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StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 13 2013 04:22 GMT

#409

Done. See me lynched around deadline.

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 13 2013 04:23 GMT

#410

Have a shitty fucking day and this..

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 13 2013 16:51 GMT

#478

*sigh
I fucked up.

@Chromatically: You let me down and I let you down. I don't really know. I had a shitty day. I was pissed off at other things and I tried to let my stresses go away by posting on here. Then you blew it. Your nitpicking on whether I was angry or not and whether I was lying or not was really under my expectation. I think I gave you WAY TOO much credit from last game.
Also you keep saying that I can't explain my so-called lie, but I did, god damn it.
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On July 13 2013 12:19 StiMaDDict wrote:

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This. Pretty much repeating what Xzavier did in the last game, calling everyone retard, was from me being genuinely mad.

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Overall attitude in my posts and impolite words in them were for the purpose I have stated.

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Do note: I'm not a good actor and I am not sure whether there was a clear boundary between me being mad because of quotes and spoilers and pretending to be mad at Rainbow. I was not bothered by Rainbow's pressure to put it simply and it is not in my best interest to lie about this.

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On July 13 2013 12:24 StiMaDDict wrote:
My previous post looks confusing.
1) I was mad at messing up posts but not at Rainbow
2) My anger reflected on my posts
3) Later when I realized that my posts were angry sounding I gave them purposes and maintain similar style.

I hope this explains it better. Not sure if this is a relevant topic though.

First one wasn't clear enough so I wrote the second. I had a shitty day, alright, so I wrote some cuss words on the Internet. It wasn't something that I was proud of but it happened. So I tried to cover it up as if it was intentional with purposes and purposes they did accomplished. If you want to argue about when I came up with the idea, well, why don't dissect my brain and see. Gosh, you pissed me off.

@jkirby: What you doing?
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On July 13 2013 07:41 jrkirby wrote:
Ok. I've been studying this long and hard, and I think I have enough evidence to make a clear case.

hzflank is scum

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Clearly, hzflank is lying about this compliment. Liars are always scum. And look who he's talking to: the scum coach. Obviously he's in league with them.

He goes on, still talking to the scum:

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This is an obvious admission that he wants town to die. Anyone who wants town to die is scum, end of story.

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I will. Right here, right now.

And for his first post:

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He's trying to get us to sheep together and follow a Bandwagon instead of looking for evidence and finding scum.

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Trying to defend one of the scum who is planning to lurk.

You can't ignore all this evidence guys. hzflank is scum.

##Vote: hzflank

He makes a pressure vote on hzflank and he never followed up on it at all. Yes, it did create a discussion between Rainbow and I, but not much from hzflank. He never provided his motive, explanation, or response after he made that one post. We know he was around when Rainbow and I were duking it out. Am I the only crazy one here and it's a normal thing to do with a pressure vote? If the purpose of the pressure vote is create a discussion why didn't he take a part? He takes it down couple of pages later basic saying that it didn't do much except getting some discussion.
jkirby on Hurricane is basically this in my eyes: Your first post makes you look town. I think you post this AS A SCUM. If you are not, then show us your other post. Darn, it's too late now. I follow the thought process but it doesn't do much.
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On July 13 2013 09:35 jrkirby wrote:

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On July 13 2013 09:30 StiMaDDict wrote:

On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote:

On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote:

On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:

The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?

Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum?

Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum.

On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:41 Umasi wrote:
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I certainly wouldn't post that if I were scum, it is nothing but a good thing for town. Why WOULD he want to post that as scum?

to look town. Scum love to spew general pro town thingsvto get ez town cred..

This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd.

The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.)

You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum.

But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town.

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Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early.

I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.)

That doesn't answer the point. The point is that your logic is inconsistant.

You say that you wouldn't have posted this as scum. Why? You think that the post is valuable enough to town that scum wouldn't want to post it. You think that only a townie would post it.

However, you say that you shouldn't get a town read for it, even though you think that only town would post it.

I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town.

Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness.

Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said?

Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious.

Seriously man.. this is the best you can do? If he has scum post, big deal. For all we know THIS could be his scum post. Who knows. Is this your first game jrkirby?

"For all we know, THIS could be his scum post." That's exactly what I was trying to get information on. Here was my reasoning: if this is his scum post, then he won't HAVE a real scum post. But it's been long enough that he could've written another one by now, so no point in pushing it anymore.

No, this is my second game, kinda.

This starts jkirby's trend of hedging. He drops the pressure as soon as he feels as it has been too long and Sponge could've written a copy. He doesn't say Sponge is a town or scum because of this, which I find disturbing.
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On July 13 2013 09:46 jrkirby wrote:

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On July 13 2013 09:41 Umasi wrote:

On July 13 2013 09:35 jrkirby wrote:

On July 13 2013 09:30 StiMaDDict wrote:

On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote:

On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote:

On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
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Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum.

On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
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This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd.

The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.)

Seriously man.. this is the best you can do? If he has scum post, big deal. For all we know THIS could be his scum post. Who knows. Is this your first game jrkirby?

"For all we know, THIS could be his scum post." That's exactly what I was trying to get information on. Here was my reasoning: if this is his scum post, then he won't HAVE a real scum post. But it's been long enough that he could've written another one by now, so no point in pushing it anymore.

No, this is my second game, kinda.

Why is there no point in pushing it?
There's no reason to not push it if you think it was scummy, and if you were pushing it for the sake of having something to do, just go do something else.

Still, more people, what do you think of Superfluous post and then disappearance?

Me - "It's been long enough that he could've written another one by now." If he had posted one immediately after I had asked it means something different than if he posts one an hour or two after I asked.

Superfluous's post & lurk is bad, but give him a bit, he might show back up.

Umasi feels the same way it seems. Another excuse and nothing to indicate how he feels about Sponge as a result. The bold part is another hedging.
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On July 13 2013 09:58 jrkirby wrote:

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I think it's foolish to PLAN to not lynch day one. But if I have a choice of lynching someone that I townread, and lynching no one, I will try to lynch no one. I hope other people would follow suit.

This is his opinion. I don't agree with persay but it isn't really alignment indicative. It isn't a strong expression of opinion to be honest, just a "wish" (I added this because I didn't want to only pick out scummy things jkirby said and ignore rest of his filter)
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On July 13 2013 10:13 jrkirby wrote:
Koshi
Xzavier
Nightcat99
Gotard
cloud-9

These players haven't posted anything/enough in my opinion. It's only been a couple hours, so you might be asleep/ at work. But just a PSA, these are currently "lurkers".

Doesn't reveal his view on lurkers but just "throw" the topic of lurkers out on the table.
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On July 13 2013 10:22 jrkirby wrote:

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Well, this game is majority lynch, so voting for the "scummiest" person could be what causes a lynch not to happen.

I'm pretty sure scum wouldn't mind lynching town either.

General common sense. It's just me but I don't like this semi-joking statement.
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On July 13 2013 10:32 jrkirby wrote:

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Honestly? I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. I'm slightly more suspicious of Sponge, Umasi, and Rainbows than the rest. Sponge I've stated my reasons for. I don't really trust my read on Rainbows because [meta here] I thought he was scum last time I played with him and he wasn't. Umasi just reads a bit ornery, so that could be the reason for my weak read.

My vote on hzflank was kinda a combo of joke/pressure as you guys pointed out. It got a bit of discussion, but didn't get much of a rise out of hzflank, who I currently have null read on.

I guess I should unvote him now, since the pressure obviously didn't do too much.

##unvote: hzflank

A list of suspicion list that doesn't have "legitimate" reasons or evidence. So he does feel suspicious about Sponge afterall about him not sharing his opening post in time, I'm assuming. About Rainbow, I am not sure. He words in a confusing way. In last game, jkirby thought Rainbow was scum but he was a town. So in this game he thinks Rainbow is a town but he could be a scum or vise versa? Concerning Umasi, his reasoning it not satisfying either. Also he doubts his ability to read other people.
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On July 13 2013 11:03 Chromatically wrote:

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Why are you suspicious of Rainbows? What do you think about Super?

Chromatically followed up asking why jkirby is suspicious of Rainbow and what he thinks of Super.
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On July 13 2013 11:56 StiMaDDict wrote:
Waiting on jkirby's response to Chromatically's question.

I had same question as Chromatically and brought it back up. At the end, he still hasn't answered it at the time of me posting this.
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On July 13 2013 10:47 jrkirby wrote:

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Anyone think this could be a scumslip? He seems the kind that might want to subtly brag about it if he were scum.

I can never figure out when people are joking and not. This is just really fucking weak and gets on my nerve. If it is a joke, then fuck me.
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On July 13 2013 10:58 jrkirby wrote:

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He said he couldn't be in here at the beginning before the game started, right? No real reason to have suspicion on the lurkers yet, just note that they're lurking.

This is pretty fucking bad. Protecting a lurker when he was the one to bring up the topic at all. I don't know what he is trying to do, but then again, I'm fucked up pretty hard with my playstyle.. Anyway, protecting not just one lurker but pretty much all of them and making an excuse for them makes me think he is a scum.
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On July 13 2013 13:21 jrkirby wrote:

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Cool it dude. For all you know, the people voting for you could be scum trying to get you riled up. Just calm down, post reads, question things, and have a good game. You won't play your best when you're tilting. You're in no way doomed right now.

I guess I should thanks for his kind words (?) but as Chromatically has pointed out, he is trying to pat me on the head as if he is saying, "Chromatically and Umasi could scum you know. Come here, you poor baby."
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On July 13 2013 13:31 jrkirby wrote:
2 votes land on a guy is quick succession, I'd be stupid if I weren't at least a BIT suspicious. As far as I can tell, stim is just acting like a bit of an idiot, is flustered, and frustrated. Doesn't seem like scumtell to me. You're free to have your vote, and I don't have a solid scumread on either of you, but I will be looking a bit more closely at your filters.

No stand or point whatsoever. I'm not a scum. Chromatically and Umasi are not scum, but they are "bit" suspicious. What is your stance man? Stop hedging.
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On July 13 2013 13:38 jrkirby wrote:
I don't think he's town. I think he's stupid, and have a nullread.

Well thanks, I think I'm stupid too. I'm not a town but you have a nullread on me? What was the purpose of writing above two posts then? Confused and scummy. I am not liking how he is dealing with me blowing up. He seems to be neither or both defending and pressuring in this situation.
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On July 13 2013 13:42 jrkirby wrote:
I don't think he's thinking through what he's saying. His actions don't seem town because they're foolish from every way you look at them. But that doesn't make him clearly scum.

Hedging. Period.

Conclusion: jkirby is my biggest scumread atm. He seems to be Onegue from XLII. Acting as if he is contributing but without actual content. He is not really expressing his reads and tend much more to hedge. He has not established a strong stance as a town and hasn't given clear reasons for his suspicion.

##Vote: jkirby

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 13 2013 16:54 GMT

#480

Reference: Definition of hedging as I understand it
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=412757&currentpage=82#1630

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Good guy, Blazinghand.
I wish to show my gratitude to him for calming me down and convincing me to keep playing.

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 13 2013 18:37 GMT

#492

I hate Umasi and Chrom as lynch targets for Day 1. Town does not want to lynch guys this active and scumhunting this hard. Regardless of the fact that I think Superfluous is scummier at this point, I'd push for a Lurker lynch over one of either of Umasi or Chrom.

Elaboration on this please. Specifically who do you consider Lurker at this point?

Note: I agree that Umasi and Chromatically are bad lynch candidates

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 13 2013 20:20 GMT

#520

I don't get your town reads on Kirby and Xzav though, they're top of my radar right now.

Elaboration please.

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 13 2013 22:10 GMT

#551

Interested to hear from Xzavier and hzflank on the topic of jkirby.

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 14 2013 06:23 GMT

#592

Disappointed that Xzavier hasn't posted yet.
Waiting on Cloud 9's reads.

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 14 2013 06:41 GMT

#593

@Cloud 9: This is totally unrelated but is your name a reference to Cloud 9 by Hwayobi? I was music searching on YouTube and that came up, so I was like, "That sounds awfully familiar for some reason.."

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 14 2013 16:59 GMT

#608

@jkirby: I know you said you are working on your reads right now, just reminding you to elaborate and explain this.

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 14 2013 17:08 GMT

#611

On July 15 2013 01:59 StiMaDDict wrote:
@jkirby: I know you said you are working on your reads right now, just reminding you to elaborate and explain this.

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jkirby, this please...

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 14 2013 17:26 GMT

#617

@jkirby: please, stop dodging the subject. Why did you think those 3 were most suspicious at the time your posting and what is your current read on them.

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 14 2013 17:43 GMT

#623

@Chromatically: I want your thought on Koshi. Believe it or not, he is second on my list.

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 14 2013 18:06 GMT

#631

On July 15 2013 02:57 Rainbows wrote:
So I've done some analysis of the voting patterns of the moment. JrKirby is in grave danger... why isn't he voting Super?

That strikes me as odd. Scum would do it to stay alive. Town would do it to stay alive. Anyone have some insight as to motivation (with the exception of 'he thinks Gotard is scum and not Super') because I can't justify it from either alignments perspective.

If he were to vote Super, then it's onpy viewed sheeping. Gotard is third with votes, there is a tiny chance that bandwagon would form there. He can switch his vote later if wants. It's not a hard evidence that jkirby is a scum but he has pretty weak case on Gotard. Also what a irony that jkirby points out Gotard sheeping on him.

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 14 2013 18:06 GMT

#633

Oops, I guess I wasn't fast enough.

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 14 2013 18:15 GMT

#635

@Rainbow: Explain your unvote on Gotard please. Has your scumread on him changed or do you feel as if you need to change your vote due to majority voting system.

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 14 2013 19:07 GMT

#662

@Superfluous: Your read on jkirby, now.

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 14 2013 19:16 GMT

#669

When is the deadline?

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 14 2013 19:18 GMT

#671

Welcome to Day 1! This Day ends in ~50 hours at Sunday, Jul 14 8:00pm EDT (GMT-04:00) aka 20:00 EDT (-04:00). With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Found it ^^

StiMaDDict

Korea (South)313 Posts

July 14 2013 20:04 GMT

#692

Going out for couple of hours. When I come back, there better fucking be something from Nightcat, Cloud 9, and Xzavier.

On July 14 2013 14:09 cloud-9 wrote:

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Hello Umasi, ;-).

In response to your comment.. I plan to give independent reads, I was just detailing my overall intuition after briefly reading all the forum posts. Admittedly getting to this forum as late as I have means I have some catching up to do. Once I consolidate all my reads together I plan to make a large response that contains all of my independent reads. Until than I just wanted to give a general idea of where I stand in terms of alignment.

That was like two hours ago. I'm expecting multiple paragraphs analysis.

On July 14 2013 19:50 Xzavier wrote:

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Sorry. I had to go to sleep when i got home. I had to wake up early for work. i get off ay 2:15 and will deside between taking a power nap or being super active on this. that sill probably depend on how work goes.

I will get some good posts in and b active before the deadline because for once, thank god, i hav 4 hours of not being at work before it

I know you have a busy work schedule and shit. You left me hanging last night. Better start posting, man.

On July 14 2013 07:30 Nightcat99 wrote:
Just want to give an update on my situation, I am quiet busy today but i will catch up on everything before the first day ends. Since I will be home on Sunday about 2 pm est as long as the plane doesn't screw me over again.

I would like to vote after I reread everything again that,s nt on my tiny phone screen but as far as stim's situation , I feel that he's either a bad mafia or a angry townie , so either way not worth a vote now because now everyone will put an watchful eye on him.

Hey, need an update on your situation. Did your plane crash or something?

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