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On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 10:59 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 10:49 StiMaDDict wrote:
I may be biased but I put Chromatically as the most capable scumhunter. In last game, he pretty much had the whole scum team Day1. It goes without saying that I do not Chromatically's alignment as of right now.
@Chromatically Your current scum reads? Superfluous looks really bad, he's been apologetic in his posts (not trying to rock the boat) and has only said what others have already said. It looks like he's trying hard to find anything to post about because he wants to look active. On July 13 2013 10:05 Superfluous wrote:On July 13 2013 09:55 Umasi wrote:
Superfluous, do you have any current scum reads? At the moment no, as I said I was gone for a couple hours then came back and just skimmed through the thread . I mean to go through it again in more detail once I'm finished defending myself or w/e. Two things are on my mind though. One is that I think you are town (not just to suck up to you b/c you are pressuring me). Reasons being that in my personal experience those who are most aggressive are generally town, and also that this is a semi-noob game so I'm unsure if a mafia would have the confidence to go out and control the game/ put pressure on early on. Another thing is that I dont think I've seen much (if anything) from Cloud 9. He may be in same situation as me and I'll give him Benefit of the doubt though. It's extremely odd that he specifically points out Cloud-9 as opposed to any of the other players who haven't posted. This shows pretty clearly that he's not trying at all to find scum, he doesn't even know who hasn't posted. Also looking at Kirby. Lurkers be lurking. As I said I just skimmed over after returning. Cloud 9 was a name I didn't see when comparing the posts I saw to the player list, so I pointed it out. And I have been trying to get something to talk about other than what seem to be mini discussions between certain people. I also don't get why you're attacking me saying "I'm not trying to find scum". In my own post I said that I was going to look it over again and get reads, obviously meaning that I hadn't looked that hard for scum yet. Right now my biggest scum read is HZflank, because I still think Umasi is doing mostly pro town moves yet hz says its scummy. If it pushes to me actually being lynched I think that I'd still feel this way. He also had an early post or two that distracted somewhat from the discussion, which I'm always suspicious of. I'll give nightcat benefit of the doubt. It's a bit weird he showed up once his name came up but eh. I realize thats not really a great reason but seems like we're in semi-similar situations. Xzavier I'm more suspicious of, he didnt have many posts then in his first one he shows up saying he'll consider lynching me. It's really scummy play to lurk then show up ready to lynch imo.
Xzaviers entrance was built to contribute, not built to sneak in and make it seem like he was around. Just read it, he actually says things. Him coming in and immediately being on board with a lynch, on the one hand, seems hasty, but I don't think that's the mark of scum, hastiness, that is.
I don't think there's anything special about Cloud 9 as you mentioned him, like other people seem to think.
I am also kinda leery of Hz, but not too much.
I like what you've said, I'll hop on someone else when I feel they're more reasonable. I still prefer you as a lynch though, but that was always subject to change.
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(on board in loose terms, of course)
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Xzav, don't overreact to him being slightly suspicious of you.
I too am slightly suspicious of you.
I'm slightly suspicious of EVERYBODY.
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Town most certainly wouldn't say "I wasn't actually angry" if they were, like Stim is claiming he was now.
it does feel like he's trying to damage control, but it doesn't sit right with me atm. I'll reread him and see what I think afterward~but that line alone makes me want to sheep you, because I like how it's looking at motivations.
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On July 13 2013 10:49 StiMaDDict wrote:
I may be biased but I put Chromatically as the most capable scumhunter. In last game, he pretty much had the whole scum team Day1. It goes without saying that I do not Chromatically's alignment as of right now.
@Chromatically Your current scum reads?
Looking at it as stim is scum, it feels like he's trying to buddy him up as he has him read as a threat.
On July 13 2013 10:50 StiMaDDict wrote:
Edit: *It goes without saying that I do not know Chromatically's alignment as of right now
This reads to me as trying to assuage a concern someone would have with it before someone talked about it. And seriously, why would you even bother doing that?
On July 13 2013 12:59 StiMaDDict wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 12:49 Chromatically wrote:This Stim thing doesn't make sense at all. Look at the chain of events: 1) Rainbow pressures Stim 2) Stim posts an angry response 3) Stim claims that his anger was due to formatting 4) Stim claims that he wasn't actually angry, and that he acted like it to get a reaction. 3 and 4 are incompatible. Stim is claiming that he was angry from the formatting, and then lied about his reasoning for doing it later. This doesn't make sense from a town perspective. On July 13 2013 11:55 StiMaDDict wrote:
I did respond quite aggressively and in an angry manner, even though I was not really angry at all. There were 2 purposes: 1) To see if Rainbow would 'flinch' 2) To establish myself to others as capable of defending myself. Conclusion: He didn't flinch and I did clear my name somewhat. I could have counter pressured to get some sort of read from Rainbow, however I didn't, because it IS early in the game and without proving myself as an active town, it would have a less of impact and leave a bad impression of me.
Town wouldn't say "There were 2 purposes" for their anger if they had just made up those purposes now. Town most certainly wouldn't say "I wasn't actually angry" if they were, like Stim is claiming he was now. ##Vote: StimI'd be interested in hearing others' thoughts. Edit: If this is what you came up with, then gg wp. Not really motivating to play anymore really.
It's not motivating to play because you don't have perma town cred?
Expect people to think you're scum, or not guaranteed town.
Like, why is it gg? If I remember you said Chrom was a solid scumhunter.
It's actually up there in this post
Don't omgus out of the fucking game, because that is not pro town, not defensible, and a surefire way to be lynched. And if you're town, that's obviously bad, because you're directly hurting town, wasting our time and not scumhunting.
If you're scum, that's ALSO an awful idea, because you're just saccing yourself.
Basically, rethink this and ignore what chrom has said about you and go contribute as much as you can in a protown way to turn opinions around, not just complain "I don't like people thinking I'm scum"
You are now a priority to figure out over Superfluous, although I still am looking at Superfluous.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE StiMadDDict
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He seriously martyred after a single vote.
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Nightcat, the best way to establish innocence is to scum hunt, it's always time to scumhunt.
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StiM, you're being incredibly irrational.
But no, you're right, I actually immediately hopped on the wagon for towncred.
definitely.
I didn't provide reasoning or anything
you've caught me
"oh no"
you should know by now that I don't play this game for the fucking towncred, you're acting incredibly immature, no offense or anything.
We're all bad at the game, maybe you're misplaying, maybe we're misplaying, WHO THE FUCK KNOWS. The only real point here is that the way you are acting does not benefit whatever faction you are playing for, so please, get your shit together if you're actually town. If you're scum, feel free to keep tilting, I guess? Because the way you've just given up is not giving me any motivation to get off of you.
You flipping out is not actually giving you any towncred~btw~if that is your goal.
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Rainbows, do you think that this vote is misguided/wrong or right?
What are your thoughts? Don't just poke him.
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On July 13 2013 13:23 Chromatically wrote:
If everyone who just randomly popped out to soft call me sum could actually give their opinions on the situation, that'd be great.
Yeah basically this
also chrom do you have any thoughts about stims total blowup
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Basically, Kirby, can you prove Stims innocence? Address Chroms post, and try to provide the reasoning that stim probably won't supply.
If you can't, then why would you think he's town?
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What is the motivation that a townie could have for the points that chrom brought up?
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Is anyone around to chat it up with?
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nothing much. Thread was stagnant because nighttime, but w.e.
So I remember reading the mafia you were in (you were vig, tunneled ravens)
but don't remember much about the specific scenario that played out with your rage quit.
How much of this is reminiscant of what you did? Do you think there's a comparison at all to be made?
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Sponge, why do you think I was white knighting you?
It wasn't so much be saying you were town as it was me saying "you guys are stupid for having these reasons that you have."
It was me throwing out ornery commentary.
In response to your question though~
What makes you think the scum team acts as like, a hivemind? We're all awful, so it's not like he would be given advice by gods. Moreover, it's entirely possible his coach just wasn't around, or his other scum team members weren't around. Just my thoughts, I think that debating what's happening in the scum qt is not relevant.
Well, it's relevant, but not like.......
What do we get out of it? How do we lynch someone if we always say "well they shouldn't be scummy because there's other scum to tell them how to not be scummy."
that's what confuses me, I guess.
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Sponge, what you're asking for is not something that will ever be delivered
No one knows what's going on in the scum qt
well, scum knows
but it's not like they'd ever fucking tell us.
So why do we care? Don't give people free passes because they should be playing better than they are~~~~
On July 13 2013 08:33 Superfluous wrote:
While I agree that we should lynch someone if they are super scummy, I'd like to point out that voting for no lynch is an option. Assuming I'm interpreting the rules/setup right, mafia only has 1 kp so there's no immediate motive for lynching such as reducing kp. It may be a stronger play to not lynch and hope that cop(if there is one) gets a turn to check before lynch. It is a risk though because I believe we are not guaranteed to have a cop. Just an idea I wanted to throw out and get your guys' thoughts on.
It's such a nonfactor in anything, the entrance. Idk why he'd even talk about it
here, I think that what he said, his entrance, was scummy, because of the way it just kinda let the thread wash over him. He didn't talk about anything specific, he just vaguely talked about policy. He starts by agreeing with the consensus, then is like "hm maybe not?"
But what else does he say?
That looks like he's trying to let something blow over.
I may be suspicious of people because they're not very assertive, but jeez, people should be more assertive.
Rather, I wish everyone would just post what's on their fucking minds, compared to trying to live. Well, scum can try to live because it's obvious when someone posts to live, but I hate how often it seems like townies selectively post to live.
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Alright, here, hurricane. Who do you think is worth voting at this time?
From your post, I got the gist that it'd be Superfluous or me. Is that correct?
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MAKING FAKE CONTRIBUTIONS TO APPEAR TOWNIE
jkjk
thanks man haha
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k, at this point, I can't really think of anything to talk about from your post, Sponge. I think Chrom is on the slightly townier side, xzav is more planet neutral, and kirby is not super towny, just by gut reads.
At this point I'm still happy with a StiM lynch though, but Superfluous is contesting it pretty hard. and depending on what nightcat says, I'll rethink him, but he's still ehhhhh.
I may just be judging people a little too quickly, but that's because I sit at my computer pretty much constantly being a lazy asshole with the thread open, refreshing every five minutes.
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(that would be utterly unbelievable and frustrating, if they just hadn't posted)
but we'll find out soon enough, a lot of games have people just get modkilled
(god knows fucking why.)
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