Newbie Mini Mafia XLII - Page 11

On June 16 2013 08:39 fferyllt wrote:
Interesting. Well, you convinced me yesterday.

And you think that Umasi would skip a kill? You think he would genuinely believe he could get you lynched?

Because even when I thought I might need to get you lynched if I'm wrong about Onegu, I wasn't sure I could do it in this environment. Some players just aren't easy to lynch.

On June 16 2013 14:01 fferyllt wrote:

thanks. was really disappointed with myself on day 3. my goal was to get onegu lynched and then jk iV again. I went back and forth on whether to trust iV and trust his reads when I did trust that he was town.

I am usually not alive on day 3. my game is turned to day 1 and 2. I fall apart on day 3 and sometimes pull myself back together if I am still in the game in day 4.

I thought I was way too obvious on night 1 telling SD that one of us would be around on day 2.

On June 16 2013 18:53 fferyllt wrote:
there was a really awkward section of game thread where skanjab and I both dropped blue tells. Mine was way more blatant than skanjab's, but when he flipped bue I instantly remembered the post and wondered how the hell scum had found that and not my own doofus posts. It started with Xzav indicating he had iVLosk as vanilla town. I said something about "remind me after the game ends" and Skanjab said something about "don't speculate about blue vs not".

If you look back, nearly every single time someone speculated about blues one of the 3 players with blue roles posted some version of stfu.

I actually didn't have iV down as a blue, because I thought if there was night action discussion in the QT he would have doctored the QT discussion copy/paste so as not to leave obvious gaps. Since he left gaps, I assumed it was speculation about blue roles or something. But, as it turns out, that correlation held for him, too.

My "remind me after the game ends" was followed by some wtf are you talking about posts, which at the time made me sick to my stomach. I shut down the convo quickly, commenting "I misinterpreted something, I think".

As a VT I will get all up in another player's grill for speculating out loud on roles, and would be perfectly happy to draw an NK that could keep the real PRs in the game another day. As a blue in this particular game, with no meta here indicating that as VT I might be decoying, I was pretty pissed at myself.

Note: Over time this sort of tell gets quite convoluted, with VT players sometimes being all closed mouthed, and with PRs yelling at people for speculation in order to look VT. In a "clean" environment where few players have any meta or knowledge about each other, the correlations are pretty straightforward.

Onegu you were so blatantly role fishing on day 4 that if I hadn't already had my vote on you I would have voted you for that alone. Since I thought you were scum, I didn't even try to get you to stop speculating. It was just more evidence added to the reasons to vote you. That's one thing to avoid when you have a scum role.

Hapahauli06-13-201309:35 PM ET (US)Whaaaaa. How did Xav get lynched. Dafuq?

On June 17 2013 00:09 Gotard wrote:

That was my strategy to get almost lynched.

On June 16 2013 18:41 ObviousOne wrote:

Don't be ambiguous about your scum reads unless the situation calls for it. "Waffle" back and forth especially in the thread looks like fake contribution unless its well done. Be explicit with your reasons. If you change your mind that's okay. Just state why.

On June 17 2013 01:06 fferyllt wrote:
hedging vs waffling.

Hedging is taking an ambiguous stance on a player. "X looks scummy because reason, but I'm not sure yet." Or asking questions. "Do you think X looks scummy because reason?" rather than taking a stand on your own.

Waffling is flip-flopping on a player, thinking they are scummy and then thinking they are town.

Town players do both of these things, but are usually more willing to take a stand and say "So and so is scummy looking because reason", even though they may change their mind later.

You did more hedging than waffling, especially asking leading questions.

In scumhunting I like to ask open-ended questions so that i give the player I am asking fewer clues about what sort of answer I will find townish.