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On June 06 2013 16:19 Umasi wrote: That's the thing, he felt so abrasive it was hard for him to be scum, but backing down and being like "he's probably town" is annoying, because I feel like he'll bring it up again pointlessly, merely to spite me. And my gut instinct then will be to say "he's mafia!!!!" which is WRONG. And it's BAD for him to do that. regardless. The first thing was his preemptive reasoning, which I took as an excuse, and still kind of do. there's nothing for him to be afraid of if he's town, so it's kinda scummy! Might as well talk about it. When he comes back and tells us to vote on him, I couldn't think of any possible fucking reason other than "he's stirring the pot, and that's scummy." Apparently, it was to generate discussion, but I still don't know why he'd go back and bring it up again in the manner that he did. It felt like he was just drilling it in that he wasn't giving an excuse (and I still think that he FUCKING WAS, because it gives him reasoning to fall back on, and quickly assuages peoples doubts of him, but that doesn't make him mafia). When Xzav pulled off of him, I don't know why he kept poking me to go at him. That's stupid! Why would he want me to stay on him? That's....bad. It means my vote is on the wrong person. This confused me. And threatening to lynch me if my list of reads was unsatisfactory is stupid if he's done fuck all anyway. What really makes me feel he's town though is that he says he's abrasive for shits and giggles, because it fits in with the way he'd been playing, because he never felt antagonistic, just trolly, which isn't necessarily scum. I think that made sense. Also, iV, me wasting my vote isn't your FAULT, but it sure as shit is your CONCERN, because you want scum lynched. If it is related to the entire me on iV thing, I think I talked through my thought process relatively well, and if that leaves questions unanswered, I'll comply. | ||
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So please be more active in the future. | ||
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Everyone look into Gotard who hasn't, form your own opinion of him, But no seriously, form your own opinion on him | ||
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as in, be cautious, compared to telling us he had no pro town posts. That said, him coming back and saying basically nothing doesn't convince me, especially because he has a very weak defense where he basically says "I'm not scum, let's go catch scum huh?" And this is my first game too, and people DO seem to know what they're doing, but I'm not going to call myself inferior and apologize for it, before I've even done anything wrong. I'm going to recognize I MAY BE inferior, and be more cautious because of it. That said, can you explain what mistake you were apologizing for? | ||
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But if Firere hasn't posted anything of worth by the next lynch period, I'll happily consider him. | ||
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Sure! Which is why we can't be a hundred percent positive. And I do think he could have received help in the scum QT, but I think that absolving someone because they didn't improve over the course of the day is stupid. It's entirely possible that the others in the QT were just /afk while he was around, or that their collective consensus was "lessen your attack on xzav, jeez, that was an awful idea." As for the coach, they don't try to give direct advice, so possibly he laid out a guideline for gotard to follow, or whatever, it's entirely possible that the coach didn't respond either or he didn't ask the coach. In general, I think it is wise to ignore possible coach help/scum qt talking. And just because he doesn't have a plan doesn't mean he's town t.t Rather here, I'm going to link to Ver's guide again http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475 Look at misders first posts. What does misders plan look like in his very first post? Well...he basically says nothing, and you can't really discern a plan from it. The difference is, in gotards, he slipped up and we immediately pressured him, giving him little to change the subject off of. | ||
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Gotard, you became suspect number one after xzav posted what I think is a killer case on you. And a contribution is not the number of posts you have (in which case man you're set over them), it's what you've..wait for it....contributed to the discussion, and you contributed either A nothing or B xzav as a possible lynch, which is straight up counterproductive, because heaven would have to fall on its shoulders if xzav were lynched today. You were counterproductive, and you haven't yet become productive, and townies aren't "wasting their time on you", because if we found you to be townie, that is not time wasted. | ||
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Anyway, Gotard is not innocent until proven scum, I think xzav proved he was scum, I want to stick on him. For now, he's scum until proven innocent, in which case I'll happily pull off. | ||
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(turns out I'm around for fifteen more minutes, didn't check the schools wacky schedule for finals day) | ||
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I don't know if any of us know for sure. except scum of course. | ||
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..I don't think that makes much sense, it sounds a bit too townie heavy. in the two recent newbie mafias (XL and XLI) it was 9 town 3 mafia I'd be willing to bet we have a serial killer, but I have literally zero hard evidence supporting it. | ||
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And by quite a bit less sure I mean a huge amount less sure, although Gotard is still scummy imo t.t | ||
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That said, I'll look at lone meow and see what I think about him since he's the center of discussion. | ||
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Gotard happening to BE on firere means that he's a lot less likely to be scum, and I didn't want to hassle firere since it was entirely possible he was just busy. Similar to Yavanna being around then suddenly not being around. Is it a scum tell that she hasn't been around? What if something legitimately came up? I'm wary of lynching people for being afk, because shit happens. To reiterate: I think gotard played like scum day one, in everything except his vote. That said, his vote was a big enough deal, being on scum, that it condemned firere. However, I think he was objectively scummy. His posts since then have been better. If you'll notice me saying "I'll give him time to contribute", we lynched him and he never had time to contribute. Also, he mentions his gut read is "umasi town, gotard maf", which is another strike for townie on gotard. Calling me town is absolutely considerable, but I don't know what I'm supposed to say to counteract what a scum has said t.t | ||
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I didn't overlook him trying to feel inclusive with that post, I actually address it. I comment about not knowing WHY he's trying to feel inclusive, and don't actually call him scum for it, but I certainly don't fucking overlook it. | ||
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