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On June 29 2013 01:34 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
yeah i'm not sure gonzaw. I know i'm not scum so it can't be 2. Also, gonzaw imagine i'm scum and sk8r is town. The only people who know anything at all about the TARDIS are my scumbuddies and sk8r. I know sk8r can pass it. Why don't I at night just tell sk8r to use his role to me and give me a gift or something. . ?? You could just say in the QT "Okay, kita, you tell in thread to give the TARDIS to you, sk8 will surely give it to you if you sugar-coat it enough. I won't say anything because I'll gain attention to myself, and I want to be the 'hidden' scum that survives until LYLO" In fact that actually makes more sense than you personally telling sk8 to give you the tardis. Show nested quote +The TARDIS stays hidden from town and scum have it without being obvious about it Please tell me how what ACTUALLY happened (most-likely-scum kita getting the TARDIS) is any different than that? If you have to tell sk8 IN THREAD to give it to you the tardis doesn't "stay hidden", are you kidding me? Also "without being obvious about it" is surely enough for mafia. kita was "so obvious" he avoided the D2 lynch. Why would you asking sk8 in thread to give it to you, and then you saying stuff like "Hey, now I'm giving the TARDIS to kita/geript okay? Oh yeah sorry gonzaw/BC I don't trust you guys with it!" on D2 NOT "being obvious about it" either? Show nested quote +Actually, think about this.
IF I WAS SCUM AND KITA WAS SCUM, I WOULD HAVE TOLD KITA TO BUS MEAPAK TO SAVE HIM FROM BC'S SHOT. SO KITA AND I CAN'T BOTH BE SCUM. SAY HE'S NOT SCUM. SAY I'M SCUM, I SEE SOMEONE ASKING FOR THE TARDIS SO I TELL SK8R TO GIVE IT TO ME INSTEAD BECAUSE I JUST DEFENDED HIM SO HE TRUSTS ME AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT TO NONSCUM. I'M THEN ABLE TO SAVE MEAPAK. BASICALLY I THINK I JUST PROVED I'M NOT SCUM LOL. Don't you fucking lie: Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 12:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
so i got some answers gonzaw. The TARDIS activates immediately. The only way a dayvig shot can be bus driven by the TARDIS is if the person getting shot has the TARDIS. Also, please read this page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=64BC claims MZ is mafia and shoots him right there Do you see kita? No? Well that's because he is not active How can inactive kita save MZ from the shot if he's not there to activate it? This would also assume kita would have known BC had ANOTHER SHOT he could use on MZ, then figure out he needs to bus MZ with someone else, and do so, in the 9 minutes it took BC to shoot MZ!
I will repeat this, because you are fucking contradicting yourself:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
IF I WAS SCUM AND KITA WAS SCUM, I WOULD HAVE TOLD KITA TO BUS MEAPAK TO SAVE HIM FROM BC'S SHOT. Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 12:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
The TARDIS activates immediately. The only way a dayvig shot can be bus driven by the TARDIS is if the person getting shot has the TARDIS.
Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:23 kitaman27 wrote:
So let me get this straight:
geript, xfire, and I are scum buddies.
I decide to claim in the thread about the TARDIS, knowing that xfire created it, because outing two scum members is totally worth the one-shot medic protect. xfire decided to claim in the thread that he created the TARDIS role to implicate himself, because why not?! Kurumi is lying about the TARDIS getting drained because he likes to troll town and my role has nothing to do with the TARDIS. Geript decides to use his day vig power on myself, knowing that I have the bus drive ability and can bus the results of the vote to any player, but rather than challenging someone like Sk8r and busing a shot from Sk8r to BC anonymously, he wants to shoot his scum buddy and implicate the two of us even more.
That's the most likely scenario? LOL You are 3P survivor, why do you give a shit what we think of Xfire if you win either way? Why would you get nervous just because some townie is speculating about some random players you SHOULDNT care about? You havent' posted ANY interesting thing at all until right now, yet a random townie accuses some other random townie/scum and suddenly you come out of nowhere to defend him? Huh kita? Mind explaining that to me?
Give this man the $10,000.
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On June 29 2013 01:41 Crossfire99 wrote:well gonzaw, i'm not lying. the hosts condradicted themselves. Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 12:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
so i got some answers gonzaw. The TARDIS activates immediately. The only way a dayvig shot can be bus driven by the TARDIS is if the person getting shot has the TARDIS.
Gonzaw, the only restriction on who can have the TARDIS is that if 2 scum have the TARDIS in a row, they can't choose who to pass it to for the next person, so it is random. Because Kurumi just had it and died, it was randomly distributed and anyone can have it no restrictions.
As for what option to choose. I actually don't know if it is a good choice for me to use the rubber duck now knowing what we know. The only way scum can get dayvigged is if they don't have the TARDIS, but that means they will still have it tonight. Them being able to busdrive will mess us up. Therefore it is probably a good idea for me to have my bus drive ability to use to tonight to give scum something to worry about. I know this is difficult for you to allow because you think I might be scum, but I think we are in such desperate straights that we need to do something to save ourselves. I won't make my choice now, but I'm just throwing this out there. I got those answers from sent. Today i got answers from dec. and they're different. He told me that i don't know when teh tardis activates. He told me the TARDIS supersedes all day actions which means to mean that whoever has the TARDIS can do whatever they want. I specifically asked about silent dayvigs and what not. and to further muddle the waters, sent told me i get my day ability now and dec told me i get it tonight.
How does this change the fact that someone would have had to protect OR bus MZ in 9 minutes, unless the TARDIS can undo the fucking shot after MZ flipped.
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Gonzaw can we track TARDIS actions to see if it was used twice in a row? I feel like it was so your scenario doesn't make sense.
Obviously Kurumi wasn't lying but since we don't know Kita's real role there's nothing that says he can't get the hosts to send a fake PM or something.
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It might be the confidence is a massive bluff and the TARDIS can't be used anymore...? I don't know if that's a risk we can take.
Sk8 and SnB fucked us over so hard.
If it was just 'used twice--->gets drained' then why wouldn't it have been in Sk8's role PM? I can't see hosts nerfing something and not telling the guy who HAS the fucking role.
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On June 29 2013 01:55 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 29 2013 01:41 Crossfire99 wrote:well gonzaw, i'm not lying. the hosts condradicted themselves. On June 28 2013 12:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
so i got some answers gonzaw. The TARDIS activates immediately. The only way a dayvig shot can be bus driven by the TARDIS is if the person getting shot has the TARDIS.
Gonzaw, the only restriction on who can have the TARDIS is that if 2 scum have the TARDIS in a row, they can't choose who to pass it to for the next person, so it is random. Because Kurumi just had it and died, it was randomly distributed and anyone can have it no restrictions.
As for what option to choose. I actually don't know if it is a good choice for me to use the rubber duck now knowing what we know. The only way scum can get dayvigged is if they don't have the TARDIS, but that means they will still have it tonight. Them being able to busdrive will mess us up. Therefore it is probably a good idea for me to have my bus drive ability to use to tonight to give scum something to worry about. I know this is difficult for you to allow because you think I might be scum, but I think we are in such desperate straights that we need to do something to save ourselves. I won't make my choice now, but I'm just throwing this out there. I got those answers from sent. Today i got answers from dec. and they're different. He told me that i don't know when teh tardis activates. He told me the TARDIS supersedes all day actions which means to mean that whoever has the TARDIS can do whatever they want. I specifically asked about silent dayvigs and what not. and to further muddle the waters, sent told me i get my day ability now and dec told me i get it tonight. How does this change the fact that someone would have had to protect OR bus MZ in 9 minutes, unless the TARDIS can undo the fucking shot after MZ flipped. Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 06:23 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 24 2013 06:18 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:There is no way he picked up a mason, or the Mason would have been shot as well. The role clearly says Pick up companion - you pick up a companion. Your companion travels with you in your TARDIS and anything that happens to you also happens to him. You may only have one companion at once. You share a mason chat with your companion. Yeah you're right. I didn't think through that completely, I just saw him post asking about masons immediately after solstice got shot, but before his role was revealed and then the Doctor was revealed to be able to mason people, so I got suspicious. I jumped the gun a little. Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 06:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Jack the ripper has claimed another victim Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 07:00 deconduo wrote:Rose Tyler had been acting increasingly suspicious, and eventually someone acted on it. A sword ripped through her stomach and she dissolved into a heap of fleshy goo. Colonel Manton laughed far away in his control room, "Looks like they figured out about our Doppelgängers." A voice responded from the shadows, "Looks like you forgot to watch your back" Meapak_Ziphh as Rose Tyler as Colonel Manton has been eviscerated. + Show Spoiler +You are Colonel Manton
In order to trick the doctor you and your allies have kidnapped and disguised as some of his allies. In addition you have taken their powers. [Redacted]
Your allies are:
[Redacted]
You have a [Redacted]
You win with The Church
Your disguise is as follows:
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You are Rose Tyler!
You are a capable and resourceful companion to the Doctor. Throughout your journeys together, you have proven capable of taking the initiative and defusing difficult situations on your own. As such, your own influence is considerable, and you are bound and determined to get people talking.
During the day phase, you may PM the host with the names of two players. These two players will then be masoned for the following night phase. Rose Tyler will have read only access to the mason QT, and the masoned players will not be directly told that there is someone observing.
At any point in the game, you may permanently give up this power and assume the form of 'the Bad Wolf' by typing ##gaze into the Heart of the TARDIS in thread. The Bad Wolf means business.
In the form of 'the Bad Wolf,' you become a dealer of death, and gain one vigilante bullet. This bullet can be used at any time. If used during the day, the Bad Wolf must type ##divide atoms (target) in thread to perform the shot. If used at night, the shot functions as a typical vigilante shot. If the shot is targeted at the Doctor, 'the Bad Wolf' instead deals 1KP to herself.
Note to hosts: This is my first PTP so I'm not sure if this is broken as hell. I wanted to include the Bad Wolf storyline for Rose, but it's hard to make this anything other than a KP dealing role. So I ended up with what is essentially a vigilante with flair...a gun with a little bit of extra investigative/manipulative power.
You win with The Alliance I posted 2 minutes before bc said that meapak was mafia. I can also tell you that there were 30 minutes to the flip. There is more then enough time for something to be done if i had the tardis. But you're right kita had it. There is no reason for kita to draw attention to the tardis if we were scum together because i could have gotten sk8r to give it to me quietly. Then meapak doesn't die to bc. Therefore kita and i aren't the same alignment. If i was scum, why would i let a non scum player ask for the tardis when I could have gotten it myself.
How could you have gotten sk8 to give it to you quietly exactly?
I also don't see how that proves you and kita aren't the same alignment, especially if you wanted to avoid it going to someone random because scum got it twice.
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I would post a picture of a flail because of all this flailing being done by the scumteam right now, but Sent will yell at me and I'm just a head so I can't duel him with lightsabres.
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On June 29 2013 02:15 gonzaw wrote:Hey Xfire: Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:48 gonzaw wrote:
Speaking of which, would you mind explaining that "Xata claimed he wasn't RBed" thing? Please explain Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
It might be the confidence is a massive bluff and the TARDIS can't be used anymore...? I don't know if that's a risk we can take.
Sk8 and SnB fucked us over so hard.
If it was just 'used twice--->gets drained' then why wouldn't it have been in Sk8's role PM? I can't see hosts nerfing something and not telling the guy who HAS the fucking role. Why isn't it possible? IF Xfire told them not to tell him that it's possible. If the hosts wanted to nerf the role without altering the role PM it's possible. From what I gather, it's not that sk8 is the "master of the tardis", he's just a guy that has the TARDIS at the beginning of the game, thus he would get the same info as any other player that gets the TARDIS. If Xfire/hosts don't want those players to know that info about the TARDIS, then they wouldn't want sk8 to know either.
Ok I didn't know that kind of thing was possible.
I forgot about the other roles that were created by the dead people...this mason/dayvig business. Masoning could also explain how kita knew about the TARDIS but if this is true then it changes everything we've talked about.
I think at this point we need a list of the roles and who created them....and for those we don't know we at least need to write down what was claimed about them.
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On June 29 2013 02:24 gonzaw wrote:Anyways, this is good, because we now know with 80% certainty one of these is true:These are the only possible configuration of players+alignments:(Read Xfire's post here to figure out why: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=113#2247 )Option 1:kita is 3rd party
Xfire is town
Austin is scum
Xatalos is scumOption 2:kita is scum
Xfire is scum
Austin is town
Xatalos is townSo choose people! I'll take bets!So, Austin+Xata you should like make a case on kita and Xfire being scumbuddies and shit (although I kind of already did it for you) Xfire, make a case for Austin+Xata being scumbuddies. Please explain Xata's tunnel on austin, and all the shit that needs to be explained. Disclaimer: I'm assuming there are either 3 scum and 1 3P, or 4 scum. If it's not actually like that the above options may differ....and if it's not actually like that fuck the system dear god
Your 1st option has 4 scum and 3p.
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On June 29 2013 02:39 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:36 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:35 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:34 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 29 2013 02:26 gonzaw wrote:
This is important, because if we figure out Option 1 is real, then BC shouldn't shoot kita tonight, but rather Austin/Xata No, the shot needs to be on kita either way. Why? So we don't have to waste a lynch on him. We should rather kill scum than a survivor. He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter. If we kill kita but not all scum, then the game still goes on If we kill all scum but not kita, then we already win the game If we figure out kita is indeed 3P, then we HAVE to shoot Xatalos instead (check the options above), we could win the game faster. Unless you believe scum-aligned-survivor kita has an ability that can wreck town shit
He's already BEEN wrecking town shit.
What you guys don't seem to understand is that he contradicted himself with his claim about 3P survivor.
He claimed to want to play with town to win, and he could have done so, but instead he kills one of us, then claiming he was worried that if we were in a good position we'd have room to lynch him so he was trying to force LYLO.
IF HE WAS PLAYING WITH/FOR US WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE LYNCH HIM FOR NO REASON? Just to fuck him over and win solely as town? Makes no sense.
Kita is scum, and that's all there is to it. There is enough hidden role bullshit flying around that his knowledge of the TARDIS can be explained through other means, ie masoning.
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We need to fucking YOLO SOMETHINGGGG
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Plus I want to use my hidden power.
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I'm still with DI, I want kita dead. This game becomes infinitely easier to figure out once he is
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On June 29 2013 02:49 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Plus I want to use my hidden power. I wanna know 
Shhh. All in good time. This hidden power is potentially a game-changer but it requires a very specific set of conditions. Right now it wouldn't do anything.
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On June 29 2013 02:52 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm still with DI, I want kita dead. This game becomes infinitely easier to figure out once he is Haha best reasoning ever. If we just reach the endgame post, we can figure everything out! 
If you wanted to win, you shouldn't have been/chosen scum.
Game's not over if we kill you, friend.
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If kita flips now, things get easier.
Trust.
You guys are so lucky I don't have a gun I woulda rambo'd that shit ages ago. I have a vain hope that the TARDIS is out of power or some shit and right now it's scum-bluff city.
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BC needs to get in here and shoot somebody.
Anyone will do, honestly.
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On June 29 2013 03:14 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:51 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 02:48 Dandel Ion wrote:
A busdriver could be good.
In conjunction with the medic we can protect both BC and gonzo.
Problem is coordinating it is impossible, so it's not all that useful in practice. i can coordinate with gonzo using my role info lol. gonzaw should i choose dandel instead of bc for austin's thing tonight so bc can still use his role tonight? i didnt send the pm yet I'm not giving you bus driver if you are scum Want to prove to me you are town? Make a good case against Xata then, and maybe austin it you think he's scum as well
Honestly..this kind of thinking is a little bit stupid.
It's easy enough to fabricate a case either way when you're told what the outcome is supposed to be.
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Didn't Xata claim vote thief? (or forced vote or whatever)
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On June 29 2013 03:24 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Didn't Xata claim vote thief? (or forced vote or whatever) Yeah, but he's never done it. Actually he said he was going to do it last night, but I roleblocked him, which he lied about. Additionally it would make sense as him for scum to say he was going to do it to geript who is his scum buddy because then he will be "forced" to vote for kita because I think xata is lying about his role and can't do what he says he can.
This is a very good point.
I remember looking at DI's fake role claim and thinking it wasn't in line with the craziness and multiple abilities of the other roles...turns out I was right (also because I remembered he had my role and could probably fakeclaim a role if hosts allowed him to).
Xata's role seems to be....missing something one way or the other.
Xata has been my primary scumread for some time now and I'd believe it more than you being scum, Xfire. The only thing that doesn't work is kita being 3P which I just DO NOT believe---and then I can't figure out how he would have figured out abot the TARDIS.
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And I continue to state, I want kita dead.
The game is not lost if he dies.
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