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And there-in lies my point.
No one knows.
Decondou is an old school mafia player who I have played with several times. In fact he is one of the best mafia players and really good at analysis.
Here is his filter:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=deconduo&view=all
Despite his experience he has been lurking heavily since day two. He has posted analysis but never pushed anything, indicative of scum never following up on their reads.
Also look what he feels about Ceph:
On September 27 2013 09:26 deconduo wrote:I don't actually think marv is scum. Look at his reaction to when LM claimed doc: Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 10:52 Cephiro wrote:
That claim, what the fuck!? I'm not sure if I should believe it or not x_x Then again if he IS the town doc it's better that I get lynched instead of him, and I'm not leading by many votes.... fucking claims like 10 mins before deadline? Counterclaims anyone? That's a very un-scumlike reaction.
On September 27 2013 09:32 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 09:28 iamperfection wrote:
decondu why did you not respond when people were calling you out but the proceed to happen to be around the deadline? Where were people calling me out? Also I usually wouldn't be around at the deadline (4am my time), insomnia kept me awake last night. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 27 2013 09:26 deconduo wrote:I don't actually think marv is scum. Look at his reaction to when LM claimed doc: On September 26 2013 10:52 Cephiro wrote:
That claim, what the fuck!? I'm not sure if I should believe it or not x_x Then again if he IS the town doc it's better that I get lynched instead of him, and I'm not leading by many votes.... fucking claims like 10 mins before deadline? Counterclaims anyone? That's a very un-scumlike reaction. I find it negated by the red statement that follows. In a game with unknown quantities of roles, a counterclaim wouldn't really do anything to prove whether LM was lying. Verily, we HAD a counterclaim and...he wasn't lying. I had the same thought, but I couldn't reconcile it with the request for counterclaims. Am I wrong? Yeah, maybe you're right. I just can't imagine a scum posting that line completely off the cuff.
Despite this he ends up voting him later on, and for different reasons.
On September 29 2013 01:47 deconduo wrote:
It always unnerves me when there's no resistance to a lynch. However I can't offer any good alternatives.
## Vote Cephiro
I could see Stutters being town. He is obviously not following the thread closely and hasn't even voted yet and might be modkilled.
However decondou with posts like this:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 24 2013 07:14 deconduo wrote:First off, a 5/6 vote lynch in a 30 player game is pretty terrible. We need to be a lot more consolidated in our lynches or we'll be torn apart later on. I know there was some confusion over the deadline but that's still only a 2 hour difference. I've tried to skim through the thread and as many relevant filters as possible, but there's a massive amount of reading to do. However I noticed that yamato has an awful lot of filler and not much actual content. Stuff like this: Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 11:40 yamato77 wrote:
Vote shenanigans make FT likely mafia And this: Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:25 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:24 ObviousOne wrote:On September 23 2013 08:23 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:12 ObviousOne wrote:On September 23 2013 08:11 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:08 ObviousOne wrote:
Yeah let's do Mocsta. Why? The reasons you came up with are not lining up for me. Because he's disruptive and a jerk and It will make me feel good. Can you expand this reasoning to include specific references? No thanks. I'm good. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:36 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:35 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 08:34 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:31 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 08:29 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:27 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 08:02 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:01 Koshi wrote:
@yamato77: Well, his first post was a really easy way for scum to enter the thread. Say some stuff about himself mainly that his reads are bad and that you shouldn't pay too much attention to him. Ending with being open for questions if there are any.
@rayn: WoS made a big ass post about secret taktics and it reminded me of his sekret tactics in Persona.
@marv: I am here, reading everything. I don't know what to do.
@JAT: Yes, I play different this time. I think it is because it is a big game now. I don't remember what I did right in Aperture that I am not doing now, probably activity. Read through his vote on LoneMeow and give me your honest interpretation. On September 23 2013 04:31 Chairman Ray wrote:On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something. Why would you say that voting Umasi is a terrible idea, yet vote him anyways? It seems to me like you are scum trying to get achieve a town mislynch D1, but unable to muster up any strong cases on anybody. So instead of posting a weak case against them and have everyone call you out on it, you beat us to the punch by telling us your case is poor to begin with. If you are really town, then a town who intentionally makes a bad vote is still hurting town.##Vote: LoneMeow I actually have no problem with the reason why CR voted LM. But that last sentence is really strange. Remove that last sentence and I actually like it, but that last sentence is just strange. Don't know why that was added. So, outside of his first post, is there anything meaningful that would make you lean one way or the other about him? Well he is attacking me for 2 reasons that you shut down immediately. He even brought it up again and you shot it down again. After that he is still on my ass. Dnu, what that is all about. Meh, he explained it well enough IMO. I'm having second thoughts about his lynch. Well, find us somebody else! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz This sort of stuff is scattered throughout his filter, though he does have the occasional content post.
Far worse however is Risen. He repeated calls out filler posts: Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 03:27 Risen wrote:On September 24 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:
Lol wtf is the point of all these detailed as Fuck vig lists It's so people can look active without actually doing anything. Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 06:36 Risen wrote:On September 24 2013 06:01 marvellosity wrote:
FT is a decent shot primarily because he might be mafia but also it gives us lots of information on the wagons. Knowing if it was town/town or town/mafia would be really nice.
Risen I'd like to see dead for being a worse version of coag. To repeat, his reaction to the lynch was "rofl" and his only contribution since then was saying something that VE had already pointed out in his own post. Since when is self-excusing fillpost a good post? Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 08:12 Risen wrote:On September 22 2013 08:08 kushm4sta wrote:On September 22 2013 02:38 Stutters695 wrote:On September 22 2013 02:12 kushm4sta wrote:
how am i thread police stutters? By asking for modkills, calling people out for spamming instead of playing? I'd say it's a fitting description Asking for modkills was a joke mostly. Obviously it wasn't going to happen. Telling them to stop spamming was definitely a joke. Notice how I used 2 posts unnecessarily and thus spammed myself This is useless/bad/filler Yet he doesn't have a single post in his <1 page filter worth reading. As far as vig shots go, he would be at the top of the list.
Mostly for my own benefit, but might help others Day/Night Posts + Show Spoiler +Filters + Show Spoiler +
Clearly shows his interest. The question then becomes, why does he not post what he feels? Why has he not pushed anything? He is an exagerrated form of Stutters and more likely to flip scum then him. He is not playing to his normal quality and has no reason to unless scum as he clearly shows interest.
I think Iamp is town and you guys are over-exagerrating. Being doubtful of a medic claim isn't that scum-like, in fact I would think that scum would instantly bandwagon for mocsta to try and gain town cred. He has been posting good reads and contributing. He is one of the few players I have a town read on and it would be retarded to lynch him.
FT I would still lynch, however, but decondou is by far the better lynch. Stutters is a distant third now, especially since he might be modkilled.
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On October 02 2013 03:59 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:56 Pandain wrote:
We have 5 hours left, plenty of time. No it isn't, and I've already stated how I feel about decon. Why are you so scummy? It's like you're scum trolling the shit out of the thread
I've led plenty of lynches in the last 30 minutes of a thread, not to mention the last quarter of a day. It's plenty of time especially since people become active as the day closes and the highest vote count is 4 for Stutters/FT.
Heck if you and Rayn both switched to decondou we would be tied for first, and that's only two people.
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On October 02 2013 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why did you not make this case 24h ago? Afaik all the info was there at that time.
Fuck you Pandain. Man up and contribute to the lynch.
Fuck you and listen. I was clearly pushing VE and decondou was a distant thought in my mind and still had chances to contribute.
Why should you not lynch decondou? Give me one good reason .
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Risen, why should we not lynch decondou ?
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Both of you seem extremely scummy for not even considering him.
Rayn more then Risen as Risen is shown to be stubborn and I already have a scum read on you Rayn.
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I'm ignoring bussing or associative tells. And in any case, FT pushing decondou as he's about to get lynched doesn't mean shit as it could easily be last second cred for decondou.
Think and don't just read.
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And I made the good case on decondou, not a case like FT.
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Do you think Decondou is scum?
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On October 02 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 04:04 Pandain wrote:On October 02 2013 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why did you not make this case 24h ago? Afaik all the info was there at that time.
Fuck you Pandain. Man up and contribute to the lynch. Fuck you and listen. I was clearly pushing VE and decondou was a distant thought in my mind and still had chances to contribute. Why should you not lynch decondou? Give me one good reason . Because after VE flipped his shit and got himself modkilled there has been a big discussion about the lynch targets. I have been saying this every fucking phase. Deconduo is not gonna get lynched today, deal with it. Not any more.
Are you literally this fucking dumb?
5-6 hours is plenty of time what the fuck.
Remember golden sun? LAST MINUTE LYNCHES ON ZEALOS WTF.
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On October 02 2013 04:08 Koshi wrote:
... Strange timing for that case though. Like, why not share the information sooner?
Because I never really looked into him.
This isn't strange timing and I'm so confused by the accusation.
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Every reason I am suspicious for in Stutters is also found in decondou. Furthermore, there are additional reasons to be suspicious of decondou.
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On October 02 2013 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 04:09 Pandain wrote:On October 02 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2013 04:04 Pandain wrote:On October 02 2013 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why did you not make this case 24h ago? Afaik all the info was there at that time.
Fuck you Pandain. Man up and contribute to the lynch. Fuck you and listen. I was clearly pushing VE and decondou was a distant thought in my mind and still had chances to contribute. Why should you not lynch decondou? Give me one good reason . Because after VE flipped his shit and got himself modkilled there has been a big discussion about the lynch targets. I have been saying this every fucking phase. Deconduo is not gonna get lynched today, deal with it. Not any more. Are you literally this fucking dumb? 5-6 hours is plenty of time what the fuck. Remember golden sun? LAST MINUTE LYNCHES ON ZEALOS WTF. I remember that you forced me to vote for kushmasta because you and our beloved cop were too stubborn to listen to people who could actually read for him. ffs... I also remember inever ever wanted to lynch Zealos. I am not gonna let that happen here!
Answer me now do you think decondou is scum or are you trying to avoid a lynch on your scum buddy. If you think decondou is scum and I have proved he can be lynched given the top canidate only has four votes, why are you not voting for him.
Your logic is failing and dumb. If you are town I will give you 10 minutes while I take a shower to look over filters and give me a good response.
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On October 02 2013 04:12 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 04:10 Pandain wrote:
Every reason I am suspicious for in Stutters is also found in decondou. Furthermore, there are additional reasons to be suspicious of decondou.
And yet FT is your top scum read.
S-s-s-s-s-ss-s-s-ss-s-s-s-ss--econd.
I wouldn't mind a lynch on him either but not on Iamp.
Stutters isn't too bad but decondou is most likely to hit scum.
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On October 02 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 04:12 Pandain wrote:On October 02 2013 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2013 04:09 Pandain wrote:On October 02 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2013 04:04 Pandain wrote:On October 02 2013 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why did you not make this case 24h ago? Afaik all the info was there at that time.
Fuck you Pandain. Man up and contribute to the lynch. Fuck you and listen. I was clearly pushing VE and decondou was a distant thought in my mind and still had chances to contribute. Why should you not lynch decondou? Give me one good reason . Because after VE flipped his shit and got himself modkilled there has been a big discussion about the lynch targets. I have been saying this every fucking phase. Deconduo is not gonna get lynched today, deal with it. Not any more. Are you literally this fucking dumb? 5-6 hours is plenty of time what the fuck. Remember golden sun? LAST MINUTE LYNCHES ON ZEALOS WTF. I remember that you forced me to vote for kushmasta because you and our beloved cop were too stubborn to listen to people who could actually read for him. ffs... I also remember inever ever wanted to lynch Zealos. I am not gonna let that happen here! Answer me now do you think decondou is scum or are you trying to avoid a lynch on your scum buddy. If you think decondou is scum and I have proved he can be lynched given the top canidate only has four votes, why are you not voting for him. Your logic is failing and dumb. If you are town I will give you 10 minutes while I take a shower to look over filters and give me a good response. No i do not think deconduo is scum. I think you are scum.
Why is decondou not scum?
There is no reason he is town.
I want to see your thought process now so after we lynch decondou you will be shown scum because there is no reason to support decondou.
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But stutters has clearly shown to not give a fuck and may very well be modkilled.
Why waste a vote on him which is a shot in the dark and may end up being wrong?
If you think decondou is scum vote him with me
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What are you talking about I made cases on FT and originally tried to get him lynched. I was the first vote on Stutters and have been constantly suspicious.
Literally the only motivation for me to then switch out of this is if I'm town and trying to find the best read.
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On October 02 2013 04:15 Koshi wrote:
Guess I swap Risen and Pandain on my scumlist.
Why do you read and not think, post but not reflect.
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Stop talking about Iamp your cases on him are shit.
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On October 02 2013 04:18 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 04:18 Pandain wrote:
Stop talking about Iamp your cases on him are shit. Then get on stutters. Now. Wtf are you waiting for?
Because decondou is more scummy then stutters? I'm not a mindless town conformist who attacks people who might be scummy and agree with town sentiment but instead go for the best lynches?
You think decondou is scum, why not go after him.
Is he more likely to flip scum then decondou to you, and if not then why.
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Goddamnit Kita give me a second to put you in your place.
5 minutes please.
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