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On July 13 2013 16:34 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 12:49 Chromatically wrote:This Stim thing doesn't make sense at all. Look at the chain of events: 1) Rainbow pressures Stim 2) Stim posts an angry response 3) Stim claims that his anger was due to formatting 4) Stim claims that he wasn't actually angry, and that he acted like it to get a reaction. 3 and 4 are incompatible. Stim is claiming that he was angry from the formatting, and then lied about his reasoning for doing it later. This doesn't make sense from a town perspective. On July 13 2013 11:55 StiMaDDict wrote:
I did respond quite aggressively and in an angry manner, even though I was not really angry at all. There were 2 purposes: 1) To see if Rainbow would 'flinch' 2) To establish myself to others as capable of defending myself. Conclusion: He didn't flinch and I did clear my name somewhat. I could have counter pressured to get some sort of read from Rainbow, however I didn't, because it IS early in the game and without proving myself as an active town, it would have a less of impact and leave a bad impression of me.
Town wouldn't say "There were 2 purposes" for their anger if they had just made up those purposes now. Town most certainly wouldn't say "I wasn't actually angry" if they were, like Stim is claiming he was now. ##Vote: StimI'd be interested in hearing others' thoughts. I could see a townie claiming that his anger was fabricated due to pride. It's embarrassing to admit you got mad for silly reasons to a group of strangers. Obviously that's not in the best interest of the game, but for some, ego will always come first.
Actually, at fear of falling prey to meta~~~
He did do a similar thing in the mafia game I played with him, where I called out his post as scummy as he self voted.
He basically returned to the thread to save face, (since he flipped town)
so that wouldn't be out of line for him. In fact, it fits with what I know.
-I am leery of meta though because the entire obs qt of the last game was like "meta bad!"
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Because he was the first one to vote for StiM and if StiM flipped town, that would be extraordinarily suspicious.
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that and like, a general tone read of towniness from him, but that specifically makes it hard for me to think he's scum. Even aside from that, I think he's been posting good content regardless, that moves the game forward, even if it may be wrong~~
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you are right, I may have been confirmation biasing my way through that, but,,,,,,,eh,,,,,,eh,,,.....like
dunno.
mafias hard, that's why I didn't want to play t.t
and then alakaslam got me to play
and
then
BAILED
that was irrelevant ignore it all haha
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Rainbows claimed credit, but has he voted for StiM?
where is Rainbows now that the wagon is going?
Rainbows claimed for the initial pressure, not for the actual votes, and the votes are what matter.
Taking credit for pressure is not important, at all.
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good point, I guess. I wouldn't.
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why is me thinking he's slightly towny a big deal though?
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~my connection to team liquid is derping, so I think I'll call it quits tonight. I'll probably be around tomorrow, but you never know what the future brings~!wooooo!
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On July 14 2013 04:29 Superfluous wrote:Going back through the posts, I'm a little alarmed at Hurricane Sponge's change of tone. In this post he disagrees with my opinion and says it casts suspicion on me, but doesnt state that I'm a huge scumread or anything. Here I interpreted his post as acknowledging that while we disagree, I was still trying to state my opinion and reasons for having that view. He then says some weird things here though. For instance, he says that he agrees with others' view of me who had semi-defended me, and in the same list puts me as the only scum read. I realize his view may have changed, but it strikes me especially considering in the second post I listed he acknowledged the possibility of a bandwagon on me just because of differing opinions. We also have a mutual disagreement on reads as well. I don't see how hzflank and xzavier have contributed substantially more than me. While knowing everyone's scum reads is good, I don't like it when people show up, say their scum reads, then expect other people to act on them. As for Stim I think he's more likely bad town then mafia. Then again everyone else is saying the same thing, so could be mafia excuse for not lynching him.
Tbth, Hzflank and Xzav have been a lot more impressive with their posts.
Do you actually think Sponge is scum, or are you slightly suspicious of it? You're going to have to have a lynch target at the end of the day, and all you really just said is "sponge. hm?" and, "StiM, (insert most of towns consensus)"
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##UNVOTE StiMaDDict
##VOTE SUPERFLUOUS
StiMaDDict has at least tried to be helpful, compared to trying to get by, and his flip out rage quit is, as mentioned, not inconsistent with what I know about him being townie, although the points about your motivation for lying still stand.
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Superfluous, if you had to lynch at literally this instant, who would you vote?
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Are you still just trying to figure out xzavs alignment? I have him as slightly townie, personally.
Is there anything specifically that you'd point out that could convince me otherwise?
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I dunno why I do it, but it's certainly not condemning them. It lets people know what's up with me specifically.
If it were condemning, I wouldn't be talking to Super atm t.t
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On July 14 2013 05:14 Superfluous wrote:
Admittedly I am giving reads more to get off my back than to help us. I'm trying to get reads, but nothing is super strong so I'm not going to jump to lynch someone. I would vote for xzavier right now because he's my strongest read, but thats because we have to vote not because I feel he's 100% scum It really hurts us to lynch town day one, which is the same reason I brought up the idea of no lynching, and the same reason I'm trying to relieve pressure from myself.
That said ##Vote Xzavier Because I'm going to a concert tonight and may be up late/ sleep in so I don't want to forget to vote.
You could also be trying to relieve pressure from yourself because you're scum /gasp
You literally just told us "I have not been scumhunting, I am just trying not to die"
Reminds me of Onegu.
In fact, that's EXACTLY what Onegu did
haha
I don't want to judge you based on his meta but still t.t
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Uuhh, do not vote a totally inactive, that's a waste of a lynch.
They'll get in here and post when they're good and ready, dammit!
(by that I mean, it depends on the fucking direction the wind blows)
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haha, he means that if someone is going to be modkilled, voting them is totally irrelevant (if you're talking about Koshi)
That quote was actually correct, if you ask me.
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Thanks for posting the blatantly obvious, now go scumhunt.
qed.
Don't argue pointless semantics about motivations for trying to stay alive, you don't get absolved by arguing semantics
playing to not die is really kind of a spiral.
Also, your vote on xzavier is totally half assed.
Totally aside from your motivation for it, you didn't even put it in the vote thread, making me think you just wanted to seem like you were voting, not actually VOTING FOR XZAV.
There was a notification by the mod (within the game thread)(addressing me) that there is a vote thread.
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Rather, I'll rewrite that to be more explicit:
I think that you DID forget to put it in the vote thread, BECAUSE it was so half assed, and I don't think it was half assed because you're unsure, I think it was half assed because you didn't care where your vote went.
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Superfluous, the way to convince me (and others) that you're town is not to point to instances of having scumhunted/convince people of your reads, but to actually start scumhunting and convincing people of your reads.
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Chrom, do you now think that StiM is town?
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