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On September 25 2013 13:06 Pandain wrote:
Disagree that Geript is scum.
Has there ever been a game where scum instantly brought all attention to himself and with poor reasoning tried to tunnel one of the best players?
I have a case ready to go on Geript and zaragon. Will post them during night cycle as mattychew is still whom I think is the best lynch. We already have the votes in place.
I'm about to filter dive sentinel and umasi.
Prob cc as well. His lack of activity since day1 is worrying.
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Haha pandain. Sorry dude.
Target too many ppl in one cycle and it's too hard to control the lynch.
Anyways I need to read the cases against umasi because I read his filter and he is screaming town to me. Does anyone remember who made the case?
Onto sentinel now
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On September 25 2013 13:26 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 12:45 Mocsta wrote:On September 25 2013 12:40 Rise wrote:
FT saved yesterday, not getting lynched today. Makes sense. DP was right about mods saving FT b/c he's scum, imo. Or. Mod didn't want to do two flips in general. It's not like chairman could come back into the game. It was a fuckup and u get that unfortunately. That came off as judgmental on the hosts, when I meant for it to be me agreeing with DP that FT was scum benefiting from a shitty situation. FT got saved d1/was in the process of getting saved when lynchpost happened early. Today FT starts as the clear candidate to be lynched and has for reasons unrelated to his own posting is being saved again.
This has to stop.
It's wrong. Full stop.
The host clearly had no idea who the vote leader was. He took 30min to do the count for fucks sake.
Ft was not saved by the host.... And as for the dp vote thingo. The simplest solution is that the host fucked up and made a decision to minimise the damage... Which is.. ensure only one person flipped.
That's a non alignment indicative action as it preserves some modicum of integrity for the game.
Ft hasn't been saved. Many still think he is scum.
It's just that many view mattychew as a higher % to flip scum.
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On September 23 2013 14:08 Blazinghand wrote:
wait am i being shot
This is hillarious in hindsight.
Yes bh.. u r
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Panda
Where do u stand with umasi
Is the only case on him, the stuff from firmtofu?
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Do u agree with iamp scum read on umasi?
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Thnx. I had a vague idea u were the one who wrote that.
I'm in phone so hard to find stuff. Are u aware if anyone other than firmtofu made a case on umasi?
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Pandain. I'm only halfway through sentinel but I have a big issue.
His vote on yamato.
Sentinel says.. I think ray is town. U r voting ray, so must be scum looking for easy kill.
I'm really struggling to see why town would think this.
I thought chair was a poor and easy vote. But my issue ugh yam was that he said multiple actives were scummy and decided to vote chair instead.
In this regard, I can easily see scum sentinel trying to setup yam for leading a mislynch.
Obviously day didn't pan out that way even though chair was lynched.
Thoughts?
Sorry if unclear. Still on phone
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On September 25 2013 14:21 Pandain wrote:
Not off the top of my head, but it's probably a waste of time for you.
I would check Shutters, LM, Marv, Rayn, and Mattchew for likely scum.
I rescind my past read on Zara for the moment, but would like to see more from him.
U want me to check mattychew?
Are u serious?
With Sara. I assume he is null or town for u now?
That.. I am curious about.
When I did my filter dive in Sara an hour ago, I changed from town to scum. His filter is completely devoid of content in the thread. All his reads are gut town reads... Etc
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Well.. give stutters more time.. there's 6 scum and he's sick.
Btw. U want to know why sentinel is confirmed scum?
He fucken stated he skimmed vers guide... Seriously.. lol.. talk about over compensation
I'm pretty sure he did this as scum in smurf mini as well
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Btw.. your last point on stutters is not alignment indicative.
Town do that all the time. Esp when they recognise they don't hold influence. Meh point to me.
I don't care about zara past games cos I'm looking at motive and how it applies to this game. Zaragon for me does not read authentic to me either.
Perhaps I gave him leniency out of narcissism, but he really hasn't produced any goods worth giving town cred for.
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On September 25 2013 14:38 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 14:35 Mocsta wrote:
Well.. give stutters more time.. there's 6 scum and he's sick.
Btw. U want to know why sentinel is confirmed scum?
He fucken stated he skimmed vers guide... Seriously.. lol.. talk about over compensation
I'm pretty sure he did this as scum in smurf mini as well For some reason I feel this is poor reasoning. I'm going to sleep, however. Hopefully more discussion tomorrow. Definitely feel we can find someone better than Mattchew, that's my goal for tommorow.
Would help if u explained why mattychew will flip town
Instead of just Shitting over everyone that has laid a vote..mmmmk?
We have gone beyond the point of counter wagon. Chew needs to be proved innocent first. Then counterwagon.
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On September 25 2013 14:44 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 14:40 Mocsta wrote:On September 25 2013 14:38 Pandain wrote:On September 25 2013 14:35 Mocsta wrote:
Well.. give stutters more time.. there's 6 scum and he's sick.
Btw. U want to know why sentinel is confirmed scum?
He fucken stated he skimmed vers guide... Seriously.. lol.. talk about over compensation
I'm pretty sure he did this as scum in smurf mini as well For some reason I feel this is poor reasoning. I'm going to sleep, however. Hopefully more discussion tomorrow. Definitely feel we can find someone better than Mattchew, that's my goal for tommorow. Would help if u explained why mattychew will flip town Instead of just Shitting over everyone that has laid a vote..mmmmk? We have gone beyond the point of counter wagon. Chew needs to be proved innocent first. Then counterwagon. Basically I think he's being lynched more for being bad then for being scum, and I would rather lynch someone based on analysis of being scum.
So u think all the points about stutters read as bad play vs scummy motive?
You think it is merely bad play to respond to the case the way he has.. given that ppl ARE laying down votes?
I am looking forward to your counter wagon on stutters/whoever tomorrow. Because if the above is not scum motive. I have no idea what content will be in your case.
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Umasi
Question.
Day1 lynch. U backed off sentinel and then came back on him waving a justice flag.
Why did u do this? U admitted prior the read wasn't a strong one, so I don't get the motive to blow that trumpet?
I know u have been asked a similar quesyion but I wasn't satisfied with the response.
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Thnx mattychew for the spew.
Would have been nice if u explained why the case was bad.
Hasn't changed my mind though.
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Yeah I saw.
And the voice mafia part was an addendum based on u being easy to read as town in voice. I admitted the skills don't necessarily transfer.
The crux of the case was how u dealt with stutters.
That has been ignored in full
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Again. That wasn't the crux
U used others to generate the convo in your behalfu even admit it again now
When it fails.. u don't even follow up though being around.
U come on dude
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Matey,
I just don't buy it, for all the reasons explained here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=143#2850
Its pretty easy to see that you have skimmed and produced minute details to attack the case that people were voting for you; and then tried to glamour this up by making a counter-?case? on marv + giving out some premature reads 24hrs before flip.
Ultimately, you're still my scum read. I am not going to argue with you about whether you are scum.
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On September 25 2013 15:32 Risen wrote:
Really hope Matt is scum or I'm going to be in a tight spot. In other news, lynch FT. I could see a marv lynch, too. Or Cephiro who is still absent. Mocsta with the ole' "lol your post is too long and I'm scum so that's too much effort to respond to/opens me up too much to appearing scummy so I'm not changing my mind" post.
?? I read his whole post before responding.
In the followup discussion with Mattchew, it was apparent that he did not address the crux of the case; as he had to provide more information.
Anyways, did you like Mattchew response?
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