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TLDR; - There is nothing in Palmar's play that shows that he has given shit about anything in this game. - His strange "i'll give reads about all the people" is really uncharacteristic for him, usually he pushes his strongest scumread and tries to convince other people to lynch that guy. - Why the fuck is he continuosly asking marv/Ace about their read on him? Normally Palmar declares himself as town and that's it. Everyone who disagrees is bad/scum. - "Pushes" Ace lynch with reasoning that points Ace being more likely town than scum (rofl). - Doesn't even try to figure out if Ace is scum/town when he is unsure of him. - Switches to Axle when there is a lot of people who are likely to vote for Axle over Ace. No reasoning, read Axle's filter in 3 minutes and suddenly Axle goes from looking good -> maybe scum. | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:12 prplhz wrote: how about the first point, i'm pretty sure i could point out more than nothing in palmar's filter that shows that he has given shit about anything this game. What has Palmar done other than sheeped marv? | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:16 prplhz wrote: well just to mention one thing (which disproves you "nothing" hypothesis), he voted for and pushed axle when him and marv were on ace and marv was pushing ace hard. I already pointed out it was pretty clear that time that me & you were more in favor of lynching Axle rather than Ace. Ace would have voted for Axle over himself (obviously). A good player like Palmar as scum would see there is pretty much no way of saving Axle at that point. | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Well I was gonna wait for Palmar to answer, but since you asked, | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:30 Palmar wrote: @rayn assume for a second I'm not the last scum. Let's just say I've had a shit game. Now tell me who is scum. I think prpl is town. WoS 60% - Oats 40%. | ||
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Can you give your thoughts on these questions: On April 10 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read WoS / Tunkeg filters again and i'm strating to have doubts on WoS.. Palmar do you think Tunkeg (and Axle) would push WoS they way they did if they were the scumteam? On April 10 2013 23:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why would Oats say me / prplhz are both town in his opinion if he was scum? I mean he is leaving no room for himself and you can't just count on iamp/Palmar/DP mislynchin THREE times in a row. | ||
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- Switches to Axle when there is a lot of people who are likely to vote for Axle over Ace. No reasoning, read Axle's filter in 3 minutes and suddenly Axle goes from looking good -> maybe scum. He can read and tab back and post? Um he doesnt need to be gone from the thread to read?. also it went from 17% to 32%, hardly a big jump. I agree with marv's argument about this actually, if Palmar is scum, he wouldve definitely tried to look like he wanted to lynch Axle at that point of time. Where does marv say this? | ||
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On April 11 2013 01:02 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont know at this point of time, can I get back to you tmr? I would find it easier/ ACTUALLY ABLE to find scum after all the US dudes post and shit I'm guessing you are referring to iamp/DP/WoS as US guys? Why do you need iamp's/DP's opinion? Or do you want them to tell who they think is mafia and pray it's not you and just agree with them? Why don't you want to figure out yourself who is mafia? The problem is prplhz is doing the same thing. We need to wait for WoS until later i guess. | ||
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On April 11 2013 01:02 prplhz wrote: either oats or you/palm can people start voting? Go make a case. You can vote, no need to wait for other dudes. | ||
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Reasoning: On April 11 2013 02:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Dude, more posts = more accurate read right? Its 1.02am, I have the ENTIRE day off, so Ima do it then. To be fair we are lynching into me/Oats/prplhz/WoS today. There is no way any of DP/iamp/Palmar is gonna get lynched and everybody knows it. Oats want's to have the US guys to talk before he decides who is mafia or gets a better read on anyone. How the fuck does it make any difference what DP/iamp say for Oats and his reads? He was not questioning prplhz/me when we were online for many hours at the same time. He said himself he did not know who is the last mafia, but he sure knows it's not iamp/DP. He called my Palmar case bad, so i guess he thinks Palmar is not scum. Why does he not want to question me/prplhz as we are 2/3 of the remaining possibilities? Contrary to this, look at how he behaved in Red mafia and the last night phase before sinani gave up. He was actively asking Hapa/marv (who he thought was scum with sinani) who did they want to lynch. He didn't care about anyone else when everyone was saying marv/Hapa are "confirmed" and me/prpl is another scum. No, instead he calls both me and prplhz town and goes after the guys he believed are scum. Here he is doing nothing, absolutely nothing to figure out if one of me/prplhz is scum. Instead he wants those "confirmed townies" to give their opinion. I think he wants to lean on those opinions which are wrong of them so he would have a backup (someone who thinks "the same"). ##Unvote: WoS ##Vote: Oatsmaster _____________________ But still: WoS: Explain to me what were you trying to accomplish with this question in D1: On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far? I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. What were you expecting town!Axle or scum!Axle to answer to this question? Or how asking this would help you form a better read on anyone? Why do you think Oats is town? What makes me/prplhz scummier than him? prplhz: Make a case on the scummiest of your suspects please. Why are you afraid of doing nothing before the "confirmed" people start giving their opinions? | ||
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I don't personally care how much/often do you post. You sleep/eat/take a shit when you have to. But when you are here i assume you do something productive, at least this late in the game and in this situation. If you can only post twice in the phase i don't care, but the posts are better to be good then. | ||
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On April 11 2013 03:32 DarthPunk wrote: What do you think of marv's meta read of oats. Marv was town and has been correct almost always. Have you read past oats games. Can you give your opinion on that meat read? Yes i read the games sciberbia was talking about before PC. My opinion: In Oats' scumgame (LIX) i think he was far more conservative with his opinions than in this game, i give marv that. In Red he was going wild on everything that was going on in thread at the moment. However, what i understood from LIX was that scumteam was under heavy pressure from the beginning. In this game (if Oats is scum) scumteam has not been under pressure during day phases (not counting D1 - and when Axle was pushed -> lynched Oats was not here). D3 Oats looks much more like his play from LIX than from Red, and D2 was bullshit anyways. | ||
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WoS last post where he declared "anyone who thinks i'm scum is silly / scum" seemed genuine and i'm not sure if Tunkeg / Axle had pushed his on D1 the way they did if he was scum with them. prplhz looks worse than before for not taking a clear stance on me/oats/palmar and for waiting for "confirmed" people to talk before saying anything for realz. | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I already pointed out it was pretty clear that time that me & you were more in favor of lynching Axle rather than Ace. Ace would have voted for Axle over himself (obviously). A good player like Palmar as scum would see there is pretty much no way of saving Axle at that point. | ||
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-Tunkeg's first case. Points out finger on me/Oats/WoS and votes for WoS. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=23#448 - At that time Palmar / marv argue which of scib/WoS to lynch. + Show Spoiler + Votecount: sciberbia (3): Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Palmar WaveofShadow (2): Tunkeg, marvellosity AxleGreaser (1): prplhz iamperfection (1): DarthPunk prplhz (1): iamperfection Not voting (4): AxleGreaser, sciberbia, Ace, WaveofShadow - marv / Tunkeg talk about WoS/scib connection. - iamp wants to lynch prpl, DP Oats - Oats drops in with a comment on Ace, asks marv about it - Oats questions marv's null read on Ace - DP votes for Oats - scib thinks WoS is town - DP says he does not want to lynch scib, and wants to give WoS more time, pushes Oats further - Axle votes for scib: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=28#552 - DP questions his vote. + Show Spoiler + Votecount: sciberbia (4): Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Palmar, AxleGreaser WaveofShadow (2): Tunkeg, marvellosity AxleGreaser (1): prplhz iamperfection (1): DarthPunk prplhz (1): iamperfection Not voting (3): sciberbia, Ace, WaveofShadow - DP pushes Oats more, goes to sleep. - iamp questions Oats "hey do you want to kill Axle?" - marv defends Oats "Oats isn't scum." - Oats answers iamp: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=29#573 - Tunkeg makes the big case on WoS: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=30#581 - Oats asks Tunkeg if he thinks scib is town, no comment on case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=30#586 - Next post Oats questions Axle (who does he want to lynch) - Palmar votes for WoS + Show Spoiler + Votecount: sciberbia (3): Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, AxleGreaser WaveofShadow (3): Tunkeg, marvellosity, Palmar AxleGreaser (1): prplhz Oatsmaster (1): DarthPunk prplhz (1): iamperfection Not voting (3): sciberbia, Ace, WaveofShadow - Oats says WoS noob town, lynch scib - prpl votes WoS: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=31#601 - Oats votes WoS: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=31#602 - I vote WoS: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=31#606 WoS L-1. - iamp/Axle apparently off - Oats questions WoS for who does he want to lynch - marv unvotes - Ace doesn't want to hammer, votes for Oats - Thread sentiment changes to scib/Ace - Both Axle and Tunkeg come back, Axle starts questioning WoS for his old posts, Tunkeg is mad because WoS was not lynched. | ||
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