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Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 00:11 GMT

#290

haha~that's not a strategy, that's just a byproduct of how I play, since I do think I put good thought into what I said

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 00:21 GMT

#293

On July 13 2013 08:33 Superfluous wrote:
While I agree that we should lynch someone if they are super scummy, I'd like to point out that voting for no lynch is an option. Assuming I'm interpreting the rules/setup right, mafia only has 1 kp so there's no immediate motive for lynching such as reducing kp. It may be a stronger play to not lynch and hope that cop(if there is one) gets a turn to check before lynch. It is a risk though because I believe we are not guaranteed to have a cop. Just an idea I wanted to throw out and get your guys' thoughts on.

Can I ask what everyone thinks of this?
Superfluous feels like the most solid lynch at the moment, to me, as I've stated.
Most others have just ignored it
does anyone have thoughts on it?

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 00:25 GMT

#298

On July 13 2013 09:22 Rainbows wrote:
I think sponge is town for not wanting to take town cred. scum would be all over that ahit.

Town cred is not something that you can take or refuse, taking and refusing town cred itself can give reads.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 00:27 GMT

#303

Basically, you guys are poking him with a stick and he's just like
"meh"
and nothing is really coming from it, so why are we beating a dead horse?

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 00:38 GMT

#314

On July 13 2013 09:33 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Since I have to spell it out for the thread (StiM, Umasi....)

Try not to defend your town reads. Let them defend themselves. We get more content via a direct conversation, and if scum is barking up the wrong tree, he'll be scared off if three townies rush to someone's defense.

It is written: Lo, and let thy scum tunnel; for when they tunnel the town, the Town tunnels into you.

What made you assume I thought you were a town read?
I don't think I've said anything like that, and I actually don't have you as town (or scum)
attacking someones logic is not a claim that someone else is townie, it's just saying "this is stupid"

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 00:41 GMT

#316

On July 13 2013 09:35 jrkirby wrote:

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On July 13 2013 09:30 StiMaDDict wrote:

On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote:

On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote:

On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:

The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?

Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum?

Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum.

On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote:

On July 13 2013 08:41 Umasi wrote:
[quote]

I certainly wouldn't post that if I were scum, it is nothing but a good thing for town. Why WOULD he want to post that as scum?

to look town. Scum love to spew general pro town thingsvto get ez town cred..

This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd.

The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.)

You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum.

But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town.

?

Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early.

I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.)

That doesn't answer the point. The point is that your logic is inconsistant.

You say that you wouldn't have posted this as scum. Why? You think that the post is valuable enough to town that scum wouldn't want to post it. You think that only a townie would post it.

However, you say that you shouldn't get a town read for it, even though you think that only town would post it.

I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town.

Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness.

Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said?

Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious.

Seriously man.. this is the best you can do? If he has scum post, big deal. For all we know THIS could be his scum post. Who knows. Is this your first game jrkirby?

"For all we know, THIS could be his scum post." That's exactly what I was trying to get information on. Here was my reasoning: if this is his scum post, then he won't HAVE a real scum post. But it's been long enough that he could've written another one by now, so no point in pushing it anymore.

No, this is my second game, kinda.

Why is there no point in pushing it?
There's no reason to not push it if you think it was scummy, and if you were pushing it for the sake of having something to do, just go do something else.

Still, more people, what do you think of Superfluous post and then disappearance?

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 00:46 GMT

#321

"Sponge posting his Early Day 1 Conversation Starter?

Sponge posting his Early Day 1 Conversation Starter."
Was it ever a question that his post was to start discussion?

And I think what superfluous said was scummy because he gives a soft agree.all? is in soft agreement with the general flow of the thread, then just talks about nothing, then disappears.
The post itself, combined with the lack of anything else, is what is scummy as crap.

I don't want to overreact too hard to you saying "slight scum read", but if I was truly searching for a neutral place to put my vote on, I wouldn't continue talking about it.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 00:55 GMT

#328

Superfluous, do you have any current scum reads?

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 00:56 GMT

#329

or townie reads, for that matter.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 01:18 GMT

#339

Does it really matter if we haven't seen things from other players at this point?
It's been two hours since the game began, some people could still be working, etc. The way you popped in, said one thing kinda suspicious, then popped out is what really irks me.
Don't apologize and talk about other forums as an excuse, excuses are bad. Reasons are fine, but that didn't feel like a reason to me.
We don't need to point out no lynching as an option, because it's BAD
No lynching is something that scum would LIKE.
I think I said it in the last game I played (too lazy to dig it up,) but the only tool a townie has is their vote, so don't waste it on something like a no lynch. There should always be someone who is objectively "scummiest" that you'd rather vote for than no lynch, have a little confidence.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 01:24 GMT

#343

Nightcat99, although it may be total coincidence,....it's interesting that you show up right when the conversation is directed at lurkers.
aside from you being on a trip or not and that being hard to believe.

Although props for thinking that lynching every lynch period is a good thing :D

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 01:25 GMT

#345

wait, what do you mean kirby?
am I misunderstanding how the lynch works?
If two players have five votes on them, the first one to five gets lynched, am I wrong? Have I horribly misunderstood something?

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 01:34 GMT

#351

my bad.
So if two players have equal votes, does it actually just become a no lynch?

that's fucked up.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 01:44 GMT

#354

Do you have any particular scumreads to nail down Rainbows?
It started to get stagnant and I don't want it to be stagnant t.t

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 01:47 GMT

#356

(for your information, I'm pretty null on everybody except for Superfluous and Nightcat, who I think are on the scummier side of the meter.)

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 01:48 GMT

#357

I don't think it's a scumslip, he's just talking.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 01:56 GMT

#364

He came in, emphasized his newness to the game, and it felt like he was giving excuses for not posting, not reasons.
(I realize that they're extremely similar, but I think it's a matter of tone)
the timing he came in at (right when we brought up lurkers) to be like "I'm trying not to lurk"
is just
kind of......weird?
I think it's out of place and scummy.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 02:02 GMT

#367

On July 13 2013 10:58 jrkirby wrote:

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He said he couldn't be in here at the beginning before the game started, right? No real reason to have suspicion on the lurkers yet, just note that they're lurking.

The difference here, is that he's ...... like
hard to articulate.
He is lurking, and pops in to post a comment at such a WEIRD time
like, immediately when the conversation mentions lurkers
compared to otherwise contributing thoughts.

I think Super is the best choice atm, but I'm by no means positive.

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 02:56 GMT

#374

Superfluous, Nightcat, I hope you guys see this as you read the threads when you get back from whatever you're doing~
What do you think about my accusations against the other?
Rather, Super, what do you think about Nightcat, and Nightcat, what do you think about Super?

Umasi

United States1399 Posts

July 13 2013 03:23 GMT

#380

On July 13 2013 12:19 StiMaDDict wrote:

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This. Pretty much repeating what Xzavier did in the last game, calling everyone retard, was from me being genuinely mad.

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Overall attitude in my posts and impolite words in them were for the purpose I have stated.

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Do note: I'm not a good actor and I am not sure whether there was a clear boundary between me being mad because of quotes and spoilers and pretending to be mad at Rainbow. I was not bothered by Rainbow's pressure to put it simply and it is not in my best interest to lie about this.

Aside from everything you just said which I really don't care too much about, you just told us you're not a good actor.
What made you think it was reasonable to act then?

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