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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 16:16 GMT
#2880
On September 25 2013 01:09 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 01:00 Mattchew wrote:
I dont want scum defending me marv


as a counterpoint to what i just posted, this is just stupid, because it doesn't suggest any give and take on his stance on me. meh.

well this is almost a done deal (other than securing enough votes).

HIs response is pretty fucking scummy, and i dont know why you are refraining.


  • He de-lurked to acknowledge the presence of the case
  • He does not even attempt to rebut the case (whether using fact or ad-hom).. he just says (read my filter)
    Irony being that the case was based on dot points whilst reading the filter


As town, i ignore shit cases on me all the time (e.g. yam case on me in multiple games) but its acknowledged and rebutted in some way, shape, or form.

Not getting that right now.. and with the timing of that de-lurk.. Why hasnt he been contributing to any live discussion... its Day2 ffs. votes matter this cycle.

+ case is clearly not shit (even you admited it has merit)


Let me post this on his behalf (Im on the left)
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 16:17 GMT
#2882
^ninja'd

marv voted lol
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 16:22 GMT
#2886
On September 25 2013 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Mocsta now you are lying. You said at the start of the game clearly that you are on the right..

Tru dat.
You will have to make up ya own mind.

Btw, if you haven't learnt by now. Town Mocsta loves engaging in live convo, often at the expense of not filter diving so a lot of stuff said is based off first impressions. Its a really bad habit/flaw in play. As a replacement, i am not as exposed to this issue, because theres no need to be a thread driver. Only ppl like marv (when at his peak) can maintain thread driving presence AND filter diving presence. Also means mafia dominates life.. so...

I tell you though as an aside, if by some miracle you are scum.. I will be devastated. (Srsly)
After GoT I made a hoohaa about clear differences in ya town/scum play, and I had a hard town read on you early. so would be embarassing

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 16:23 GMT
#2889
On September 25 2013 01:20 Mattchew wrote:
Yeah i didnt say im reading along and posting from my phone like under an hour ago or anything

And... its a delurk on the most recent page.

This means you are up to date.

And if you can post now,, you could post before. You're screwed buddy.

(Dont worry, I still love you when town in voice)
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 16:25 GMT
#2892
On September 25 2013 01:23 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 01:12 geript wrote:
There's only one point I want to make before I go into work. The BH kill really bothers me. It reminds me of the kill we made in The Game on a replacement who was a good player (I forget who it was) specifically to keep the thread off track. Feels like the same situation.

Did everyone miss this?

I didnt. I commented prior I thought it was a bluesnipe.

How is it misleading us, BH gave no info to confuse ppl with.

Ironically, you presenting this now reads as a red herring to do exactly as what you are complaining about


Why did you ignore my request for you to look into the mattchew case?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=144#2869
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 16:28 GMT
#2895
BTW VE.

obviously we dont know if Matt *is* scum (yet). Same applies for pandain.

But oddly enough, both have an unhealthy obsession with commenting about peculiar things to do with Marv.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 16:29 GMT
#2899
On September 25 2013 01:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 01:23 geript wrote:
On September 25 2013 01:12 geript wrote:
There's only one point I want to make before I go into work. The BH kill really bothers me. It reminds me of the kill we made in The Game on a replacement who was a good player (I forget who it was) specifically to keep the thread off track. Feels like the same situation.

Did everyone miss this?

Why are you drawing attention to it? There's nothing like a conclusion or question or anything anyone should comment on here - why are you asking us to look again?

This might be premature (sue me... i might need nasal spray technology)
But you really have stepped up ya game from 24-48hrs ago.

Srsly, Im feeling SO much better about you. Im saying this, cos I hope you are town, and can use the confidence boost.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 16:31 GMT
#2902
On September 25 2013 01:29 marvellosity wrote:
It's my '10' penis.

Now i get what Fank saw in you, when you got married.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 16:32 GMT
#2903
On September 25 2013 01:30 geript wrote:
Very simply you of all people should understand VE. I think scum have 2-4 active players controlling the thread similar to in The Game. I think they want to keep thread control.

4 active players controlling the thread

This is fucking ridiculous.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 16:35 GMT
#2908
On September 25 2013 01:33 geript wrote:
No it's not. We did that in the game.

I cant help but notice two things

(1) You refuse to comment on my mattchew case
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=144#2869

&
(2) You had an awesome de-lurk just after my mattchew case; and have commenced shitting up the thread talking about BH kills, and making brash accusations on scum control without naming anyone even though its fucking clear who the people are.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 16:43 GMT
#2910
On September 25 2013 01:40 marvellosity wrote:
If anyone was curious about my little unvote-vote tango, it was because I remembered/found this:

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 13:21 Mattchew wrote:
Lol im like conf town mutha truckahs


And thought, oh my, we're lynching the doctor! So I unvoted. Then kept browsing his filter and noted that yamato was a scumread of his, so it makes zero sense for him having protected yamato. So I revoted.

If you aint scum.. I would love to know post-game why thats a doc claim.

/bookmarked
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 16:50 GMT
#2916
On September 25 2013 01:45 marvellosity wrote:
Because successful saves are notified, and if he were doctor protecting yamato he'd be notified that he did so (with yam confirming it).

It's not complicated Moc D:

It is complicated.

That quote is from night1. It's almost 24hrs old... There is no notification.

All it says is. I'm town mother trukah

It's not even a crumb.... Will deal with this post flip if scum.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 16:52 GMT
#2918
On September 25 2013 01:50 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 01:45 marvellosity wrote:
Because successful saves are notified, and if he were doctor protecting yamato he'd be notified that he did so (with yam confirming it).

It's not complicated Moc D:

It is complicated.

That quote is from night1. It's almost 24hrs old... There is no notification.

All it says is. I'm town mother trukah

It's not even a crumb.... Will deal with this post flip if scum.

Sorry.
Take it back.

It's past midnight... Gggrrrrer. Misjudged timestamp.


Don't care for it regardless
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 16:54 GMT
#2920
I already said sorry.

I processed 13 as 1
And is 12.53 here haha.

Nite
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 23:15 GMT
#3121
On September 25 2013 05:40 Koshi wrote:
Ok lads. Total drunk and I am reading everything with a german accent.

+ Show Spoiler +
didnt like the coag shot, but I guess he is confirmed town with yamato claiming to be shot + protected. I also think the VA reads should have some weight, it is the first time I have seen VA actually give multiple reads. And it is very interested he added rayn because they play in a lot of minis and VA never gives strong reads like this. I am somewhat sad he got shot over people like FT.

somewhat surprised that not more vigis acted n1. Also there is no RB claims? Strange?

Anyway, I only glanced over the posts since p140. Nothing too special I think.

For people I.would vote tomorrow. I think I am going to look deeper into the reads VA gave and 1 out of those 4 or sheep thread. I should have 2-3 hours to play the game tomorrow. Around 23 hours from now.

I really have nothing to add of value atm. Please note down that in the 2 months I have played mafia I have not afked like this ever. So just give me this cycle at least. Thread sentiment is that I am town. Happy I could at least prove that again.

So yeah, I do not know how.many vigs/docs/cops we should have. But lynching somebody from the WoS/VA list shouldnt be too horrible. Or at least they should be discussed if they are.on both lists. Because VA does not give reads like this easily, he could have done it to save his skin though.

Out of active posters I really could lynch rayn tbh. Like today he asked good questions it seems, but I am lacking the rayn drive behind those questions. Normally in town games when he asks questions, you have this feeling if it is answered wrongly in rayns opinion, you will get tunneled. Or if he interacts with not scumreads of his, you have a general idea why he asks it, it is driven by a scumread of his. Like read the Acrofoles/rayn interactions from GoT, you really miss the drive behind some of the conversations.
Also, early this day. He said I might still be scum. And that is really a strange thing for rayn to say. + Show Spoiler +
Mocsta knows this, but even in voice mafia I have to only open my mouth and rayn gives me a 100% townread. This does not mean rayn reads me like a book, but he picks up on some posts of mine that he can say "oh because these 5 posts, Koshi is 100%town" and after n1 in which I was really townmeta Koshi. I find it strange rayn is not more certain about his read. Like even if I am scum, because I posted this way rayn should b more certain I feel like. If you understand what I mean. I am not scum obviously, but the restriction rayn has is strange. That and his tunnel d1 on me felt forced now.

But dont think he will get lynched today so it seems. So pretty sure rayn & me will have long conversations d3 lol.

PS: I cant read rayn btw. But the warm comfort he reads me correct is missing. And the Koshi tunnel day 1 felt not raynlike, even though thepoints he brought up.were.valid
.

wtf... how is the mattchew case of no value? please read and comment

regarding your quote in red... rayn was scum that scum... u r saying their is a marked difference in play, and that makes him scum this game???

dude, you need to back off and find someone else. there's more than one scum in this game.

lasltly, this sheep VA thing is unsettling. nothing to do with me being a read.. more to do with your meta. last time u tried to sheep dead players this vehemently, you were SK sleeping flipped town vivax in Sicilian.....yes, I'm suggesting if u sheeop. then sheep thread sentiment and vote mattchew
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 23:17 GMT
#3122
On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote:
, how come there is nothing going on right now?

Kush I am eagerly awaiting your announced contribution.
Also I would like to know yamatos, geripts, sentinels, marvs, rayns and kushs current opinion on FT if you have the time (not only because they were on rays wagon but for various different reasons). I mean everyone elses comments are welcome too but the opinions of those people are especially interesting to me.

Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter.

did u know there is a case that most of the actives have inputted on?

its on mattchew, i suggest u comment...... I got no idea how u avoided this
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 23:43 GMT
#3125
yam

talk to me.

did u like mattchew followup to the case? consider there was genuine pressure based on several votes, all from actives.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 23:59 GMT
#3136
On September 25 2013 08:54 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 08:52 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 08:49 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 25 2013 08:17 Mocsta wrote:
On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote:
, how come there is nothing going on right now?

Kush I am eagerly awaiting your announced contribution.
Also I would like to know yamatos, geripts, sentinels, marvs, rayns and kushs current opinion on FT if you have the time (not only because they were on rays wagon but for various different reasons). I mean everyone elses comments are welcome too but the opinions of those people are especially interesting to me.

Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter.

did u know there is a case that most of the actives have inputted on?

its on mattchew, i suggest u comment...... I got no idea how u avoided this

Yeah, I know. But if you look at the time stamps you will see that there WAS nothing going on at that point in time.
No, I didn't miss the case on Mattchew I read it and thought about it quite a bit. I just didn't have anything to say about it (nothing to add to the discussion). The logic is solid. I can't comment on the meta argument because I don't know his meta.
Overall I could vote him if he is still the main wagon at the end of Day2 and hasn't defended himself properly by then. Right now he did nothing like that and the people voting for him are mostly town in my book.


This is all distinctly lacking your own opinion...

Look at it from my point of view, jat. What am I supposed to take from this post about your alignment? about your views? about anything?

"the case is fine and i might vote him, depending on stuff"

That's exactly the reason I didn't comment on it. I don't have a strong opinion on it.
ok. If u don't have a strong opinion. The case clearly did not resonate with u.

Now is the time to explain what was not strong about it
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 25 2013 00:00 GMT
#3138
On September 25 2013 08:57 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 08:54 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 08:53 Pandain wrote:
On September 25 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
It is pretty bizarre that jat didn't comment on Matt at all.

I would think scum would at least want to comment on it one way or another. Indicates town to me.


so the ~20 players who haven't commented on it are all town then?

pro logic Pandy.

Context context, would assume you know not to generalize traits of scum and traits of town

Pls. Comment on the Mattchew case.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 25 2013 00:02 GMT
#3139
On September 25 2013 08:58 justanothertownie wrote:
If my opinion was of that much value to you, you could have asked btw.
So if it pleases you I will take another look at him, ok? When I first read the case it went exactly as I said: Sound logic - guy could be mafia. That's about it.

Right. And u had no curiosity to find out more?

Don't u want him moved out of null territory. Because null is what u just said.could be mafia.


I don't have a problem if u disagree with the case... I have a problem if u HAVE no stance

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