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My initial reaction was RB real, but coming from town. Town RBers not super duper normal, town jailers being offensive N1 silly, but ... I actually trust the claim because most claims of getting shot/RBed are real unless it's Drazerk or someone.
But that doesn't mean scum RBed him.
Still like that lynch. 5T, do you have reason to be townie beyond the RB claim and the self-centric viewpoint? I get what you're saying there, but (1) DrH's alignment with relation to not lynching TG had already come up and (2) even if it falls under the rubric of "things town say more than scum," it's...almost GOT to be said. He can't ever mention DrH/onegu WITHOUT noting that the dude didn't lynch him. I think it's not as telling in this case, because that's literally ALL that DrH did in his 48 hours here - he popped in and didn't lynch. It's impossible to gloss over, and therefore it's not worth points either way imo.
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On July 24 2013 05:31 FiveTouch wrote:
I buy it. I think TG is town and scum are setting him up with the RB.
Think about it. If he's scum, why would he claim RB after claiming VT on D1? That doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective, because he'd have to answer weird questions like "Why would scum roleblock you if you claimed VT?" Still curious about this. Is it purely wrapped up in the RB claim and mention of Onegu?
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On July 24 2013 05:47 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:44 austinmcc wrote:On July 24 2013 05:31 FiveTouch wrote:
I buy it. I think TG is town and scum are setting him up with the RB.
Think about it. If he's scum, why would he claim RB after claiming VT on D1? That doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective, because he'd have to answer weird questions like "Why would scum roleblock you if you claimed VT?" Still curious about this. Is it purely wrapped up in the RB claim and mention of Onegu? I don't need to explain my townreads to you right now austin, unless TG is on the cusp of getting lynched, don't you worry about why I think TG is town. -VE No, you don't NEED to. But I realized what I wanted from you last night, when asking why you found TG scummy. I wanted...specifics, I wanted you to reference his vote on JJD, votepost, comment about discussion, the avoidance of talking about those things--the specific posts that led to the scumread that led to the wagon that led to the almost-lynch. You spoke in some general terms about things, but you never referenced the start of the wagon or my read or those posts.
Now, he's become a townread. But for reasons that have to do with setup speculation and WIFOM, not his posts, and you're still not going back to those and incorporating them into anything. Like I noted at night, I was watching for people to call TG/Oats scummy and still want to lynch other folks, but also watching for people who come off of them for little/no reason and onto other people. Right now, you blipped on that radar. It's a thing that could go either way, and you explaining yourself lets me know how to interpret this.
Beyond that, AMG CORA SCUM FOR MAKING ASSUMPTIONS AND DRAWING WEIRD CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE RB CLAIM BECAUSE I COME TO DIFFERENT ASSUMPTIONS AND WEIRD CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE RB CLAIM. I think that vote is poop soup.
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On July 24 2013 05:54 FiveTouch wrote:
So austin, what's your current Oats opinion?
~marv I still like him for scum, tbh. That one's more troubling than TG currently, but as someone with a fondness for being odd/useless/absent on D1 a decent amount of the time when town, he's doing more than that. He actively contributed little/nothing beyond yelling to lynch rayn. He didn't even vote or get involved in any sort of voting discussion until 6 minutes to go. His magical test didn't prevent him from getting more active during parts of N1.
I have a hard time reading someone who had his D1 as town. Just because he acts differently today does not undo his D1. To some extent, I interpret the different action as D1 "Woe is me I so sad I scum again and qqqqqq" and N1/D2 uptick in action as "HAHAHAHA SUCK IT TOWN, WE TOTALLY GOT A NO LYNCH AND NOW THIS GAME IS MORE ENJOYABLE."
It's not the only interpretation, and it's not my whole read on him, but the D1 attitude and play was SO scummy that I don't automatically come around on D2.
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On July 24 2013 05:56 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:52 austinmcc wrote:On July 24 2013 05:47 FiveTouch wrote:On July 24 2013 05:44 austinmcc wrote:On July 24 2013 05:31 FiveTouch wrote:
I buy it. I think TG is town and scum are setting him up with the RB.
Think about it. If he's scum, why would he claim RB after claiming VT on D1? That doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective, because he'd have to answer weird questions like "Why would scum roleblock you if you claimed VT?" Still curious about this. Is it purely wrapped up in the RB claim and mention of Onegu? I don't need to explain my townreads to you right now austin, unless TG is on the cusp of getting lynched, don't you worry about why I think TG is town. -VE No, you don't NEED to. But I realized what I wanted from you last night, when asking why you found TG scummy. I wanted...specifics, I wanted you to reference his vote on JJD, votepost, comment about discussion, the avoidance of talking about those things--the specific posts that led to the scumread that led to the wagon that led to the almost-lynch. You spoke in some general terms about things, but you never referenced the start of the wagon or my read or those posts. Now, he's become a townread. But for reasons that have to do with setup speculation and WIFOM, not his posts, and you're still not going back to those and incorporating them into anything. Like I noted at night, I was watching for people to call TG/Oats scummy and still want to lynch other folks, but also watching for people who come off of them for little/no reason and onto other people. Right now, you blipped on that radar. It's a thing that could go either way, and you explaining yourself lets me know how to interpret this. Beyond that, AMG CORA SCUM FOR MAKING ASSUMPTIONS AND DRAWING WEIRD CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE RB CLAIM BECAUSE I COME TO DIFFERENT ASSUMPTIONS AND WEIRD CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE RB CLAIM. I think that vote is poop soup. I didn't realize TG claimed VT overnight. I didn't notice that until filtering him today. I don't think scum would claim VT on D1 period, and I CERTAINLY don't think scum would claim RB on D2 after claiming VT on D1 austin. Is that specific enough for you? Yeah, that's ACTUALLY specific. Thanks.
So you value the claims more than the posts?
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On July 24 2013 06:06 FiveTouch wrote:
It's not that I value the claims or trust them to be true at face value, it's just the mindset required to make those claims AS scum is not one I think we have to worry about TG possessing. That's all I'm saying. His posts look bad, but they could come from bad town as well as bad scum. The claims push him into "likely town" for me. Seeing them as "bad", rather than "scummy" or..."wrong" or whatever, is where we differ here, and something I don't super get.
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On July 24 2013 06:11 FiveTouch wrote:
Why don't you explain exactly why whatever posts you are referring to have to come from a scum mindset rather than a town one, and maybe we can provide the alternative explanation and/or have a discussion about it?
At the moment you're just rambling like a weirdo and looking pretty bad to me to be honest.
~marv Sigh. You voted for him yesterday, you have the townie read on him now. Maybe you should have read his posts. VE called me scummy early N2, you think I look bad, but neither of you seems to have read ME either.
Main posts of TG D1 - + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2013 09:27 TanGeng wrote:I'm not even the most inactive in this game  Fuck! This is going to be bad for town. At this point I'm looking at the most active filter: getmoript. All this stuff looks townie for me right now. On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Votes JJD as pressure/suspicion 5 hours before deadline. Does so after reading getmoript, agress with getmoript. However getmoript had changed his vote a while previously, wasn't voting JJD, and either had said or said later that he got a townread on JJD. Implies either not actually reading filter, or just stopping at a candidate and throwing a vote there. Voting thread was 1 page, TG doesn't even look up to see that getmoript's vote no longer on JJD. On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. When pressured about his vote, says he wanted JJD to show up for discussion. Look at my posts below, but the questions/poking at his above post weren't just "What do you want from JJD?" On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote:I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. Focus on the bolded. Likes JJD for scum more than TAA. Those are his scumreads though, or scum-ish reads. On July 22 2013 12:55 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 12:45 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 12:39 FirmTofu wrote:
I would like to remind everyone that this game relies on majority voting. If we actually want a lynch today, we are going to have to consolidate on a single target. Start voting, people. Waiting on friggin' getmoript to post. Actually interested in their thoughts on TanGeng. I found that first post of his scummy, where he voted JJD. I found his absolutely refusal to give reason for it, while commenting on a couple of other things and just repeatedly ducking something like giving reasons for his vote or explaining a comment he made to be mind-boggling. I don't understand it as EITHER faction. He didn't say no, he just consciously avoided specific things and yet answered other questions and poked at me once or twice. I can't understand townies not giving reasoning for their votes/reads, especially when I've seen him do it. I can't understand mafia just straight up going "Nope nope nope, better not acknowledge that someone wants my read here, better just drop my head in the sand." Because it's not a read, yet, and if I'm probing, I am not going to telegraph how I will be probing. It isn't effective. I was clear that it was a pressure vote and I stand by that. Still not seeing where I am dropping head in the sand. Still being pressured. Now there was no read on JJD, just probing. Won't explain how/why. On July 22 2013 13:13 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 13:05 austinmcc wrote:
There's what I'm talking about. Big bolded bits are me asking you what discussion you wanted, why you were voting, whether it bothered you that getmoript, the hydra you read and whose suspicions you were voting off of, had unvoted, etc. etc. etc.
You talked about TAA. You talked about why TAA was also somewhat scummy. You talked about being left off of lists. About inactives. But dear sweet jesus you REFUSED to discuss your actual vote, what you wanted JJD to discuss, etc. etc.
I see I ignored you for the longest time and that was because I was read the thread and giving thought on other things, rather than wanting to reveal what questions I wanted to spring on JJD when he is back that he would want to answer because I had my vote on him. Also I don't think TAA is scum. What he did in his first series of posts can be considered scummy. Still won't reveal anything he wanted JJD to discuss (and never has). Doesn't think TAA scum, despite those 2 being his scumreads before. On July 22 2013 14:14 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 13:38 getmoript wrote:
Convince me you're town. Who do you think is scum and why? My top suspicions are actually Tofu & Rayne. Tofu for trying to opening up ultra townie and then flinging shit around. Rayne is more of a gut feeling for those series of one liners to Tofu instead of real analysis. I wanted to follow up on Rayne but it looks like he's off. Honestly I don't know who to vote at the moment for because the day one voting volume has been so low, it's hard to pick up on anything. Doesn't look like there will be much more before the deadline so: ##vote: FirmTofu Now rayn and Tofu are scum. Mentioned before? Nope. Voted either before? Nope.
My thoughts on the deal, won't explain further, but they're honestly right there in my filter and were there on D1, where you guys don't seem to have looked. One thing that I'm unsure on, whether it's scummy or...WHAT it is, is the REFUSAL to answer straight questions posed repeatedly, while answering anything else in posts - + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. On July 22 2013 10:00 austinmcc wrote:
My apologies.
Pretty please explain that sentence and your vote. On July 22 2013 10:34 austinmcc wrote:It's late in the evening
She's wondering what clothes to wear
I want to lynch TanGeng
For making this post right here.Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. (1) - Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 09:27 TanGeng wrote:I'm not even the most inactive in this game Fuck! This is going to be bad for town. At this point I'm looking at the most active filter: getmoript. All this stuff looks townie for me right now. Looks at getmoript's filter, doesn't mention all the TAA suspicion, the TAA vote, and apparently even though the voting thread is only one page, doesn't notice that getmoript's vote has moved and nobody is on JJD right now. (2) Initial pressure/suspicion vote with...5ish hours until deadline in a game that TanGeng has mentioned, at multiple points, is low activity. How is he pressuring? (3) Dat reason for voting. Vote him cuz he played conveniently (4) Repetetive "game is dead"/"I am useless"/"LOL I'm not most inactive town" comments. Checked nuclear, much more active there, has thoughts, follows up on thoughts. I don't care if he's busy, that's fine, but that post and vote are my least favorite thing in the thread right now. On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote:On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 10:50 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote:
Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it?
From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. Wut? It's interesting that he made a lurker list, and, assuming marv has been doing the posting, has basically ONLY made the lurker list and contributed little else, yet left you off of it. 48 hours to make a lurker list in a mini and he leaves a dude off. Just interesting for now. You say it's stupid. Anything else? Do you think it's alignment-indicative at all? But more importantly: Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote:On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote:
Okay. So can we actually get to JJD now? You wanted to vote him so that he'd come in and discuss, because he's been pretty absent.
But you've been absent, and you've mentioned that, and then you're repeatedly not discussing the JJD read/vote.
Is there specific discussion you want from him? Is the convenient timing on the entrance and then leaving a scummy convenience (I think timing CAN be scummy, but it's not always. Feel free to disagree with that if you think all/no convenient timing is scummy)? If you were reading/sheeping geript, do you like JJD for scum more than TAA? On July 22 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote:
Seriously, i'm interested here. You made that post, you made that vote, I'm trying to figure out why. On July 22 2013 11:35 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote:I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. As best as I can tell, TAA was calling FirmTofu kind of scummy or useless in that post. You disagree with the assessment and think TAA is just making a fluff post? Also, you like JJD for scum. But you voted him in hopes he gets in here and discusses stuff. What do you want him to discuss? What in particular did JJD do that's scummy? The convenient entry/exit? Something more? On July 22 2013 11:47 austinmcc wrote:
I don't even care anymore. I will give you my firstborn child if you will just answer questions about JJD.
You are here. You are answering all these other things. I will stop asking them. I will give you like...my first THREE kids. I will actually force someone to go through 27 months of labor and 3 deliveries just so that I can take the children and ship them to you if you will just talk about JJD and why he's scummy and what you want him to discuss. On July 22 2013 12:14 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 12:01 TanGeng wrote:
Argh, sometimes sharing these details is just a bad idea because then scum can meta the though process.
Coming into the post, JarJar jumped on Tofu who was the most obvious target and then leaves. This is most likely not indicative of scum as townies seem more likely to do it. But it does provide a quick way to try to pick up on some scum tells. The details that I'm asking for are...for you to explain why you were voting someone and comments you've made about them. I look at nuclear and I see posts where you lay out a thought process, reason through something, reach a conclusion. + Show Spoiler +On July 07 2013 19:12 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 18:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:-snip- On July 07 2013 10:19 austinmcc wrote:On July 07 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote:
The post-chez stuff is shitting up the thread but doing so in a very obvious and very...wrong way. If he's scum and just trying to get chez nuked, that seems silly AND is going to put a target on his head if chez were town (OMG CHEZ NUKED TOWN, NUKE CHEZ, OMG CHEZ WAS TOWN....NUKE ME?).
Therefore, I don't want to lynch him right now. Does this make sense, MZ? If he were scum, he's either trying to sac chez for credit or he's trying to get someone to nuke town chez for nuking town xat. (Or both are scum and then rayn wouldn't be doing this probs, because he'd look bad/odd when xat flipped) What, specifically, are you seeing in terms of him going from defensive --> shitting, and why does it give you a scumread? This is a good question and i want it answered too. Because i have not been defensive and i have not been shitting the thread. About Chezinu and his nuke: If Chezinu is town: - Nuke is real: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? If you think he is mafia, why would you not give reasons for your nuke? - Nuke is a dud or smth: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? Best case scenario is that nothing happens at the deadline, worst case scenario is town uses anti-nuke or something to stop the nuke, Chezinu get's lynched. Chezinu is crazy, but he is not stupid. Therefore i do not see a reason for him to nuke a player i see most likely to be town at this point. This also is Chezinu's nuke. If mafia used Chez's post as a cover to launch a silent nuke, he would have said that's the case already. If Chezinu is mafia: - Nuke is real and Chezinu launched it: Makes people go "no you can't be mafia for nuking at this point" like you all are. Townie dies. Profit! - Nuke is real and Chezinu's scumbuddy launched it: What i said before, but even better. If you get lynched for it, you don't lose the guy who is nuking. Double profit! - Nuke is a dud or smth: Make town to possibly waste anti-nuke or something to stop the "nuke". There are a lot of upsides in launching a nuke at this point for mafia. If Xatalos is mafia, launcing a dud nuke on your scumbuddy is brilliant. Regardless of Xatalos' affiliation you confuse the thread. There is zero benefit launching a nuke as town, even if you believed that Xatalos is mafia, all you can do is possibly fuck up town's play and sidetrack us to talk about something that is not relevant at all. Unless Chezinu outs his reasoning for nuking Xatalos, i'm keeping my vote on him. And no, insanity is not a reason. If Chezinu was Drazerk i could buy that, but he is not. He is a smart guy who is in some twisted way good at this shit. If someone disagrees with me, tell me where i am wrong. It's not that we've cleared Chezinu. In fact, he's still being looked at fairly hard. It's just that I'm not on board for immediate action. For town play, it's bad town play. But for scum play, it's bad too, because right now town has no information or leads to go on and doing this sort of thing immediately gives town a lead and potential for better analysis. At this point, I'm willing to wait for Chezinu's reasoning or for Xatalos's flip before acting on it. On July 08 2013 22:38 TanGeng wrote:
Ahh I see the issue. Yes, I was discussing the possibility that inactives may have suicided, although there are only a few players that might fall into that category now.
My thought process is that if there are many of Day 1 nukes, the scum could have one, and the play from johnnywup makes sense from the view point of a scum needing to fire nukes and arguing OMGUS on his lynch "bandwagon" and looking for any ground to justify someone to nuke. All his scumhunting logic is terrible. "2 or 3 scum going to bandwagon together on the first day?" That's highly unlikely. Scum are more likely to distance themselves from each other to sow confusion rather than appear as a bloc to the community. Scum day one distance each other.
If multiple nukes do not explode, we're left with either a true deadline claim and town or scum or a false deadline claim and scum from one person (and maybe Chez - but Chez fired almost immediately so that might be even earlier of a deadline). Although it is speculation, I don't think lonely scum Day 1 deadline is likely at all in the setup and I'm eliminating putting aside that possibility. A false claim strategy from scum just doesn't make any sense, and I don't see them pulling it off.
That leaves with only the town possibility.
On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 09 2013 05:43 TanGeng wrote:
Ok now 9 for ON and 8 for Dandel And what's your stance on this lynch? My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment. At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's. It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities. Town makes bad posts. Town often makes scummy posts. Whatever. I'm seeking the details to try and determine why you voted a dude you voted, regardless of any meta, because your reasons for voting are important. So again, let me ask some very specific things. And offer babies. Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote:On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. What are you hoping to discuss? Do you have any questions for him? Is there a specific read you want to see from him? Your vote was pressure/suspicion, so what is it that you want to see from him, and how does it help you read him? Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 12:01 TanGeng wrote:
Argh, sometimes sharing these details is just a bad idea because then scum can meta the though process.
Coming into the post, JarJar jumped on Tofu who was the most obvious target and then leaves. This is most likely not indicative of scum as townies seem more likely to do it. But it does provide a quick way to try to pick up on some scum tells. If JJD's jumping on and leaving is "most likely not indicative of scum," then why did you vote him? On July 22 2013 13:05 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 12:55 TanGeng wrote:On July 22 2013 12:45 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 12:39 FirmTofu wrote:
I would like to remind everyone that this game relies on majority voting. If we actually want a lynch today, we are going to have to consolidate on a single target. Start voting, people. Waiting on friggin' getmoript to post. Actually interested in their thoughts on TanGeng. I found that first post of his scummy, where he voted JJD. I found his absolutely refusal to give reason for it, while commenting on a couple of other things and just repeatedly ducking something like giving reasons for his vote or explaining a comment he made to be mind-boggling. I don't understand it as EITHER faction. He didn't say no, he just consciously avoided specific things and yet answered other questions and poked at me once or twice. I can't understand townies not giving reasoning for their votes/reads, especially when I've seen him do it. I can't understand mafia just straight up going "Nope nope nope, better not acknowledge that someone wants my read here, better just drop my head in the sand." Because it's not a read, yet, and if I'm probing, I am not going to telegraph how I will be probing. It isn't effective. I was clear that it was a pressure vote and I stand by that. Still not seeing where I am dropping head in the sand. + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit.
On July 22 2013 10:00 austinmcc wrote:
My apologies.
Pretty please explain that sentence and your vote. On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote:
Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it?
From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote:On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote:
Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it?
From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. On July 22 2013 10:50 austinmcc wrote:Wut? It's interesting that he made a lurker list, and, assuming marv has been doing the posting, has basically ONLY made the lurker list and contributed little else, yet left you off of it. 48 hours to make a lurker list in a mini and he leaves a dude off. Just interesting for now. You say it's stupid. Anything else? Do you think it's alignment-indicative at all? But more importantly:On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote:On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 11:03 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:50 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote:
Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it?
From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. Wut? It's interesting that he made a lurker list, and, assuming marv has been doing the posting, has basically ONLY made the lurker list and contributed little else, yet left you off of it. 48 hours to make a lurker list in a mini and he leaves a dude off. Just interesting for now. You say it's stupid. Anything else? Do you think it's alignment-indicative at all? Looking at the post timing, it wasn't that bad of any omission at the time. I don't see it as alignment indicative. On July 22 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote:
Okay. So can we actually get to JJD now? You wanted to vote him so that he'd come in and discuss, because he's been pretty absent.
But you've been absent, and you've mentioned that, and then you're repeatedly not discussing the JJD read/vote.
Is there specific discussion you want from him? Is the convenient timing on the entrance and then leaving a scummy convenience (I think timing CAN be scummy, but it's not always. Feel free to disagree with that if you think all/no convenient timing is scummy)? If you were reading/sheeping geript, do you like JJD for scum more than TAA? On July 22 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote:
Seriously, i'm interested here. You made that post, you made that vote, I'm trying to figure out why. On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote:I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. On July 22 2013 11:35 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote:I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. As best as I can tell, TAA was calling FirmTofu kind of scummy or useless in that post. You disagree with the assessment and think TAA is just making a fluff post? Also, you like JJD for scum. But you voted him in hopes he gets in here and discusses stuff. What do you want him to discuss? What in particular did JJD do that's scummy? The convenient entry/exit? Something more? On July 22 2013 11:47 austinmcc wrote:
I don't even care anymore. I will give you my firstborn child if you will just answer questions about JJD.
You are here. You are answering all these other things. I will stop asking them. I will give you like...my first THREE kids. I will actually force someone to go through 27 months of labor and 3 deliveries just so that I can take the children and ship them to you if you will just talk about JJD and why he's scummy and what you want him to discuss. There's what I'm talking about. Big bolded bits are me asking you what discussion you wanted, why you were voting, whether it bothered you that getmoript, the hydra you read and whose suspicions you were voting off of, had unvoted, etc. etc. etc. You talked about TAA. You talked about why TAA was also somewhat scummy. You talked about being left off of lists. About inactives. But dear sweet jesus you REFUSED to discuss your actual vote, what you wanted JJD to discuss, etc. etc.
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On July 24 2013 06:27 FiveTouch wrote:
I think the chances of a rolecop checking himself for insanity is....far fetched. Everyone vote Corazon because he's a liar.
-VE WHY WOULD SCUM TG CLAIM VT AND THEN TO BE RBED?
Should probably be followed by
WHY WOULD SCUM CORA CLAIM ROLECOP WHO ONLY CHECKED HIMSELF?
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On July 24 2013 06:32 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:28 austinmcc wrote:On July 24 2013 06:11 FiveTouch wrote:
Why don't you explain exactly why whatever posts you are referring to have to come from a scum mindset rather than a town one, and maybe we can provide the alternative explanation and/or have a discussion about it?
At the moment you're just rambling like a weirdo and looking pretty bad to me to be honest.
~marv Sigh. You voted for him yesterday, you have the townie read on him now. Maybe you should have read his posts. VE called me scummy early N2, you think I look bad, but neither of you seems to have read ME either. Main posts of TG D1 - + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2013 09:27 TanGeng wrote:I'm not even the most inactive in this game Fuck! This is going to be bad for town. At this point I'm looking at the most active filter: getmoript. All this stuff looks townie for me right now. On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Votes JJD as pressure/suspicion 5 hours before deadline. Does so after reading getmoript, agress with getmoript. However getmoript had changed his vote a while previously, wasn't voting JJD, and either had said or said later that he got a townread on JJD. Implies either not actually reading filter, or just stopping at a candidate and throwing a vote there. Voting thread was 1 page, TG doesn't even look up to see that getmoript's vote no longer on JJD. On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. When pressured about his vote, says he wanted JJD to show up for discussion. Look at my posts below, but the questions/poking at his above post weren't just "What do you want from JJD?" On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote:I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. Focus on the bolded. Likes JJD for scum more than TAA. Those are his scumreads though, or scum-ish reads. On July 22 2013 12:55 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 12:45 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 12:39 FirmTofu wrote:
I would like to remind everyone that this game relies on majority voting. If we actually want a lynch today, we are going to have to consolidate on a single target. Start voting, people. Waiting on friggin' getmoript to post. Actually interested in their thoughts on TanGeng. I found that first post of his scummy, where he voted JJD. I found his absolutely refusal to give reason for it, while commenting on a couple of other things and just repeatedly ducking something like giving reasons for his vote or explaining a comment he made to be mind-boggling. I don't understand it as EITHER faction. He didn't say no, he just consciously avoided specific things and yet answered other questions and poked at me once or twice. I can't understand townies not giving reasoning for their votes/reads, especially when I've seen him do it. I can't understand mafia just straight up going "Nope nope nope, better not acknowledge that someone wants my read here, better just drop my head in the sand." Because it's not a read, yet, and if I'm probing, I am not going to telegraph how I will be probing. It isn't effective. I was clear that it was a pressure vote and I stand by that. Still not seeing where I am dropping head in the sand. Still being pressured. Now there was no read on JJD, just probing. Won't explain how/why. On July 22 2013 13:13 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 13:05 austinmcc wrote:
There's what I'm talking about. Big bolded bits are me asking you what discussion you wanted, why you were voting, whether it bothered you that getmoript, the hydra you read and whose suspicions you were voting off of, had unvoted, etc. etc. etc.
You talked about TAA. You talked about why TAA was also somewhat scummy. You talked about being left off of lists. About inactives. But dear sweet jesus you REFUSED to discuss your actual vote, what you wanted JJD to discuss, etc. etc.
I see I ignored you for the longest time and that was because I was read the thread and giving thought on other things, rather than wanting to reveal what questions I wanted to spring on JJD when he is back that he would want to answer because I had my vote on him. Also I don't think TAA is scum. What he did in his first series of posts can be considered scummy. Still won't reveal anything he wanted JJD to discuss (and never has). Doesn't think TAA scum, despite those 2 being his scumreads before. On July 22 2013 14:14 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 13:38 getmoript wrote:
Convince me you're town. Who do you think is scum and why? My top suspicions are actually Tofu & Rayne. Tofu for trying to opening up ultra townie and then flinging shit around. Rayne is more of a gut feeling for those series of one liners to Tofu instead of real analysis. I wanted to follow up on Rayne but it looks like he's off. Honestly I don't know who to vote at the moment for because the day one voting volume has been so low, it's hard to pick up on anything. Doesn't look like there will be much more before the deadline so: ##vote: FirmTofu Now rayn and Tofu are scum. Mentioned before? Nope. Voted either before? Nope. My thoughts on the deal, won't explain further, but they're honestly right there in my filter and were there on D1, where you guys don't seem to have looked. One thing that I'm unsure on, whether it's scummy or...WHAT it is, is the REFUSAL to answer straight questions posed repeatedly, while answering anything else in posts - + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. On July 22 2013 10:00 austinmcc wrote:
My apologies.
Pretty please explain that sentence and your vote. On July 22 2013 10:34 austinmcc wrote:It's late in the evening
She's wondering what clothes to wear
I want to lynch TanGeng
For making this post right here.Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. (1) - Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 09:27 TanGeng wrote:I'm not even the most inactive in this game Fuck! This is going to be bad for town. At this point I'm looking at the most active filter: getmoript. All this stuff looks townie for me right now. Looks at getmoript's filter, doesn't mention all the TAA suspicion, the TAA vote, and apparently even though the voting thread is only one page, doesn't notice that getmoript's vote has moved and nobody is on JJD right now. (2) Initial pressure/suspicion vote with...5ish hours until deadline in a game that TanGeng has mentioned, at multiple points, is low activity. How is he pressuring? (3) Dat reason for voting. Vote him cuz he played conveniently (4) Repetetive "game is dead"/"I am useless"/"LOL I'm not most inactive town" comments. Checked nuclear, much more active there, has thoughts, follows up on thoughts. I don't care if he's busy, that's fine, but that post and vote are my least favorite thing in the thread right now. On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote:On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 10:50 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote:
Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it?
From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. Wut? It's interesting that he made a lurker list, and, assuming marv has been doing the posting, has basically ONLY made the lurker list and contributed little else, yet left you off of it. 48 hours to make a lurker list in a mini and he leaves a dude off. Just interesting for now. You say it's stupid. Anything else? Do you think it's alignment-indicative at all? But more importantly: Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote:On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote:
Okay. So can we actually get to JJD now? You wanted to vote him so that he'd come in and discuss, because he's been pretty absent.
But you've been absent, and you've mentioned that, and then you're repeatedly not discussing the JJD read/vote.
Is there specific discussion you want from him? Is the convenient timing on the entrance and then leaving a scummy convenience (I think timing CAN be scummy, but it's not always. Feel free to disagree with that if you think all/no convenient timing is scummy)? If you were reading/sheeping geript, do you like JJD for scum more than TAA? On July 22 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote:
Seriously, i'm interested here. You made that post, you made that vote, I'm trying to figure out why. On July 22 2013 11:35 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote:I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. As best as I can tell, TAA was calling FirmTofu kind of scummy or useless in that post. You disagree with the assessment and think TAA is just making a fluff post? Also, you like JJD for scum. But you voted him in hopes he gets in here and discusses stuff. What do you want him to discuss? What in particular did JJD do that's scummy? The convenient entry/exit? Something more? On July 22 2013 11:47 austinmcc wrote:
I don't even care anymore. I will give you my firstborn child if you will just answer questions about JJD.
You are here. You are answering all these other things. I will stop asking them. I will give you like...my first THREE kids. I will actually force someone to go through 27 months of labor and 3 deliveries just so that I can take the children and ship them to you if you will just talk about JJD and why he's scummy and what you want him to discuss. On July 22 2013 12:14 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 12:01 TanGeng wrote:
Argh, sometimes sharing these details is just a bad idea because then scum can meta the though process.
Coming into the post, JarJar jumped on Tofu who was the most obvious target and then leaves. This is most likely not indicative of scum as townies seem more likely to do it. But it does provide a quick way to try to pick up on some scum tells. The details that I'm asking for are...for you to explain why you were voting someone and comments you've made about them. I look at nuclear and I see posts where you lay out a thought process, reason through something, reach a conclusion. + Show Spoiler +On July 07 2013 19:12 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 18:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:-snip- On July 07 2013 10:19 austinmcc wrote:On July 07 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote:
The post-chez stuff is shitting up the thread but doing so in a very obvious and very...wrong way. If he's scum and just trying to get chez nuked, that seems silly AND is going to put a target on his head if chez were town (OMG CHEZ NUKED TOWN, NUKE CHEZ, OMG CHEZ WAS TOWN....NUKE ME?).
Therefore, I don't want to lynch him right now. Does this make sense, MZ? If he were scum, he's either trying to sac chez for credit or he's trying to get someone to nuke town chez for nuking town xat. (Or both are scum and then rayn wouldn't be doing this probs, because he'd look bad/odd when xat flipped) What, specifically, are you seeing in terms of him going from defensive --> shitting, and why does it give you a scumread? This is a good question and i want it answered too. Because i have not been defensive and i have not been shitting the thread. About Chezinu and his nuke: If Chezinu is town: - Nuke is real: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? If you think he is mafia, why would you not give reasons for your nuke? - Nuke is a dud or smth: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? Best case scenario is that nothing happens at the deadline, worst case scenario is town uses anti-nuke or something to stop the nuke, Chezinu get's lynched. Chezinu is crazy, but he is not stupid. Therefore i do not see a reason for him to nuke a player i see most likely to be town at this point. This also is Chezinu's nuke. If mafia used Chez's post as a cover to launch a silent nuke, he would have said that's the case already. If Chezinu is mafia: - Nuke is real and Chezinu launched it: Makes people go "no you can't be mafia for nuking at this point" like you all are. Townie dies. Profit! - Nuke is real and Chezinu's scumbuddy launched it: What i said before, but even better. If you get lynched for it, you don't lose the guy who is nuking. Double profit! - Nuke is a dud or smth: Make town to possibly waste anti-nuke or something to stop the "nuke". There are a lot of upsides in launching a nuke at this point for mafia. If Xatalos is mafia, launcing a dud nuke on your scumbuddy is brilliant. Regardless of Xatalos' affiliation you confuse the thread. There is zero benefit launching a nuke as town, even if you believed that Xatalos is mafia, all you can do is possibly fuck up town's play and sidetrack us to talk about something that is not relevant at all. Unless Chezinu outs his reasoning for nuking Xatalos, i'm keeping my vote on him. And no, insanity is not a reason. If Chezinu was Drazerk i could buy that, but he is not. He is a smart guy who is in some twisted way good at this shit. If someone disagrees with me, tell me where i am wrong. It's not that we've cleared Chezinu. In fact, he's still being looked at fairly hard. It's just that I'm not on board for immediate action. For town play, it's bad town play. But for scum play, it's bad too, because right now town has no information or leads to go on and doing this sort of thing immediately gives town a lead and potential for better analysis. At this point, I'm willing to wait for Chezinu's reasoning or for Xatalos's flip before acting on it. On July 08 2013 22:38 TanGeng wrote:
Ahh I see the issue. Yes, I was discussing the possibility that inactives may have suicided, although there are only a few players that might fall into that category now.
My thought process is that if there are many of Day 1 nukes, the scum could have one, and the play from johnnywup makes sense from the view point of a scum needing to fire nukes and arguing OMGUS on his lynch "bandwagon" and looking for any ground to justify someone to nuke. All his scumhunting logic is terrible. "2 or 3 scum going to bandwagon together on the first day?" That's highly unlikely. Scum are more likely to distance themselves from each other to sow confusion rather than appear as a bloc to the community. Scum day one distance each other.
If multiple nukes do not explode, we're left with either a true deadline claim and town or scum or a false deadline claim and scum from one person (and maybe Chez - but Chez fired almost immediately so that might be even earlier of a deadline). Although it is speculation, I don't think lonely scum Day 1 deadline is likely at all in the setup and I'm eliminating putting aside that possibility. A false claim strategy from scum just doesn't make any sense, and I don't see them pulling it off.
That leaves with only the town possibility.
On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 09 2013 05:43 TanGeng wrote:
Ok now 9 for ON and 8 for Dandel And what's your stance on this lynch? My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment. At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's. It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities. Town makes bad posts. Town often makes scummy posts. Whatever. I'm seeking the details to try and determine why you voted a dude you voted, regardless of any meta, because your reasons for voting are important. So again, let me ask some very specific things. And offer babies. Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote:On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. What are you hoping to discuss? Do you have any questions for him? Is there a specific read you want to see from him? Your vote was pressure/suspicion, so what is it that you want to see from him, and how does it help you read him? Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 12:01 TanGeng wrote:
Argh, sometimes sharing these details is just a bad idea because then scum can meta the though process.
Coming into the post, JarJar jumped on Tofu who was the most obvious target and then leaves. This is most likely not indicative of scum as townies seem more likely to do it. But it does provide a quick way to try to pick up on some scum tells. If JJD's jumping on and leaving is "most likely not indicative of scum," then why did you vote him? On July 22 2013 13:05 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 12:55 TanGeng wrote:On July 22 2013 12:45 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 12:39 FirmTofu wrote:
I would like to remind everyone that this game relies on majority voting. If we actually want a lynch today, we are going to have to consolidate on a single target. Start voting, people. Waiting on friggin' getmoript to post. Actually interested in their thoughts on TanGeng. I found that first post of his scummy, where he voted JJD. I found his absolutely refusal to give reason for it, while commenting on a couple of other things and just repeatedly ducking something like giving reasons for his vote or explaining a comment he made to be mind-boggling. I don't understand it as EITHER faction. He didn't say no, he just consciously avoided specific things and yet answered other questions and poked at me once or twice. I can't understand townies not giving reasoning for their votes/reads, especially when I've seen him do it. I can't understand mafia just straight up going "Nope nope nope, better not acknowledge that someone wants my read here, better just drop my head in the sand." Because it's not a read, yet, and if I'm probing, I am not going to telegraph how I will be probing. It isn't effective. I was clear that it was a pressure vote and I stand by that. Still not seeing where I am dropping head in the sand. + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit.
On July 22 2013 10:00 austinmcc wrote:
My apologies.
Pretty please explain that sentence and your vote. On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote:
Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it?
From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote:On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote:
Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it?
From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. On July 22 2013 10:50 austinmcc wrote:Wut? It's interesting that he made a lurker list, and, assuming marv has been doing the posting, has basically ONLY made the lurker list and contributed little else, yet left you off of it. 48 hours to make a lurker list in a mini and he leaves a dude off. Just interesting for now. You say it's stupid. Anything else? Do you think it's alignment-indicative at all? But more importantly:On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote:On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 11:03 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:50 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote:
Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it?
From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. Wut? It's interesting that he made a lurker list, and, assuming marv has been doing the posting, has basically ONLY made the lurker list and contributed little else, yet left you off of it. 48 hours to make a lurker list in a mini and he leaves a dude off. Just interesting for now. You say it's stupid. Anything else? Do you think it's alignment-indicative at all? Looking at the post timing, it wasn't that bad of any omission at the time. I don't see it as alignment indicative. On July 22 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote:
Okay. So can we actually get to JJD now? You wanted to vote him so that he'd come in and discuss, because he's been pretty absent.
But you've been absent, and you've mentioned that, and then you're repeatedly not discussing the JJD read/vote.
Is there specific discussion you want from him? Is the convenient timing on the entrance and then leaving a scummy convenience (I think timing CAN be scummy, but it's not always. Feel free to disagree with that if you think all/no convenient timing is scummy)? If you were reading/sheeping geript, do you like JJD for scum more than TAA? On July 22 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote:
Seriously, i'm interested here. You made that post, you made that vote, I'm trying to figure out why. On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote:I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. On July 22 2013 11:35 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote:I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. As best as I can tell, TAA was calling FirmTofu kind of scummy or useless in that post. You disagree with the assessment and think TAA is just making a fluff post? Also, you like JJD for scum. But you voted him in hopes he gets in here and discusses stuff. What do you want him to discuss? What in particular did JJD do that's scummy? The convenient entry/exit? Something more? On July 22 2013 11:47 austinmcc wrote:
I don't even care anymore. I will give you my firstborn child if you will just answer questions about JJD.
You are here. You are answering all these other things. I will stop asking them. I will give you like...my first THREE kids. I will actually force someone to go through 27 months of labor and 3 deliveries just so that I can take the children and ship them to you if you will just talk about JJD and why he's scummy and what you want him to discuss. There's what I'm talking about. Big bolded bits are me asking you what discussion you wanted, why you were voting, whether it bothered you that getmoript, the hydra you read and whose suspicions you were voting off of, had unvoted, etc. etc. etc. You talked about TAA. You talked about why TAA was also somewhat scummy. You talked about being left off of lists. About inactives. But dear sweet jesus you REFUSED to discuss your actual vote, what you wanted JJD to discuss, etc. etc. No, you don't get to pull this bullshit on me austin. I just browsed some of those posts, and they are you describing what Tangeng posted and saying they were scummy. Fine. I want to know exactly what posts HAVE to be from a scum mindset. You just post useless blurb all over the place. Create NEW content on exactly which posts you can't reconcile with a townie-TG. You've created a narrative, but I want to know exactly what part of your narrative you find so convincing, else it's just a narrative. ~marv P.S. he probably doesn't answer your questions because they're lost in dense blurb. The vote specifically. See the very first post there, what set everything off. The ... shifting reads, these three posts.On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote:I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. I'm scummy on JJD. Here's a scummy post from TAA but I don't think he's scum.
On July 22 2013 12:55 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 12:45 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 12:39 FirmTofu wrote:
I would like to remind everyone that this game relies on majority voting. If we actually want a lynch today, we are going to have to consolidate on a single target. Start voting, people. Waiting on friggin' getmoript to post. Actually interested in their thoughts on TanGeng. I found that first post of his scummy, where he voted JJD. I found his absolutely refusal to give reason for it, while commenting on a couple of other things and just repeatedly ducking something like giving reasons for his vote or explaining a comment he made to be mind-boggling. I don't understand it as EITHER faction. He didn't say no, he just consciously avoided specific things and yet answered other questions and poked at me once or twice. I can't understand townies not giving reasoning for their votes/reads, especially when I've seen him do it. I can't understand mafia just straight up going "Nope nope nope, better not acknowledge that someone wants my read here, better just drop my head in the sand." Because it's not a read, yet, and if I'm probing, I am not going to telegraph how I will be probing. It isn't effective. I was clear that it was a pressure vote and I stand by that. Still not seeing where I am dropping head in the sand. There was no read yet (it's now 2 hours to lynch and there are no reads). He was just probing.
On July 22 2013 14:14 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 13:38 getmoript wrote:
Convince me you're town. Who do you think is scum and why? My top suspicions are actually Tofu & Rayne. Tofu for trying to opening up ultra townie and then flinging shit around. Rayne is more of a gut feeling for those series of one liners to Tofu instead of real analysis. I wanted to follow up on Rayne but it looks like he's off. Honestly I don't know who to vote at the moment for because the day one voting volume has been so low, it's hard to pick up on anything. Doesn't look like there will be much more before the deadline so: ##vote: FirmTofu 1:15 later, Tofu and rayn are top suspicions. Out of pretty much nowhere.
His original vote was sheeping a dude who wasn't even scummy on someone anymore and wasn't voting them, for REALLY bad reasons, ESPECIALLY if he had actual scumreads in tofu and rayn. He went from scummy on JJD to no read and scummy on these other bros.
Those are the main posts. I apologize for presuming that you read the filter of the dude you guys voted for. Yeah, there's plenty of crap in there, but there are very explicit questions, and promises of multiple children for explanations.
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On July 24 2013 06:40 FiveTouch wrote:
austin, I can quite happily ignore you for the rest of the game if you're gonna be a sarcastic douche. Just saying bro.
~marv Yeah, it's a bit overly sarcastic in its douchiness. But from my end, this is the dude you voted for last night. I know you're hydraed, but this guy is the guy you voted for, wanted to lynch. His filter isn't giant, the stuff that gave me a scumread and started the wagon on him is contained within a small number of posts. You may not have read them, or the reasons the wagon got rolling, maybe you were absent and haven't looked it back over.
Which is...fine. But you ought to be able to see why that might trouble me? The two of you together possibly not having read the reason that wagon got rolling in the first place? Possibly not having read some of the few posts that the guy you voted for made.
Overly sarcastic, yes. But you act like I need to present specific posts to you on a red carpet, whereas I'm acting like you should have already read them because you voted a guy and joined a wagon.
As far as explaining why they can ONLY come from scum...I'm not going to do that? I honestly find that request peculiar. I'm not dealing with a claim or anything, these are specific posts and actions I find scummy. It's POSSIBLE they come from town, that's how almost every last scummy thing ever happens. Like...almost never does someone's case involve "here is why all of these posts and actions could 100% only come from scum and never from town." You're asking for something that's almost never done, and is ridiculous.
As to why they're LIKELY from mafia, read the vote. He read getmoript's filter, voted JJD because of getmoript's "convenient" comment. However, getmoript had changed his vote, changed his suspicions, and called JJD town. Saying you read a filter and are sheeping a vote when it's not that guy's vote anymore is curious for town. ESPECIALLY curious is doing that and then...not really owning up to it? A townie who does something that weird goes "Oops, my bad, totally didn't notice getmoript calling JJD town later and moving his vote." Which TG never does. He doubles down on "I never had a read, was just pressuring."
Furthermore, look at the reads. There's generic "not scumhunting" in that he doesn't seem to have scumreads until right before deadline, and then it's some people who came up in discussion. But he's voted a dude he has no read on, compares him to another dude who he doesn't think is scum but here's his most scummy post, and then only way way way later after all of this jazz does he have some scumreads. I don't like that voting progression, don't like how his reads NEVER come up until the very end of the night, at which point it's not like anything is going to happen with em.
I find both those things to be different from Nuclear TanGeng. He wasn't around long, but he's got reasoned out posts, he looks at the Chez nuke on D1 from a couple angles, decides what he thinks is likely, discusses with other people why something makes sense or doesn't. Here, his vote is to pressure a dude that nobody is voting for reasons that are outdated and weak, he has no scumreads until the very end of the day, and his actual posts and play feel far less involved. Not just number of posts, but they don't take something, analyze it, come ot a conclusion.
More importantly, that response to the claim makes all this a bit unnecessary today, because I agree wholeheartedly that it's not a townie response (one of the few things that really isn't ever what a townie would do)
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On July 24 2013 07:04 FiveTouch wrote:
My head hurts right now if I'm honest.
Would quite like getmoript/austin/whoever's general input on the whole claiming situation. Hard to work out alone.
~marv I think getmoript's timing is alright, and his choice of targets makes sense. Having just claimed mafia two games ago in a situation where I thought I was pegged, his post looks almost exactly like my reaction to getting "caught." So, I believe TAA is red, and I guess then believe getmoript is actually a cop. He's not been in my scummy list, therefore I don't see this as some kind of action. So if TAA is red, getmoript very likely cop.
Corazon's counter is funky. Especially given that he claims rolecop who copped himself. Either he just ROYALLY screwed up a counterclaim, or he's serious. I can understand him not thinking we'd have that many powerroles. I can understand TG's saying we might have miller/GF(s). To some extent though, Corazon's argument doesn't make sense internally to me.
Corazon claims rolecop. Says he did so because unlikely town has the roles that have been claimed. I don't think a rolecop seems particularly useful UNLESS there are a decent number of powerroles. Rolecop is something I think I only ever see in PTP or themed games, where there are lots of roles. If it's like...half VTs then a rolecop ain't super duper useful. The fact that he doesn't think we have the claimed roles BUT knows from getting a result back that he's a rolecop...is odd.
But honestly, why does scum fakeclaim rolecop? If you claim regular cop, you can give alignments. If you claim rolecop, you're in some DEEP shit, because maybe town orders you to check specific folks, and you can't just make up roles. In a closed setup, rolecop is an AWFUL choice for a fakeclaim. So, despite thinking the "we can't have this many powerroles" thing is inconsistent with having a rolecop, I believe both claims atm?
tl;dr - TAA's reaction makes him likely red, Getmoript wasn't scummy before, therefore getmoript likely cop. Corazon's rolecop claim seems like an awful choice to fakeclaim, therefore likely true but not alignment indicative. Seriously, rolecop is right up there with claiming innocent child IMO in terms of bad fakeclaims.
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I would never ever ever ever check myself even if I was explicitly told I didn't know sanity.
I dunno, it's just not how I would try to puzzle that one out. I would focus on getting checks first, then figuring out whether they were trustworthy second, based on either flips or always getting red or whatever.
I can understand wanting to confirm sanity, it's just an odd choice from my point of view, because I would value MOAR CHECKS over sanity, whereas you are saying you valued sanity over checks.
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On July 24 2013 07:27 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well remember austin, I replace in and went to sleep 3 hours later. I didn't have very many concrete reads, so I thought I'd just check sanity. Yeah, that is slightly wonky, but still. You give me a blue PM, I'm gonna DO stuff with it. Like I read that I'm a cop, whether role or alignment or anything else, I'm immediately gonna try and use my role to get info on someone else.
To me, checking yourself is basically NOT using your role for a night. Yes, it may help you with the side issue of sanity, but you're explicitly passing up a check on another person. I don't think I've seen anyone check themselves evurr as the first check.
I don't think it's inexplicable. I can understand working on a short timeframe. But the mindset that you are saying you had is just at odds with the mindset that I would have the moment I read anything that sounded like a DT PM. All I want to do is get as much bonus info on other people as possible, to try and make my votes/reads/cases/etc. better. Sanity will play out as the game progresses.
I still don't think someone fake claims ROLE cop as scum, though.
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This got really, really odd.
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On July 24 2013 07:57 FirmTofu wrote:
If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask. If you want me to vote for anyone other than TG or jrkirby today, you're going to have to make a really solid case against them and convince me. Given TAA's reaction post, you think it's more likely that:
(1) getmoript is not actually a cop, fakeclaiming a red check on a scumread of his, who responded in that manner but is town AND TG or jrkirby is scum (which I still agree with on TG)
than
(2) getmoript either is or isn't a cop, nobody cares, and TAA is scum
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On July 24 2013 12:21 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 12:15 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok this is really stupid...a town RB, 2 invest, and a vigilante. Someone is lying.
##Unvote
I'm going either Getmoript or TAA. How is it not TAA? Because it seems like fun to lynch geript and WoS here. Just for giggles.
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The timing on the first claim --> wait --> blue claim is curious. TAA, care to explain your initial post?
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On July 24 2013 12:33 FirmTofu wrote:
Yeah, TAA and I totally planned his idiotic claim together. I orchestrated it to make both of us look like scum so that we could be lynched in quick succession. What a great fucking idea! If you were looking at some of the recent posts that you've made from the outside, they would look really odd and difficult to explain. They really look like you're trying to avoid lynching someone who was redchecked while not calling that person town/not distrusting the cop claim.
You may be town and Lieutenant Angrypants may be wrong in calling you scum, but your whole mindset on things since getmoript's claim has been funky. Everyone else isn't going one way because they're overlooking some likely scenario, imo.
Like, again, On July 24 2013 08:06 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 07:59 austinmcc wrote:On July 24 2013 07:57 FirmTofu wrote:
If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask. If you want me to vote for anyone other than TG or jrkirby today, you're going to have to make a really solid case against them and convince me. Given TAA's reaction post, you think it's more likely that: (1) getmoript is not actually a cop, fakeclaiming a red check on a scumread of his, who responded in that manner but is town AND TG or jrkirby is scum (which I still agree with on TG) than (2) getmoript either is or isn't a cop, nobody cares, and TAA is scum ? No, I don't think it is likely that getmoript is not actually a cop. I'm saying it is a definite possibility considering how adamant he has been about his read of TAA. TAA could definitely be scum but considering that I have nothing to go off of except a cop role claim that may or may not be sane, I'm not willing to blindly follow the train on TAA just yet. If you can convince me of his alignment either way, I will definitely be willing to vote him. It's not just about whether TAA is scum or not (and seriously, that reaction was super duper scummy).
You're going to vote someone, you're going to have a scumread SOMEWHERE. So it's not solely a question of whether TAA is town or scum. It's a question of whether you trust a different read of yours SO MUCH that you think it's more likely that read of yours is scum than TAA. All of TAA's posts don't HAVE to be scummy, there may be some things that are difficult to explain. But that's true of everyone (probably), and you're going to have that problem with any lynch candidate, TAA or whoever you would prefer.
You're almost hesitating about TAA because he may or may not be scum (before this claim stuff that you jumped on). But that's true of most anyone, and the combination of the possible check + definite reaction is, imo, a much larger indicator of scumdiddlyumptiousness than anything you can point out in another person's filter.
Note that his reaction wasn't that getmoript was LYING, wasn't that he's town and doesn't want to bother putting up a fight, but was that getmoript was cheating because he didn't even make a case. He didn't just get called scum and choose not to fight it (initially), he got called scum and responded by saying it was lame and getmoript should have made a case. The problem a townie has with a redcheck on them is "I'm not red." The problem a mafia member has with a redcheck on them is "Boooooooo."
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On July 24 2013 13:09 Onegu wrote:
@Austin it looks like you are just explaining to firm why TAA is scum... Does thismake you feel a scumread on Tofu? I don't know. Been at trivia last few hours and haven't fully processed the odd RB claim and Tofu's continued insistence that TAA might be scummy but his reaction was totally cool and maybe he's not scum and everyone else should make cases including references to these specific posts.
That started out a much smaller post, and then I kept finding things that I was confused about, but yeah, in some ways that's me overexplaining why TAA is scum.
Honestly I mostly want to sit back and watch some of these claims play out. There's a lot of information that we get as to whether these are real or fake claims, and I'm not the most motivated right now to hunt everyone everywhere when I think there's scum getting lynched, which will then inform us about other scum based on the flip and whether he's actually a RB of any alignment, and then we move from there.
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