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Umasi
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screw it going to try and sleep and probably fail and come back but if not good night | ||
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On June 06 2013 22:54 iVLosK! wrote: Umasi, take me through your thought process here. Why the random vote? Was it to "get the ball rolling?" And if so, why remove it 6 minutes later, leaving the ball completely unrolled. I had no idea how to start the game so I made a random vote, which would accomplish nothing, and promptly took it off. | ||
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On June 06 2013 23:15 Onegu wrote: Ok 2 things the first he kept the iV thing going on alot lomger than it needed to be. Secomd and the thing that made me feel the most was he would make a statement and when the majority had different ideals he would conform to them. This is what feels like he is scum. If I were scum, why would I stay on this train of thought longer than I needed to? It's obviously only drawn attention to myself and basically confirmed iV as town to everyone else. Why is it scummy to stick on it like that? And I conform to the majority because if everyone else thinks something about the situation, and I'm here thinking something different, but enough people disagree that they can't all be mafia, I realize that I'm probably mistaken and should reevaluate the situation! Would you prefer I keep tunneling him? Even when it's blatantly counterproductive at that point? | ||
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Unless there is a reason I don't see that town would pay more attention to the OP than a scum! I think commenting on how it seems too easy, and telling us to wait, is more interesting, because it feels like he's trying to be inclusive here, when really it was me talking to myself, getting jabbed by iV, and xzav being logical... And I don't know why he felt like part of that group? | ||
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I'm new and feel inferior, but have tried to do what I can, even if it's bad! So say what's on your mind! | ||
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On June 07 2013 05:39 Yavanna wrote: Fferllyt I read what you wrote on Umasi. There’s a few things I’d add after taking a closer look at his filter The early vote stuck in my mind too. It looked really self-conscious. If you are voting to raise discussion, why does it get removed as soon as someone mentions it? It looks like he had no goal at all with the early vote, as pretty much no positive discussion has been generated by it. The guides said look for both town and scum motivation behind postings, and I am having trouble seeing the town motivation behind a 5 second vote. The rest of his votes too seem like he is playing to some agenda, not earnestly trying to lynch scummy people. This quote too raised my eyebrows: Pointing out the possibility of being blue doesn’t sit right with me. We are not blue-hunting. I’m worried that it’s on his mind and so easily popped out because he actually IS blue-hunting in the scum QT. What does everyone make of this? There’s also a lot to be said for the benefit of the scum team in regards to getting into a shitfest. From the games I’ve read, it causes town to lose focus, and can be a tactic to misdirect town. It makes me nervous that he was so willing to dive in. He has since addressed it, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it cluttered the thread up at the time of the argument. Combined with the stuff you spoke about fferyl, and the stuff I pointed out, I’m very suspicious of Umasi. If the day ended now, I’d be down with lynching him or Firere. I want to hear what both of them have to say to the accusations against them though, specifically the blue thing (Umasi) I will address the blue part at the end. I agree with you, that scum would benefit from a shitfest, which is what annoyed me the entire time. It felt like he was taking a standoffish /come at me stance, and I felt this could be scum motivated, to start a shitfest, and he was confident he would come out of it on top, so I pursued the avenue of "this guy probably is scum", because he wants me to start a shitfest. Which I unfortunately did, but i don't think it actually messed up the thread too much, I think it made it possible for the thread to get GOING, since before that, it was just talk about lynching lurkers, which I didn't see the point in. The entire blue thing was me addressing all possibilities, and I was led to think he was scummy based on his responses, but I wouldn't have discounted the possibility of him being blue from that line, because it's equally telling either way. But I'm not going to straight up say "you are blue, PUNK" because that's STUPID, that doesn't generate discussion, that just turns people around to say ".....so?" and then he doesn't claim because that'd be an awful idea and we're nowhere. | ||
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Why xzav? You said you liked his logic, didn't you? And he's not particularly scummy, at least not in my opinion | ||
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I think xzav explained later why he said "yeah burn him" it was to pressure discussion | ||
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What's special about me, or him working with anyone? | ||
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Why go for the guy who's play you have openly complimented? Rather, why consider the guy you've openly complimented over the people you have not. It doesn't matter if you think he was too quick to team up with me, that's not actually relevant here. If he's a pro town influence, why consider him as a lynch over others? | ||
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What can I try to explain? | ||
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And it is suspicious that he just logged when the pressure was on, it's possible he just needed to sleep! Basically I haven't consolidated my views on him, but he is playing in a scummy fashion, and doing scummy things, similar to how I posted a scummy list, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's SCUM. | ||
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You have me convinced, but I'm going to reread his filter and see if I can find anything to add/conflict with your argument, and going to try to avoid confirmation biasing my way through it In other words: You're probably right, but I want to make sure on my own. | ||
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On June 07 2013 07:01 Gotard wrote: You are fist on my list  and Xzavier was 2nd and i expressed my doubts about him in the same sentence I accused him. 2nd vote doesn't matter much if you only have one. It was like "if you are a scum he might be one as well".It's relevant if someone rushes to join someone else's accusations it might mean that he isn't townie. Few pro town posts during first day dosn't mean that guy is innocence. You can never be 100% sure who is who and you can throw random votes on people if you have even one small reason. I know I've made some big mistakes and I hope you won't lynch me today PS unfortunately I have to go to sleep. See you later today (00:01 in EU ).Like, what kind of big mistake could he have made? I don't think we ever said things to convince him xzav was super townie, how did he recognize it as a mistake? did he think it was a mistake to provoke town sentiment against him, by giving a post that turned out to be counterproductive? And it doesn't matter at all who he would lynch, it matters who he is going to lynch, and there are PLENTY of options. If I'm the scummiest to him, he should damn well vote me. Just because I could be an active townie does not mean that killing me as a #1 scum read is a bad idea, because an active scum is BAD. | ||
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I think we can draw parallels between Gotard and Misder that are not trivial: Ver: Newer mafia players will try to emphasize their inexperience as a way of overcompensating. Gotard: After reading everything twice I've came with conclusion that some of you are far from being newbies like me Like, right from the fucking get go. And he acknowledges that he made a mistake (see above), which I take as basically apologizing. Why would he apologize? For holding a contrary read? | ||
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