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On August 09 2013 23:23 Xatalos wrote:
Just a notice that I'll be relying on my phone (and its battery) for about 2 days so my activity will drop a bit during this time.
s0Lstice, would you act like you did during N0 again in retrospect? Who do you think should be Lord at N1 in your House?
If there is one takeaway from my explanation that you should be getting, it's that I think I'm in the right here. Yes, I would do the same thing again despite this retarded flack I'm getting.
Wait and see who I vote N1. This information will be made known to you later. For now, know that I have a pretty good idea of who I'm voting.
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On August 10 2013 01:18 Sharrant wrote:
I was briefly around yesterday, so I concentrated on PMs with Acro while I was reading the thread. I have not PM'ed anyone in quite some time as I have not been around. I should be here on and off up until the deadline.
There's been some talk of killing Kush. Kush and I have talked very little, but his attitude struck me as matching his town meta to a T. Obviously I can't quote the pm, but he openly admitted to being completely clueless about how teh game is operating/what had happened within our house during n0, while still having a big attitude about it.
I'm conflicted on this, because on one hand in smurf I could easily tell he was town, and pretty much everyone else could. But on the other hand he still got mislynched at LyLo and did not contribue meaningfully to the game.
I don't want him alive at LyLo again, but he is very likely town. I've been playing with Kush since my first game on TL, and I think I've gotten him right about 80% of the time. That said, I understand and even sympathize with wanting to kill him at this point. But I personally can't do so because I am relatively sure he's town, and town is town regardless of whether they're playing poorly or not. The only thing giving me any doubt is this: Does anyone know if Kush uses the term 'fag' or 'fags' at all?
I'm not confident enough to name anyone as scum until I've read the thread a few more times. Most of the big incidents in the thread are cookie cutter from other games I've played. Rayne twisting words around was exactly what he did to me until we both figured each other out as town in the last game we played. Oatsmaster and Yamato's fight earlier was also cookie cutter from the last game I was in with them, however a few things stuck out to me as different about both of them in this case. I will be starting to read through their exchange again. Does anyone else have specific things they think I should read or that they want opinions on?
I actually kinda like this explanation for kush being town.
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On August 10 2013 01:23 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 23:37 s0Lstice wrote:On August 09 2013 23:23 Xatalos wrote:
Just a notice that I'll be relying on my phone (and its battery) for about 2 days so my activity will drop a bit during this time.
s0Lstice, would you act like you did during N0 again in retrospect? Who do you think should be Lord at N1 in your House? If there is one takeaway from my explanation that you should be getting, it's that I think I'm in the right here. Yes, I would do the same thing again despite this retarded flack I'm getting. Wait and see who I vote N1. This information will be made known to you later. For now, know that I have a pretty good idea of who I'm voting. I can't understand why you would refuse to vote your townread and choose someone null/AFK over him. If DI was your townread, that means he almost completely certainly also was town, because he's a blatant scum as scum. There's just no sense in choosing somewhat likely scum over almost impossible scum as Lord. How can you disagree? What do you think of Dandel Ion now? What about Chromatically? Or Koshi?
Dandel is definitely town. Chromatically will depend on how his reads adjust as the game goes on. As I said earlier, I really didn't like how he clung to our whole argument seemingly without adopting any new information, especially when it came at the expense of doing anything else in thread as far as I can tell. He's asked me some good questions though that give me an impression he is trying to figure things out. I want to see which of those gives way. Koshi still looks scummy to me. I just got done talking him out of his big dead red scum read in PMs (Oats) with like 2 lines of text. There's times like this where he really just lacks conviction that makes me think his reads are a pretext.
It's obvious you can't understand my reasons for doing what I did. I'm not going to explain them again. It makes me nervous about you when you ask me the same question over and over expecting a different answer. What matters is if you think that I think that it was the best course for our house and town. If you think that, then whether it was right or wrong in your eyes is irrelevant.
Also, I'm asking you this again, tell me why I called Dandel town in my pursuit of the lordship, in essence undercutting my own run, if this was some big scum plot by me to discredit him and take the role for myself.
To the lords, how has Chrom been in PMs?
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On August 10 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, we need to start deciding stuff soon.
iamp, i am okay with your proposed shot. Lord KP should be used to vig lurkers, at least on N1.
How many of the lords do we want to vig a single target? 2? more? For me 2 seems fine.
As for lynch targets, so far i think:
Solstice - I called his thought process fishy earlier. This is what i meant. Solstice does not want Dandel to be a lord. He says, when Dandel is town, he probably does good stuff as a lord. When he is scum, he will most likely out himself. Then he doesn´t want to elect Dandel, because he can´t be sure if he is town. I don´t like that, at all. By Solstice´s thinking, he should definitely elect Dandel and noone else. It will give him a near 100% read on Dandel, as he himself said. Why does he not want to immediately figure out Dandel´s alignment? Later on he says that "Dandel will out him either way". Has he? I see no mention of Dandel´s alignment by Solstice after that.
johnnywup - There are two things why i think johnnywup is mafia. The first one is his overly defensive stance on his 3p thing. When being questioned about that in thread, his first comment is "other people did not find that scummy". That´s really going overboard if you are town, why would you be more interested to tell people that other people did not find you scummy rather than if they thought you were right or wrong and how did you end up in the conclusion? Another thing that stands out is johnnywup´s house member list. In itself list posts are bad, but this is worse. He hasn´t even put a single bit off thought into the lise (notice him not realizing in which house Vivax/Gumshoe are). Scummy as fuck.
Onegu - Onegu has not done anything. Lika anything at all. If you look at his posts he is entering rendom discussions for what? To have nothing to say. Look at when he tells he has already given his thoughts about Solstice & Clarity. His conclusion on Solstice is "we need to hear from him". Right. On Clarity he redacted from his town read because he was not willing find out about role names. So his whole discussion & conclusion is worthless. Now he is trying to figure out FirmTofu. Nothing on that front. scum.
Vigi list:
Sharrant
gumshoe
yamato77
jrkirby
Nachomamma8
kushm4sta
For the record, noone in my house has had any contact with me on D1. I have been PMing the other lords all the time i have been online, and i would expect if they have something to ask, they will. I am not going to try to do everything and i have had pretty much nothing to say to them. So FT/Risen/nachodude if you got something to ask or something you want to discuss feel free to PM me.
Vivax, when i asked you about my scumreads, why didn´t you answer me and asked me about someone else instead?
your whole paragraph on me is wrong. what are you doing Rayn?
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go ahead and tell me what you think of johnnywup claiming a town name to Acro in PMs without prompting while you're at it Rayn.
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On August 10 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:35 s0Lstice wrote:
go ahead and tell me what you think of johnnywup claiming a town name to Acro in PMs without prompting while you're at it Rayn. What do you mean by town name? Also how am i wrong on you? That´s exactly what i read from your post.
From what acro says, he claimed his role name because he thought it would look townie I.e. he has a town name. Why does he do that as scum? Or better, is it likely he does that as scum?
In regards to your paragraph on me, I never said dandel would do good things with the lordship as town. He was talking about shooting kush with our kp, and I argued that it should be used on a scumread if possible. I said I would do better. I have also said I am thinking dandel is town in the thread during this clusterfuck. I said it in pms too, my other house members will verify.
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On August 10 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:48 s0Lstice wrote:On August 10 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 10 2013 01:35 s0Lstice wrote:
go ahead and tell me what you think of johnnywup claiming a town name to Acro in PMs without prompting while you're at it Rayn. What do you mean by town name? Also how am i wrong on you? That´s exactly what i read from your post. From what acro says, he claimed his role name because he thought it would look townie I.e. he has a town name. Why does he do that as scum? Or better, is it likely he does that as scum? In regards to your paragraph on me, I never said dandel would do good things with the lordship as town. He was talking about shooting kush with our kp, and I argued that it should be used on a scumread if possible. I said I would do better. I have also said I am thinking dandel is town in the thread during this clusterfuck. I said it in pms too, my other house members will verify. It´s not alignment indicative as the role names are not alignment indicative. What if he is mafia and some role name that´s "town" in the lore and decided to claim it to look town? It´s all WIFOM and there is nothing alignment indicative in his claim. Or if there is, feel free to tell me why that claim could possibly not come from mafia. Fair enough. I was wrong in the "good things" part. I assumed you meant that when you said you would elect Dandel when you are 100% sure he is town. Why would you then elect someone who STILL does not do good things over yourself? I know you have said you think Dandel is town, are you 100% sure he is? Because from what i read from your post you would be if he was the lord now.
Yes role names are not alignment indicative. I wasn't saying they were. The point is johnny thought they were, otherwise why claim it at all? As scum, claim role name to appear town. As town, claim role name to appear town. Now which of these is more likely with the way it went down. 'Sup veteran Lord candidate, I'm X.' Does he do this as scum?
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On August 10 2013 01:54 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:31 s0Lstice wrote:On August 10 2013 01:23 Xatalos wrote:On August 09 2013 23:37 s0Lstice wrote:On August 09 2013 23:23 Xatalos wrote:
Just a notice that I'll be relying on my phone (and its battery) for about 2 days so my activity will drop a bit during this time.
s0Lstice, would you act like you did during N0 again in retrospect? Who do you think should be Lord at N1 in your House? If there is one takeaway from my explanation that you should be getting, it's that I think I'm in the right here. Yes, I would do the same thing again despite this retarded flack I'm getting. Wait and see who I vote N1. This information will be made known to you later. For now, know that I have a pretty good idea of who I'm voting. I can't understand why you would refuse to vote your townread and choose someone null/AFK over him. If DI was your townread, that means he almost completely certainly also was town, because he's a blatant scum as scum. There's just no sense in choosing somewhat likely scum over almost impossible scum as Lord. How can you disagree? What do you think of Dandel Ion now? What about Chromatically? Or Koshi? Dandel is definitely town. Chromatically will depend on how his reads adjust as the game goes on. As I said earlier, I really didn't like how he clung to our whole argument seemingly without adopting any new information, especially when it came at the expense of doing anything else in thread as far as I can tell. He's asked me some good questions though that give me an impression he is trying to figure things out. I want to see which of those gives way. Koshi still looks scummy to me. I just got done talking him out of his big dead red scum read in PMs (Oats) with like 2 lines of text. There's times like this where he really just lacks conviction that makes me think his reads are a pretext. It's obvious you can't understand my reasons for doing what I did. I'm not going to explain them again. It makes me nervous about you when you ask me the same question over and over expecting a different answer. What matters is if you think that I think that it was the best course for our house and town. If you think that, then whether it was right or wrong in your eyes is irrelevant. Also, I'm asking you this again, tell me why I called Dandel town in my pursuit of the lordship, in essence undercutting my own run, if this was some big scum plot by me to discredit him and take the role for myself. To the lords, how has Chrom been in PMs? I take it you are familiar with DI's meta. That means his alignment would (or at least should) be obvious to you pretty soon. That's why you certainly can't say that he's scummy as either alignment. Having him as a town read is pretty much forced on you even as scum. Your town read on him doesn't really say much about you. The problem is that despite your town read, you refused to vote for him for very weak reasons. I have a very hard time seeing how you'd do this as town. I have had moments where I have considered you being town, but I always come back to your N0 actions. It points too strongly to scum to disregard it as simply bad play. I like your "sidenote" about Koshi though. That seems like something town would say rather than scum.
This is correct, but there can still be a period of uncertainty. Can you not see how I could not be entirely sure when there are only 24 hours to figure it out, and no thread posting to go off of?
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On August 10 2013 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 02:07 s0Lstice wrote:On August 10 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 10 2013 01:48 s0Lstice wrote:On August 10 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 10 2013 01:35 s0Lstice wrote:
go ahead and tell me what you think of johnnywup claiming a town name to Acro in PMs without prompting while you're at it Rayn. What do you mean by town name? Also how am i wrong on you? That´s exactly what i read from your post. From what acro says, he claimed his role name because he thought it would look townie I.e. he has a town name. Why does he do that as scum? Or better, is it likely he does that as scum? In regards to your paragraph on me, I never said dandel would do good things with the lordship as town. He was talking about shooting kush with our kp, and I argued that it should be used on a scumread if possible. I said I would do better. I have also said I am thinking dandel is town in the thread during this clusterfuck. I said it in pms too, my other house members will verify. It´s not alignment indicative as the role names are not alignment indicative. What if he is mafia and some role name that´s "town" in the lore and decided to claim it to look town? It´s all WIFOM and there is nothing alignment indicative in his claim. Or if there is, feel free to tell me why that claim could possibly not come from mafia. Fair enough. I was wrong in the "good things" part. I assumed you meant that when you said you would elect Dandel when you are 100% sure he is town. Why would you then elect someone who STILL does not do good things over yourself? I know you have said you think Dandel is town, are you 100% sure he is? Because from what i read from your post you would be if he was the lord now. Yes role names are not alignment indicative. I wasn't saying they were. The point is johnny thought they were, otherwise why claim it at all? As scum, claim role name to appear town. As town, claim role name to appear town. Now which of these is more likely with the way it went down. 'Sup veteran Lord candidate, I'm X.' Does he do this as scum? Why is it impossible he would not do that as scum? Iam saying he could do that regardless of his alignment. If you are going to defend him by your argument you need to tell me why it´s impossible he would not do that as mafia. I just told you why he would do that as mafia.
Possible/impossible is the wrong dichotomy. You should be interested in likely/unlikely. Is it possible johnny does it as scum? Yea I guess. Likely? I say no
Tell me why he claims like that so early. It's really ballsy, careless, and got him in some pretty hot water from what it sounds like. Tell me why this is more likely than him just being derpy and thinking 'oh this guy was a good guy, i'll tell my house and they'll think I'm a good guy because I totes am.'
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Rayn, can you also tell me how your PM's with Chrom are going?
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On August 10 2013 02:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 02:24 s0Lstice wrote:On August 10 2013 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 10 2013 02:07 s0Lstice wrote:On August 10 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 10 2013 01:48 s0Lstice wrote:On August 10 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 10 2013 01:35 s0Lstice wrote:
go ahead and tell me what you think of johnnywup claiming a town name to Acro in PMs without prompting while you're at it Rayn. What do you mean by town name? Also how am i wrong on you? That´s exactly what i read from your post. From what acro says, he claimed his role name because he thought it would look townie I.e. he has a town name. Why does he do that as scum? Or better, is it likely he does that as scum? In regards to your paragraph on me, I never said dandel would do good things with the lordship as town. He was talking about shooting kush with our kp, and I argued that it should be used on a scumread if possible. I said I would do better. I have also said I am thinking dandel is town in the thread during this clusterfuck. I said it in pms too, my other house members will verify. It´s not alignment indicative as the role names are not alignment indicative. What if he is mafia and some role name that´s "town" in the lore and decided to claim it to look town? It´s all WIFOM and there is nothing alignment indicative in his claim. Or if there is, feel free to tell me why that claim could possibly not come from mafia. Fair enough. I was wrong in the "good things" part. I assumed you meant that when you said you would elect Dandel when you are 100% sure he is town. Why would you then elect someone who STILL does not do good things over yourself? I know you have said you think Dandel is town, are you 100% sure he is? Because from what i read from your post you would be if he was the lord now. Yes role names are not alignment indicative. I wasn't saying they were. The point is johnny thought they were, otherwise why claim it at all? As scum, claim role name to appear town. As town, claim role name to appear town. Now which of these is more likely with the way it went down. 'Sup veteran Lord candidate, I'm X.' Does he do this as scum? Why is it impossible he would not do that as scum? Iam saying he could do that regardless of his alignment. If you are going to defend him by your argument you need to tell me why it´s impossible he would not do that as mafia. I just told you why he would do that as mafia. Possible/impossible is the wrong dichotomy. You should be interested in likely/unlikely. Is it possible johnny does it as scum? Yea I guess. Likely? I say no Tell me why he claims like that so early. It's really ballsy, careless, and got him in some pretty hot water from what it sounds like. Tell me why this is more likely than him just being derpy and thinking 'oh this guy was a good guy, i'll tell my house and they'll think I'm a good guy because I totes am.' rofl, i have never said i think johnnywup is scummy because of his claim. Why are you trying to imply so? Or what do you mean with "got him in some pretty hot water from what it sounds like"?? If you are familiar with the lore, got a mafia role whose name was someone good in the show, why the fuck would you not claim your role name? There is no harm.
How is it not clear to you that I am trying to show you why I think johnny is town and your read is wrong?
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Oberyn, can you be more specific about what you and Chrom talked about and how/why that affected your read on him?
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here's where I'm at. order holds for the most part.
solid town
iamperfection obvious town. have agreed with essentially everything he has said/directs thread conversation to meaningful and useful places
Dandel Ion 1b. clear town meta
Oatsmaster Not really worried about drop off in activity. When he is here, he is abrasive, engaged, and unrelenting. Very much looks like town Oats
Rayn gives no fucks, unmistakable drive to solve the game
Xatalos again, clear interest in solving the game. Bonus points: he incorporated new info into his read and backed off me when he really didn't have to if he is scum.
Clarity once he got around to making some reads...looks just fine. poignant and analytical thought process.
leaning town
sharrant -- he has done one thing I really like, and that is provide some insight into kush when we had literally nothing else to go off of. sharing this info I view as really pro-town as scum he coulda just kept his mouth shut and enjoyed him getting vigged without interfering in the least.
Risen -- that crazy first huge post, man. agree with iamp here.
johnnywup -- because of his totally nutball role claim. risky and nonsensical as either alignment, hence more likely from town. scum are hyper aware of risk, and especially in johnny's case, I don't think he tries this as scum.
Chrom -- as I said earlier, our PM's show that he is genuinely interested in figuring out what the hell I am. He is too focused on me at the expense of other stuff for my taste, but this concern is alleviated somewhat by the fact that he seemed open to adjusting his read instead of just tunneling into oblivion.
kush -- for meta reasons, described by Sharrant
Koshi -- barely. the more I think about this, the thing that wins out is his persistence. imagine Koshi as scum. he is having to a)coordinate in the qt b)keep up with 3 people in PMs c)keep up with the thread. His entire house has a problem with him. and he has spent a lot of time as the go to lynch-bait in the thread. that is a LOT of heat, yet here he is, doing his thing with dogged determination I keep thinking that the most likely thing that is keeping him going is the righteous indignation of being accused from all sides as town. this requires the least number of assumptions for me.
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Vivax -- When he's posting, he looks fine. When he's not, which has been common, I'm wondering why he's not posting. Town Vivax knows he does not suck, can help town, and will try to browbeat people into doing what he thinks is right. He is prime for a wait and see approach.
s&b -- really no idea. Hasn't done shit, but the fact that he is in contact with his house and they aren't screaming for his lynch is enough for me for now.
Grack -- I disagree with Chrom and Dandel about his comments on our house situation. I think his thoughts showed genuine interest in figuring out what the hell went down. I don't agree with his conclusions, but I see it as him trying. This is balanced by a general feeling of blah I get from his filter. He just exists, and is not impactful.
null/scum
Oberyn -- a me-centric read. asks me all these questions about my DI vote, seemingly for no reason at all. votes me for what Onegu claims is a pressure vote, but does NOTHING as far as I can tell with the information that it got him. Not just directly from me, but from the rest of the thread. Is happy to just let the vote ride without a conclusive follow-up.
Onegu -- I just really have no strong feelings for him either way. It bothers me at this stage in the game.
FT -- Weak entrance into the thread. This wouldn't be a huge problem if he didn't trump it up and unroll the red carpet for himself to present this groundbreaking read he had. Smacks of pretext and posturing. I've observed a few games of his and I think he is scum more often than he actually is...but I can't ignore the Acro thing.
jkirby -- another one that cares enough to post, but to not actually think critically about what is going on in the thread. He does the same shit that Oberyn does in regards to me, but a diet version with less effort. Generally useless, could totes be scum.
scum
[red]yamato[red] -- I see no interest in solving the game. In his few appearances, instead of actually maximizing his use of time, he has ranted and argued, in an effort to do...what exactly? There is no way as town he comes into the thread like that and expects to sway a lynch onto s&b. His behavior and attitude do not match reality. Also don't like how he was apparently a vegetable in n0 PMs. Scum. Kill.
Acrofales -- behind the roleplaying is a really garbagey filter. he fills a lot of space to do not much of anything. the only post of his I really like, still, is the one where he talks about our in-house situation earlier today. Awful dealing with Oats. He is careful to not say he thinks Oats is scum, but then provides several reasons that paint him as scummy. He backs out of it all by saying he just wanted to see more from him..and what was the end result of that? Oats' activity has dropped off. Where is Acro now doing the follow-up on this? Awful vote on rayn during the argument over the supposed 'plan' that is afoot amongst the lords. I have trouble seeing the reasoning or intent behind either of these events. I feel like there has to be scum somewhere in the active people, and this is most likely it.
get vigged
NM8
gumshoe
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wow I probably should have refreshed.
I support this wagon. FT could def be scum.
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I think Onegu is town, but I don't particularly want to say why.
You can amend my list post as such.
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On August 10 2013 12:40 s0Lstice wrote:
I think Onegu is town, but I don't particularly want to say why.
You can amend my list post as such.
Hold on to your butts. I'm retracting this based on my Lords council.
I was attempting to apply dick move analysis, but it does not apply where I thought it did.
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On August 09 2013 13:22 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 12:44 FirmTofu wrote:
Hi! I'm finally back in thread! I'll be here with the sole purpose of catching up so you can count on some substantive posts soon. I only got to the 20s while I was at school/work reading on my phone.
Since rayn has already taken the liberty of addressing our house members, I won't bother to discuss that. As I continue reading, I would like to direct attention to Afrocales' first post. If anyone is around, please analyze it and tell me what you think of it. I'd like to bounce some ideas off of people about what it means. This is so scummy man. How about you analyze it, tell us what you think, and then bounce ideas around? Why are you jumping in on this Acro wagon without anything substantive? Seems to me you're soft-pushing an acro lynch without committing yourself.
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yea, ignore yamato
after him, i would really, really like to kill acro
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