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Spicydinosaur
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2. LoneMeow looks scummy as hell. StiMaDDict and Skanjab1s do a good job analyzing his posts and I sheep their sentiment. I'd also like to add that LoneMeow wrote a couple of excuse for not posting posts. On June 07 2013 16:25 LoneMeow wrote: Good morning, and sorry for being a bit inactive yesterday, had a rather exciting day IRL. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
2. another quote from lone On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote: Crap, running out of time. 3. Since i led the lynch against firere I feel theres a strong chance I will die tonight so I want to give some advice for D2 if I dont make it. If you are roleblocked, please tell us (though since mafia roleblocker is dead this is less of a worry). If you were mason talked to tonight it may be beneficial to post the conversation for everyone to see, its up to you. If there is a doctor, save the person you think is the towniest. Investigators... lonemeow is a good target and Xzavier is as well i think. I'll be on and off all day today getting more thoughts out. Also good job again everyone on finding the scum. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
Xzavier's quick flip at the end bothers me as I thought him town up to that point. Before the vote Xzavier had a lot of analysis on why Gotard was scum, but ignored a lot of what everyone else (me included) was saying to counter this. Not sure if this was scum driven or if Xzavier was just tunneling Gotard so much that he couldn't see any other view. His last post is a stark contradiction to what he has been saying prior. On June 08 2013 16:38 Xzavier wrote: Hno like when i try to think of gotards posts as if he were scum: its suicidal. Like how stupid do you hav to be to consistantly attack the confermed town. firere's flip also supports him being town. Is it safe to say no scum bussed firere? cuz he only got lynched by one vote? this gives us a list of people to check on. Somebody tell me if the above is correct logic pls? The bolded part is what is important. Here he finally accepts the logic that he was ignoring for so long. But this revelation on comes AFTER his failed lynching of Gotard. Why not listen to others before? Just an observation could warrant an invest check | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 09 2013 04:01 Umasi wrote: I'm back. I derped and didn't see gotard on firere, or at least it didn't register, so I'd accept that he's not scum, but I think the case on him pre-flip was rock solid by xzav. That entire part is why I think he is/was scummy, we talked about it for quite a while. That said, I'll look at lone meow and see what I think about him since he's the center of discussion. The case was far from rock solid and pretty clear he wasn't scum. I'm actually a bit concerned on how you brushed off my criticism of firere and your general thoughts on him. Heres what you said about firere: On June 07 2013 04:27 Umasi wrote: Why wouldn't newbie scum read the rules equally carefully? A newbie town and a newbie scum have equal interest in the setup of the game, so using it to try to indicate if someone is mafia or town seems irrelevant. Unless there is a reason I don't see that town would pay more attention to the OP than a scum! I think commenting on how it seems too easy, and telling us to wait, is more interesting, because it feels like he's trying to be inclusive here, when really it was me talking to myself, getting jabbed by iV, and xzav being logical... And I don't know why he felt like part of that group? A somewhat valid point but it comepletly overlooked firere's statement of "Wait guys, this seems too easy." The tone just felt so scummy. On June 07 2013 04:36 Umasi wrote: I think that the jester question is null, I think that his telling us to be more careful is scummy. On June 07 2013 14:43 Umasi wrote: Firere, I don't even know what I'm fucking ACCUSED of, and if someone would spell it out, I'd be happy to comply with their demands. Gotard IS aware of what he was accused of, and has not complied. On June 07 2013 14:47 Umasi wrote: Also, Firere, to me it looks like you just came in, promised to be more active, pointed out something that everyone has pointed out, and given an excuse for asking the jester question. Thank you for explaining the jester question! That said, if you AREN'T more active in the future, it's going to be annoying as shit. So please be more active in the future. This seems like "please stop being so scummy or they will find out about you." You thank him for an explanation that you deemed irrelevant in one of your previous quotes. So why the pat on the back post? This next quote here is quite troubling. On June 08 2013 00:02 Umasi wrote: Spicy, I agree that Firerer looks suspicious, because he hasn't posted anything of worth yet, but I think it's okay to give him a bit of time to come contribute. I don't want to be distracted from a Gotard lynch today unless someone posts a super rock solid defense of him. But if Firere hasn't posted anything of worth by the next lynch period, I'll happily consider him. Giving someone a pass for not posting ANYTHING of worth for an entire day doesn't make a lot of sense as that is exactly what scum want to do. Also of note is how firere said that he thought Umasi was town. Not a true indicator of scum buddies or anything, just something else to consider. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 09 2013 06:28 Umasi wrote: Just food for thought, but if this is before people truly looked into Firere as a lynch candidate and "merely someone scummy", why would Lonemeow as scum talk about him as his strongest scum read? I don't think it was an attempt to build town cred/bus/whatever the term is, because the wagon hadn't even really started. That said, it really was just slipped in there, and he didn't assert it at all, but it really throws off my read on him, which was "probably scum". Well scum have to interact with each other and that sometimes includes throwing suspicion around just to mess with you. Lone says he has a scum read on firere but doesnt vote him. If Lone actually put his vote on firere then we would be having a different conversation as voting is a stronger indication of what you are believing than just saying someone is scum. You also point out correctly that a bussing hadn't started yet on firere, so it would be safe for Lone to say he was suspicious of firere without any really worries that he would be lynched. He could then go back later and say "hey look I was right." He only voted Gotard way later when firere had a ton of votes on him. The town cred build up was for later, not immediate cash-in. Personally I'm still not sure on Lone but then being scum buddies makes sense with what i just written. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 09 2013 08:59 fferyllt wrote: I’m also a little concerned that he (and a couple others) showed no paranoia to speak of about me. I even posted an intentional clanger or two and got hardly a murmur from anyone. That lack raised my neck hairs a tad. Not sure why you are bringing this up. If people think you are town then why try to intentionally mess with that perception? It serves no town purpose whatsoever. We are in the scum hunting business so no need to hound on you if people believe you are town. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 09 2013 10:46 fferyllt wrote: Re the bandwagons, I would half expect the remaining scum to be spread out, not on the same bandwagon. This is what I'm most unsure of. On one hand most mafia votes are spread out, but I wonder in this case since one of their own was on the chopping block that they put all their effort into saving him. My gut is telling me that Lone was the last minute switch to try and save firere. We did have 2 non votes and it is possible that one of them could have been mafia (looking at Yavanna), but theres no point in speculating too much on that since we'll know more on D2. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 09 2013 11:01 fferyllt wrote: If Firere actually knows me well enough to call me ffery then the scum team likely had at least one competent and experienced player on board day 1. What you mean by this? Calling you ffery seems like a shorted version, but you see it as a tell? | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
1. I want to see the complete mason logs between skanjab1 and iVLosK! as a partial reveal just feels a bit suspicious. 2. (speculation) Skan was probably killed because scum feared that the more vocal townies were protected at night. Or Vlosk is uber pro scum and had me fooled (hope not). 3. We only had 1 night kill so there is less likely a chance of an sk. If a jailor was on someone last night I would say keep up the roleblock just to be safe. 4. No vigi kill can mean a few things... either we don't have a vig, the vig didn't want to shoot, or they are unable to shoot till night 2. 5. Yavanna needs to speak up a lot today and the fact she didn't vote is quite troubling (as is the fact she is still alive). 6. As for lone... I want to see more of his posts before I throw a vote on him. Also Lone... who are your scum reads atm. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 10 2013 05:49 Gotard wrote: But why would be do that as mafia? If you do things like that and person that you request to kill turns out to be town you are in really bad position next day. Hypothetically its an easy way to kill a townie. Say LoneMeow was shot last night and flipped town. There would be some back lash against the one who said to pull the trigger but the defense would be "he looked so scummy everyone was on him." Then the vig will probably reveal himself to confirm himself as town. You have a little chaos and some suspicion on you but u gain a decent amount. I dont think this was scum motivated though. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 10 2013 06:00 fferyllt wrote: There are a few other things that worry me a little about StimAddict. I touched on them in my wall. At this point I want to see him expand his scum hunting beyond Lone. Like you said he has been only tunnelling Lone which does explain his solo vote for him. The whole issue with TE and Yavanna is something I was concerned about as well, he just posted about it, so I'm not too worried about that. Now heres a thought with Stim being scum. Stim intentionally doesn't post for DAYS then at the end posts a decent analysis of LoneMeow, perhaps to get votes off of Firere. Then when it looks like firere is being lynched, it wouldnt matter if Stim moved his vote onto Gotard since Firere wins the tiebreaker. That scenario just doesnt make a whole lotta sense to me though. I feel if he were scum he would be pushing others at the time to try and vote Lone. Instead he only responded when Lone himself was posting. This quote if his i find quite interesting which was in the spoiler section of his post though I'm not exactly sure what to make of it. On June 08 2013 08:39 StiMaDDict wrote: My vote is not changing from LoneMeow until he is lynched or I die from mafia, but if Gotard flips town and Firere345 is scum, I'm fucking killing this cat! His action on a whole just doesn't feel scummy enough to me. Reads more like someone who dropped into the middle of the game, did a filter or two, found one that he can argue for, and drilled it into the ground. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 10 2013 06:26 iVLosK! wrote: That's a nice summary post you've got there. Sums up the thread with observations and calls for others to act, but doesn't say much. Did your scum coach teach you to do that?  Also, you're not getting the full mason logs. You're getting what I decide is appropriate to share with the general populace. Don't particularly care what you think is suspicious. Unless you think I bussed firere from the beginning your statement is quite silly. Oh and you care... you hide it under your tough exterior... but i know you care! | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 10 2013 08:36 fferyllt wrote: A bussing hadn't started yet on Firere? When do you think he was bussed? bad choice of words on my part, meant the piling on. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 10 2013 08:46 fferyllt wrote: SpicyDinosaur, could you give a short rundown of your current scumpile? Who's in it. Who's your top pick, Why? My D2 reads so far aren't as strong as my D1 ones were. As of right now there's noone I feel strongly about to put my vote on... yet. I do think there were at least 2 scum on Gotard last vote given one of their buddies was on the line. As for the candidates.... LoneMeow for reasons already stated, but also because I really really really hate when people write this... it feels so scummy and reminds me of Firere's excuses. On June 07 2013 16:25 LoneMeow wrote: Good morning, and sorry for being a bit inactive yesterday, had a rather exciting day IRL. Yavanna is also close to the top but for a different reasons that I'm not sure I can post. Umasi is troubling as well. He has no reads D2 except for commenting a little bit on Lone. I also brought up Umasi's interaction with firere in a previous post, but it basically came down to Umasi giving firere a pass while admitting he had 0 content. Going to do some more filter diving so hopefully something pops up. | ||
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