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On July 15 2013 03:39 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:30 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 03:28 Rainbows wrote:On July 15 2013 03:19 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 03:16 Rainbows wrote:On July 15 2013 03:15 StiMaDDict wrote:
@Rainbow: Explain your unvote on Gotard please. Has your scumread on him changed or do you feel as if you need to change your vote due to majority voting system. I think he's scum. Just not the scum we're lynching today. Since he's voting JrKirby, I feel like Super is the better lynch. You're voting purely based on preflip associations, which you just said were bad? Both dudes on the block are scummy, Super just has less redeeming qualities.Pre-flip associations are bad. Very bad. Though as a mortal, I do bad things all the time. The problem I'm facing is figuring out which wagon is scum. My town reads are all over these two guys (and if my town reads are scum, GJ dudes, fuck these bad townies). Super just makes big paragraphs and has a ton of excuses blah blah blah. I have no qualms with lynching either of these guys, I may as well spin around and play pin-the-tail-on-the-scum at this point. Hurray for Day 1's, the only reason I'm rather 'meh' as town is because I have no information from the start. As scum I know all the things and am never wrong because my objective is to kill town. Fun Fact: I love playing scum :p Tell me your own reasoning, why is Super scum? You too, Koshi, I have no interest in doing so. I am also bored with the fact that we need to keep making our own giant posts to get completely ignored by your tunneling on Kirby. If you don't agree with me that both players look scummy atm but Kirby might be easier to read in Day 2 because he posts more and is more aggressive. Then we don't have much to discuss. If there are 6 votes on Kirby expect me to give the 7th. But for now I believe Super is the best choice.
Really when someone asks for your read you say say no and you dont want to make giant posts?
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On July 15 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote:
Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night.
Lol god I hate everything you post.
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On July 15 2013 05:13 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:07 Rainbows wrote:
Not really. I phone post 90% of the time so it's hard to sit down and make a case of it.
I feel like either of them could be scum. Super just toqnreads everyone when as town you should be suspect of everyone I lied this describes Gotard better. My votes on super but I really dont care who's lynched between the two. #Scummylogic
This sounds really familar where have I heard that before?
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On July 15 2013 14:14 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 14:07 Onegu wrote:On July 15 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote:
Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night. Lol god I hate everything you post. Why's that? I actually thought that post was pretty awesome. I don't necessarily AGREE with it, but I sure liked it :3
Mostly because everything he post is trying to use terrible misguided logic to push a lynch.
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On July 15 2013 05:35 Rainbows wrote:
unvote
vote: jrkirby
cus chrom said so
Sigh please dont do this all game.
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On July 15 2013 05:50 jrkirby wrote:
Well, superfluous is probably going to vote me, and I'll die.
So, reads:
hzflank and chromatically seem town.
Koshi, xzavier seem a bit scummy, not a bad choice.
cloud-9 is probably going to get replaced, no info on him.
nightcat might come back and be worth something, I wish he had realized he couldn't commit to this. Nullread.
Rainbows sounds pretty town to me too.
Hurricane is someone you should take a close look at, it's hard to tell. He might not be the best lynch tomorrow.
Umasi i don't have a good read on, neither stim.
Gotard would be an excellent lynch tomorrow if I die.
Read this and read it good.
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On July 15 2013 06:09 Rainbows wrote:
dude i have no idea kirby. My gut actually says you're town LOL.
Im prolly going to change my mind again anyway. I never really read all of what chrom was saying because i dont have time. Patience.
Mind Blown 
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On July 15 2013 07:30 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:26 Rainbows wrote:
Acceptable yes. Im really unsure of who to vote but super seems best imo.
Both might be town. You mentioned that, and that's why this is sort of an unholy alliance. Even though the odds are staggeringly in your favor, I would actually be more inclined to believe they were both scum rather than both town. I feel like I have a decent eye for town-on-town crime, although to be fair, kirby and super haven't been sniping at each other NEARLY enough for my taste. Regardless, this is good news. Now we just need Umasi to confirm he finds both players scummy, and we can decide this lynch.
This just seems like you are setting your self up that no matter the flip you dont get heat.
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On July 15 2013 07:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@ Umasi
@ Rainbows
We three control this lynch. I think everyone else is entrenched (via either conviction or inactivity). If you agree, we need to establish some things between the three of us.
First, do we all agree that both of the current wagons are acceptable lynch candidates?
Here you make sure 100% that the wagons stay exacty the same there will be one of these 2 town lynched.
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On July 15 2013 07:48 Rainbows wrote:
Scum are the quiet ones. 100%.
Lynch Gotard last hour of game :o
Not true at all, when scum are active they are much more disruptive to town and harder to find.
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Scumteam
Hurricane
Koshi
Rainbow/gotard
I am really confidant in my hurricane read btw, he made sure he led the council and could make sure we never got off a town/town bandwagon. Alot of his posts just seem like he wants town cred, unlike last game.
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On July 13 2013 21:54 Koshi wrote:I am from Belgium guys, This game started at 12PM and I was tired after a working week. I read the thread once now and my initial (this is without using filters, just reading all the posts) is that H.Sponge build enough town kred to not get lynched day 1 no matter what. I loved his opening post, and I loved his defense on that post. Even if he is scum, he has been very helpful to town, and every town should go and read that opening post. Scum reads are on Umasi and Chroma. Umasi because his entire early posts were just sucking up to H.Sponge, which is just not useful at all, H. Sponge clearly doesn't need to be defended like this. Another thing I dont like about Umasi is him trying to redirect the thread twice for a Superfluous train on a rather useless moment. Superfluous entered the thread with a bad post, but went afk after, which is not a clear scumread. Not enough the get a train going, and make the rest of the day useless. Chroma is currently tunneling so heavily on StiMaDDict. The guy is afk, treat him as an afk bad town till he comes back. It is a good thing to spark some conversation around StiMaDDict, but at this point I feel that Chroma is derailing more than necessarily. It's just tunneling into oblivion. I start filtering now: Reading Chroma his filter I get a serious scum vibe. Post like this: Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 11:39 Chromatically wrote:
Also just noticed that Sponge hasn't given a single opinion on anyone all game after saying that he wanted people to judge him on his scumhunting, interesting. This is just being a jack-ass, at least it would be if you say things like this in real life. In mafia it is trying to put suspicion onto somebody without saying anything. I haven't crosschecked this message with the referring Sponge message but it feels dirty. What was your intention while typing this down Chromo? @ Chromo, Do you agree that this is a very suspicious post? And explain to me why it is "interesting" that Sponge likes to have interaction on his scumreads while playing this game? Reading Umasi his filter after the Chroma filter makes me want to lynch one of these 2 guys. Umasi and Chroma are either bromancing it up on the stimaddict lynch, or they are both scum. Here is Umasi his game till now: --> Defend Sponge while pushing lynch on Superfluous. --> Argue with Sponge about Chroma while pusing a lynch on StiMaDDict.
First thing I have already said hurricane should not get town cred for that post, I would be MORE likely to post that as scum.
The second part you are correct the first time, there is no way that post of chromes is a scum tell.
On July 14 2013 07:11 Koshi wrote:
@hzflank
That is a really impressing post. I would give you a cookie but I will give you this instead.
##Vote: Superfluous
I also like the kirby case but kirby hasn't posted in the last 20 hours. So I am reluctant to put my vote on him. Kirby has proven that he can make big analytical posts or at least is willing to do so. He has proven that he can pick up on 1 scummier sentence in a big convincing pro town post. So I would like to give kirby the chance to do this before I put my vote on him.
I have already said I think super is bad town, I think you and hurricane are starting to make sure the lynch wagons stay on 2 town.
On July 14 2013 08:07 Koshi wrote:
I am not leaning Town on kirby AT ALL. But I am saying that I like the Super case much better. If there was a lynch right now I would go:
1) Super
2) kirby
3) Gotard
4) no lynch unless everybody really wants Stim.
Again keep wagons the same, but you are also ok with a no lynch?
On July 15 2013 00:10 Koshi wrote:
Guys, we need to get our shit together if we want a lynch. Don't forget we need at least 7 people on 1 guy. Both look perfect targets, let's try to come to a consensus now so that the more inactive people can follow us if they pop in.
I would say that Sponge and Umasi try to work this out and they give us final target? It seems that Chroma made the kirby case and that hzflank made the super case.
Me, StiM and all others should FOLLOW lead.
Same things with wagons, give control to choose to hurricane and tell others to sheep him.
On July 15 2013 03:39 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:30 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 03:28 Rainbows wrote:On July 15 2013 03:19 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 03:16 Rainbows wrote:On July 15 2013 03:15 StiMaDDict wrote:
@Rainbow: Explain your unvote on Gotard please. Has your scumread on him changed or do you feel as if you need to change your vote due to majority voting system. I think he's scum. Just not the scum we're lynching today. Since he's voting JrKirby, I feel like Super is the better lynch. You're voting purely based on preflip associations, which you just said were bad? Both dudes on the block are scummy, Super just has less redeeming qualities.Pre-flip associations are bad. Very bad. Though as a mortal, I do bad things all the time. The problem I'm facing is figuring out which wagon is scum. My town reads are all over these two guys (and if my town reads are scum, GJ dudes, fuck these bad townies). Super just makes big paragraphs and has a ton of excuses blah blah blah. I have no qualms with lynching either of these guys, I may as well spin around and play pin-the-tail-on-the-scum at this point. Hurray for Day 1's, the only reason I'm rather 'meh' as town is because I have no information from the start. As scum I know all the things and am never wrong because my objective is to kill town. Fun Fact: I love playing scum :p Tell me your own reasoning, why is Super scum? You too, Koshi, I have no interest in doing so. I am also bored with the fact that we need to keep making our own giant posts to get completely ignored by your tunneling on Kirby. If you don't agree with me that both players look scummy atm but Kirby might be easier to read in Day 2 because he posts more and is more aggressive. Then we don't have much to discuss. If there are 6 votes on Kirby expect me to give the 7th. But for now I believe Super is the best choice.
I just hate this, when someone asks give your points.
On July 15 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote:
Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night.
On July 15 2013 06:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:13 Umasi wrote:On July 15 2013 06:12 Koshi wrote:
Chrom is tunneling like a madman. He doesn't accept anything else than kirby is scum.
If you say not-kirby is scum, Chrom says: "WHY THE FUCK? MAKE A CASE"
If you say kirby is scum, Crom says NOTHING
Which is bullshit. Look at everybody that says kirby is scum, Chrom is just ignoring them. Koshi, that's useless Of course he ignores them if they say Kirby is scum, he doesn't need to convince them -.- lol? look at any other game. Sheeping is not allowed. My last post in the Nuclear Mafia game is " Guys I will follow you on X because I believe you". The answer that I got "Don't sheep, make your case if you follow".
Didnt you already say you were ok with sheeping this game, And again yes they should make thier own reads, but if they are voteing on something I feel strongly about it isnt my job to force them, if you feel the other wagon is correct its your job.
Do you really believe this? If I am dead I cannot find scum, cannot vote for scum. If I am alive as VT and playing a strong game I possibly force a KP on me instead of someone they think is a blue.
On July 15 2013 07:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:43 Chromatically wrote:
I would consolidate if it is literally the only way to avoid a no lynch. THIS IS BULLSHIT TOWN WE ARE GOING TO GET SO MUCH INFO WHEN WE LYNCH THERE ARE ONLY 3 FUCKING SCUMS. A MISSLYNCH IS NOT BAD. ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME? WE ALL AGREED THAT LYNCHING WAS GOOD. AND NOW CHROM WANTS TO PROTECT SUPER SO MADLY THAT A NO LYNHC IS OK? WE AGREE THAT THEY BOTH LOOK SCUM. FUCK THIS
Just lol, besides being wrong, remember that whole thing about being a jackass
On July 15 2013 08:06 Koshi wrote:
I am just going to trow this out here. But with a pending superfluous lynch. Do we want to see superfluous roleclaim? If he claims blue we might want to let him stay alive? It is up to scum to kill him tonight? Or not?
I realize fluff is fluff but maybe we want this to happen?
Why do we want this to happen? What good comes from his claim here it is so much worse that he lived and scum would know he was blue.
On July 15 2013 08:50 Koshi wrote:
#Unvote
#Koshi
You just blamed kirby for being a marytr why are you voteing yourself?
On July 15 2013 09:00 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 08:59 Umasi wrote:On July 15 2013 08:58 jrkirby wrote:
Ok, Gotard is an excellent lynch target tomorrow. I think chrom should only be lynched after a scum is found, but maybe checked by cop.
I have less of a feeling about koshi, umasi, super.
Xzavier is decent, but not the best lynch.
Chrom and super should be lynched together should one of them be scum by flip or cop check.
That's the best I got, GG guys. KIRBY WHY DID YOU NOT POST EARLIER FUCK DAMMIT SHIT TOO LATE NOW STAY THE COURSE IF YOU COULDN'T SEE THAT HE WAS USEFUL THE ENTIRE FUCKING GAME I QUESTION YOUR SANITY
Wait didnt you have a scum read on him for a long time so it obv wasnt the entire game...
On July 15 2013 11:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 11:07 Xzavier wrote:
let me specify, thoughts on the interactions of the circle beyond the core three. The circle was something silly. I have no reads there. They did nothing, except made themselves special.
Really no reads? You let them have power and told people to sheep them.
On July 15 2013 11:44 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 11:40 Xzavier wrote:
but they were all my top townreads, im interested in the people who joined in to sheep. The counsil were considered townreads. It isn't a problem to sheep your townreads when you have a hard time following.
Earlier you say dont sheep, now sheep, which is it?
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On July 15 2013 18:50 Gotard wrote:Hi Onegu. Nice to see ya! Chromatically - For me he looks more like a town that mafia. He tends to put himself in a headlights by creating wagons and defending them really strongly with no fear (but sometimes he's tunneling himself like when he was pressuring Stim). In 'The Super Case' he brought good points and made some more room for discussion. Would he make such a strong defense to save his scum buddy? I don't thing so because after Super flipping scum he would be in a big trouble. Pushing lynch isn't scummy if you have good points and your target barely shows and signs of life innocence. Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 15:57 Onegu wrote:
Scumteam
Hurricane
Koshi
Rainbow/gotard
I am really confidant in my hurricane read btw, he made sure he led the council and could make sure we never got off a town/town bandwagon. Alot of his posts just seem like he wants town cred, unlike last game. Hurricane ensured lynch that day. Everyone agreed that both of them are super scummy. I think leadership like that is useful when you need majority to lynch. His posts are super pro town in general and leading town like that even in wrong direction isn't scummy to me. Koshi - reading comprehension... I will address him later after reading his filter.
I will say this it is hard for me to be objective since I already knew there was a mislynch, but I tried my best, but you are right he made sure there was a lynch, but he made sure to focus on those two and didnt let it drift away, if he is scum he knows it is a town town bandwagon it doesnt matter he ensures a lynch as long as he ensures it on one of them, which is what he did.
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On July 15 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote:
Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night.
Somehow my point on this got deleted.
Really you believe this? If I am dead I lose my scumhunting, I lose my vote. And if I am VT and playing a strong game I can force a KP on me that could be directed at a blue instead of me if I am mislynched.
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On July 15 2013 19:18 Koshi wrote:
Do I have to reply somewhere?
You dont have too you can say you dont want I guess...
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On July 15 2013 19:25 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 19:22 Onegu wrote:On July 15 2013 19:18 Koshi wrote:
Do I have to reply somewhere? You dont have too you can say you dont want I guess... No I mean, do you have question for me? You are just analysing the bad parts in my log, ignoring some other things. The question is? Are the points that you just summed up me being scum? Or is it just me being me?
Look I didnt ignore them, I am SCUM hunting, so I am going to point out SCUMMY posts. It is your job to post a defense and why you are town not mine, that way people can make informed decisions. You can change my mind, it is possible, but this post just makes me feel more scummy from you.
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I am saying the same thing as you. Vanilla Townies should do their best during day and then die from a KP.
Ok I am sorry here you are correct I read to fast.
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On July 15 2013 16:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 09:16 Chromatically wrote:
ahhhhhhhhhh
The case on Kirby was better than the one on Super, Kirby only looked town for the last ~10 minutes. I'll stand by that.
One of Super or Koshi is scum. Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip to me. I'll also look at Nightcat because he didn't care about who was lynched at all. @OneguCan you please comment on this post by Chroma? I don't want you to comment solely on Chroma, but give your own opinion on the different parts of it. 1)One of Super or Koshi is scum a) Multiple times Chroma said Super wasn't scum, kirby flip shouldn't affect this. Your opinion? b) Why is it Super or Koshi? What is the connection between us? 2) Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip. a) Do you agree that superfluou would have been a better lynch over kirby? Why? I think that kirby could have been more useful and easier to read Day 2.
1. I dont understand this, its like saying kirby or chrome is scum. It doesnt make sense find reasons for them being scum and then use votes as iceing on the cake.
2. I will be biased here because I know the flip already so it is hard for me to answer this. I dont think super is scum. You guys hardly ever went off bandwagon. You let hurricane control this, not saying it is 100% your fault as anyone could have spoken up. I feel it is easier for scum to hide in majority lynch as there wont be 3 bandwagons so when all the votes will be on only 2 people scum has good reasons for being on a bandwagon as it is harder to analyse flips because no one will be off a bandwaggon.
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There should be a comma in between sense and find.
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More on point one and exactly what I mean. Dont let flips and who voted/lead the bandwaggon be the ONLY reason you vote for someone. Moreso on prefilp acusations.
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