said anything that adapts to this particular game, (kushpolicy and sheeping)+ Show Spoiler +
somewhere in pandain/sent/zar/jat there just has to be some scum or i will probably cry.
I have noticed a lot of weak posting by lonemeow. I have tried not to jump on it too hastily but how many times can i hear something about him being newb or having nothing to add (i think a couple others have said this, and it just makes my blood boil)... the ease in which he has been pushed around is unsettling though, so he's lower than a lot of other people on my "should die" list
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other than post more somone needs to tell me what VE has done that makes everyone think hes town all of a sudden. I have seen too many people compliment his improvement, but what the hell has he done because I cant find it in his posts? these people off put me
I will not defend myself extensively. To answer basically rayn's entire post, I tried to generate a stutters conversation, but no one would talk to me about it, so in thread, it basically died. it was day 1 and I wasn't extremely confident
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i have been posting from a phone most of this game, as I read the thread while working. Its something for me to do as I pass the time between surgeries and case studies. I could easily lurk and basically ward off all suspicion by doing so (cause HEY GUYS LURKERS HAVE BASICALLY GOTTEN A FREE PASS THIS GAME) but i dont, and with scum in the position they are currently in, why the fuck wouldn't i do this? (self meta/analyzing is so dirty feeling)
mocsta keeps thinking im super easy to read as town, because when i play in a 6-9 person VM game that lasts 20 minutes (which im there and active for) I try to logic shit out (mostly because with that few players, it is actually a logic game) ... this is the basis of his entire case, which so many people have sheeped and jumped on.
Isn't it just a little strange the ease in which votes have just been rained down upon me? nah bro's this is totes normal
And you all can keep calling my play bad, but I have explained my reads and reasoning (albeit not in long winded posts like here) better than atleast half the players in this game, probably more (as if thats saying much)
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i sit down on a computer... a shitty old macbook with no mouse to be exact, after a long day of work
rayn, i'll address you eventually
Marv is scum... in other news i could be wrong and have just talked myself into a nonsensical read. I cant imagine that there wouldnt be some balance to this game, and with so few players that I think are vets and/or good, i find it impossible for them all to be town. Most of the players I have reasoned why I believe them to be town in earlier posts.
I am going to try and be as polite and respectful as possible writing this analysis but it probably wont work.
Marv has a huge filter, is super active and seems to be the town leader. Who the fuck would want to mess with him, he is one of 2 people in this game that i know of that can be almost unfair as town.
I need someone to point out to me anything marv has done that constitutes a case, or an extremely logic'd out read that completely makes sense. I may be out of the loop, but if there's one thing I know, its that Marv will put his entire thought process into the thread. This game he asks 10000 questions, pressures cases/lurkers (relatively softly especially for marv) and barely (if at all) contributes anything unique of his own. Maybe I have too much respect for his town play but to me it feels like he has said almost next to nothing depsite having one of the (if not the) longest filters in the game.
The town marv I know is a leader just like in this game, but with an actual direction. His posts feel and read extremely flexible and his play has been extremely go with the flow especially for marv.
How long has marv posted thoughts of stutters being scum and not actually pushed a goddamn thing?
I still believe in my night 1 logic of him posting without the fear of death. Who the hell else in this game would scare scum? "but mattchew, i haven't been shot as town night 1 in the last like 30813098123 games" yeah well lets look at who's in those games (namely more respected players than here) and how the game has played out. Almost no one said marv was scum before day 2 and its basically been all me since then, why would he not think he was gonna get shot / double stacked at least.
ps. bonus points for someone that collects all of marvs posts this game about other games in the past as either defense or deflection.
pps townies stop being scared of marv's post count and rep
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If VE says "well scum or town can do that" anymore and we listen to him, we will never have an educated lynch target ever. Its annoying.
Because I am playing "bad", lets do town reads
Yamato, Mocsta and (unfortunately) SNB are like townies number 1. Even though mocsta is wrong with his case on me for not very good reason, he's still town as fuck cause you can see that he actually believes im scum and wants to push it, not that he's just pushing the case to push a mislynch. You all should know why Yamato is town and unless DP knew ahead of his "fuck the world i hate everyone" emo phase that he was leaving the game, it was likely genuine.
Ps. Yamato is the homey now, I have seen the light. I am a dumbass and he is smart, lets be friends even if I get mislynched today
Kush is most likely town. I dont think he could resist having people listen to him, which when theres no pressure of a lynch of you and you are trolling seems extremely unlikely for scum to do, also he made the best case against me
Coag is also most likely town, cause he claims a shot and he has given a tiny bit more of a fuck then he really needed to
(lol at me trying to read coag and kush, I must be going crazy)
Geript is most likely town cause of his battle with DP (granted me thinking DP is town). I dont know geript but I do know DP and his ability to tunnel. I dont see why any scum would want that amount of attention on themselves and have to get into that much of a pissing match early on.
im pretty sure rayn has been pushing people to post better while posting his own thought process.
ceph is probably town too, i have him green highlighted and i have to go back to remember why
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Its weird, I originally had Firmtofu down as a townread (in my own notes), then I called him scum cause of a post because of the reason mentioned there. I think i looked at the first vote too hard thinking him not being lynched caused ray to be lynched, but his push was really after the original Ray (mislynch) push. I need to look into him further tomorrow
rayn, i'll address you eventually
Marv is scum... in other news i could be wrong and have just talked myself into a nonsensical read. I cant imagine that there wouldnt be some balance to this game, and with so few players that I think are vets and/or good, i find it impossible for them all to be town. Most of the players I have reasoned why I believe them to be town in earlier posts.
I am going to try and be as polite and respectful as possible writing this analysis but it probably wont work.
Marv has a huge filter, is super active and seems to be the town leader. Who the fuck would want to mess with him, he is one of 2 people in this game that i know of that can be almost unfair as town.
I need someone to point out to me anything marv has done that constitutes a case, or an extremely logic'd out read that completely makes sense. I may be out of the loop, but if there's one thing I know, its that Marv will put his entire thought process into the thread. This game he asks 10000 questions, pressures cases/lurkers (relatively softly especially for marv) and barely (if at all) contributes anything unique of his own. Maybe I have too much respect for his town play but to me it feels like he has said almost next to nothing depsite having one of the (if not the) longest filters in the game.
The town marv I know is a leader just like in this game, but with an actual direction. His posts feel and read extremely flexible and his play has been extremely go with the flow especially for marv.
How long has marv posted thoughts of stutters being scum and not actually pushed a goddamn thing?
I still believe in my night 1 logic of him posting without the fear of death. Who the hell else in this game would scare scum? "but mattchew, i haven't been shot as town night 1 in the last like 30813098123 games" yeah well lets look at who's in those games (namely more respected players than here) and how the game has played out. Almost no one said marv was scum before day 2 and its basically been all me since then, why would he not think he was gonna get shot / double stacked at least.
ps. bonus points for someone that collects all of marvs posts this game about other games in the past as either defense or deflection.
pps townies stop being scared of marv's post count and rep
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If VE says "well scum or town can do that" anymore and we listen to him, we will never have an educated lynch target ever. Its annoying.
Because I am playing "bad", lets do town reads
Yamato, Mocsta and (unfortunately) SNB are like townies number 1. Even though mocsta is wrong with his case on me for not very good reason, he's still town as fuck cause you can see that he actually believes im scum and wants to push it, not that he's just pushing the case to push a mislynch. You all should know why Yamato is town and unless DP knew ahead of his "fuck the world i hate everyone" emo phase that he was leaving the game, it was likely genuine.
Ps. Yamato is the homey now, I have seen the light. I am a dumbass and he is smart, lets be friends even if I get mislynched today
Kush is most likely town. I dont think he could resist having people listen to him, which when theres no pressure of a lynch of you and you are trolling seems extremely unlikely for scum to do, also he made the best case against me
Coag is also most likely town, cause he claims a shot and he has given a tiny bit more of a fuck then he really needed to
(lol at me trying to read coag and kush, I must be going crazy)
Geript is most likely town cause of his battle with DP (granted me thinking DP is town). I dont know geript but I do know DP and his ability to tunnel. I dont see why any scum would want that amount of attention on themselves and have to get into that much of a pissing match early on.
im pretty sure rayn has been pushing people to post better while posting his own thought process.
ceph is probably town too, i have him green highlighted and i have to go back to remember why
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Its weird, I originally had Firmtofu down as a townread (in my own notes), then I called him scum cause of a post because of the reason mentioned there. I think i looked at the first vote too hard thinking him not being lynched caused ray to be lynched, but his push was really after the original Ray (mislynch) push. I need to look into him further tomorrow
Stutters could still be scum and honestly has done nothing to prove me wrong about my worries all along, he pushed and tunneled (as in only talked about) kush the entire day 1 and has just now of day 2 had 1 post about lonemeow which represents the opinions many others have already stated. I dont think he has said anything that adapts to this particular game, (kushpolicy and sheeping)+ Show Spoiler +
somewhere in pandain/sent/zar/jat there just has to be some scum or i will probably cry.
I have noticed a lot of weak posting by lonemeow. I have tried not to jump on it too hastily but how many times can i hear something about him being newb or having nothing to add (i think a couple others have said this, and it just makes my blood boil)... the ease in which he has been pushed around is unsettling though, so he's lower than a lot of other people on my "should die" list
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other than post more somone needs to tell me what VE has done that makes everyone think hes town all of a sudden. I have seen too many people compliment his improvement, but what the hell has he done because I cant find it in his posts? these people off put me
I will not defend myself extensively. To answer basically rayn's entire post, I tried to generate a stutters conversation, but no one would talk to me about it, so in thread, it basically died. it was day 1 and I wasn't extremely confident
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i have been posting from a phone most of this game, as I read the thread while working. Its something for me to do as I pass the time between surgeries and case studies. I could easily lurk and basically ward off all suspicion by doing so (cause HEY GUYS LURKERS HAVE BASICALLY GOTTEN A FREE PASS THIS GAME) but i dont, and with scum in the position they are currently in, why the fuck wouldn't i do this? (self meta/analyzing is so dirty feeling)
mocsta keeps thinking im super easy to read as town, because when i play in a 6-9 person VM game that lasts 20 minutes (which im there and active for) I try to logic shit out (mostly because with that few players, it is actually a logic game) ... this is the basis of his entire case, which so many people have sheeped and jumped on.
Isn't it just a little strange the ease in which votes have just been rained down upon me? nah bro's this is totes normal
And you all can keep calling my play bad, but I have explained my reads and reasoning (albeit not in long winded posts like here) better than atleast half the players in this game, probably more (as if thats saying much)
This ties back to the original.
No where does it even state why Stutters is a person of interest.
Further, he asks Mocsta, Marv , DP + Yamato for an opinion on stutters.
Yet he only asks me after I derailed him on chariman ray... and marv + Yamato are on his proposed scum team... like wtf?
Doesn't hold water Rayn.
What Mocsta? In every post of those he asks people's opinion of Stutters. Strong people's, no?
Ask them an opinion based on what fucking foundation?
Do you even KNOW why he thinks stutters is a candidate to look into?
Fuck me.. yet IM a scum read?
Stutters saying "lynch kush" and then saying "why lynch someone who gives us no information" later on. Mattchew does not clearly explain that but it's what i gather from his post you quoted.
When have i said i think you are scum?
How is that townie and transparent. Look whatever, you have made up your mind and filling in the gaps to suit the purpose.
