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On April 10 2013 01:46 Ghor wrote:
The problem with your choice, CC, is that all of your case against LM is connection-based, whereas my arguments against RoL are about his lack of discussion, him being too sure about his reads and too quick to hammer. I barely see RoL being in doubt about people, instead he drops cases and pursues them without double-checking, at a stage where I don't manage to be sure about anyone. That looks to me like he doesn't really have doubts about people's alignment but just picks people to lynch and lays back waiting for town to hammer.
Even when he announced he had time to be more active I didn't see the discussion and information digging I'd expect from him.
So at the moment, we have these people wanting to lynch:
CC: Lazermonkey, Hopeless
Me: RoL and someone I don't know yet. I'm not sure about CC either.
Hopeless, RoL, LM. Please state your lynch choices.
I do this so much at lylo, haha.
But LM is scummy on his own. He pushed for the Syl mislynch and let you do most of the work (you, after all, posted that giant case while LM was like 'eeeeeeeeh we should lynch syl over hopeless guys...' Day 2, he voted RoL weakly. Then sheeped my vote on you. Then voted VE when his scumread RoL came back. He also made sure his vote was as far away from Risk as humanly possible and barely ever commented on him. I think he knew town was going to push the lynch through without his help.
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Yeah those are all fine arguments actually.
I also noticed something else that would probably support your association:
On April 02 2013 22:42 Lazermonkey wrote:Btw risk, your main argument against Hopeless at this point is that he entered the thread and was posting but didn't actually say anything of value, i.e. actively lurking. While I do agree this point, I feel that this was exactly how Sylencia entetered the thread. Yet you only mention Hopeless, why is that? I do know that Sylencia have since then been posting one big post but earlier you posted this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 11:07 risk.nuke wrote:
Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling.
You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting.
For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum. mentioning Hopeless but never Sylencia and that is well before Sylencias big post.
On April 03 2013 07:09 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. isn't this like exactly what Ghor did? or am I missing something? You don't seem to think that he is scummy. Your other point is quite good though,I must admit. But Syl looks far worse still.
On April 03 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:
EBWOP: And to clarify I don't actually agree with your first point!
Lazer always agreed with the points being scummy, but instead of drawing conclusions about hopeless he soft-defended him by pointing out other players who did the same stuff.
Except for the point that also applies to sylencia, I don't really understand the motivation here to post this stuff. LM agreed on points being scummy about both me and hopeless but actually didn't suspect me at the time.
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Then he called out CC and risk for not being on hopeless for good reason, but said me and VE had good reasons to be on hopeless. If he deemed these reasons to be "good", then why didn't he push hopeless with them?
VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm.
The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed.
So, Lazermonkey defended hopeless 1 vote away from his lynch. But he did actually defend him pretty hard, do you think he would defend a scumbuddy like that?
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I went through hopeless' town games LM linked and hopeless doesn't look like in this one actually.
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On April 05 2013 05:10 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 04:55 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 05 2013 04:44 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum? No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as On April 03 2013 03:17 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet.
I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later. On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? On April 04 2013 05:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.
I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today. Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch? lol... Where does it look like I stand? risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him. What?! I was doing the EXACT same thing as risk was doing ( except the other way around). I pushed Sylencia the whole day, defended you and STILL was willing to vote you. So, please explain how Risks actions only makes him scum... risk didn't push me. You pushed sylencia. Do you not see a difference in the way you and risk have played, because I see one.
Do you see scumbuddies posting this though?
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Then this:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 05:16 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 05:10 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 05 2013 04:55 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 05 2013 04:44 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum? No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as On April 03 2013 03:17 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet.
I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later. On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? On April 04 2013 05:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.
I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today. Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch? lol... Where does it look like I stand? risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him. What?! I was doing the EXACT same thing as risk was doing ( except the other way around). I pushed Sylencia the whole day, defended you and STILL was willing to vote you. So, please explain how Risks actions only makes him scum... risk didn't push me. You pushed sylencia. Do you not see a difference in the way you and risk have played, because I see one. Yes he did. Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 01:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Hopeless, my case on you is not meta based. Meta is generally only something I use to gather others to my case once it's been made.
My problem with you is I called you out for not caring about scum hunting quite early, and despite that you didn't give a shit about trying to up your game, while you weren't under any pressure. Nor have you claimed busy. You just straight out was lurking and never scumhunting or caring about the game.
Your only contributions were highly suspicious egging-on-from-the-shadows posts.
My impression on you which I've gotten from games I've played with you before is you're an intelligent individual. So why have an intelligent townie not given a shit about scumhunting or making cases.
Additionally later when you after ages bring up your theory. You come up with the WORST and MOST UNLIKELY possible theory for scumbuddies that only makes it seem like you're not reading the thread. Ghor have been sharper with his comments on me then anyone else in the thread. And additionally I am just about the most active player in the game.
The only possible explanations are you're scum or a townie who's not putting in any time in the game. But then why haven't you come clean and admitted you haven't given a shit about the game because that is the only other possible explanation I might had believed. But even with that your egging on posts doesn't make sense. This does indeed look like pushing to me. Don't know what you consider pushing though.
LM is actively talking back against hopeless' arguments and even going through risk's filter to bring up arguments in risk's favor.
I don't see scum doing that to each other and posting information in a townie's favor, and if they did, they should get a medal for the acting, still makes me think they can't have the same alignment (if one is scum).
I stick to the opinion. He was inactive to the point of getting warned multiple times and doesn't seem to really give a fuck about figuring out scum, only about lynching people with few reasoning and prior investigation.
Cheesecake, what do you think of RoL-CC scumteam?
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^ I stick to the opinion about RoL
##Vote RoL
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I'm town, I'd suggest removing that vote before both scum are online at the same time.
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I'd like to wait a bit before weighing in. I want to see what LM and Hopeless have to say.
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CC quotes regarding RoL
I also find it interesting that he gives RoL a townie read.
@lazer: you had a scumread on RoL and are now voting with him? trollololol?
HOPELESS
Do you not think Ghor is scum still? You said you were 'less convinced' but I don't recall anything recently regarding Ghor. You seem to arise the minute RoL comes in and vote him for doing a stupid VE vote.
Okay the problem here is that If RoL were scum Idk if he'd kill VE.
Except Lazer wasn't lynchbait, RoL was the lynchbait. RoL gave Lazer a strong-as-hell townie read which is just begging for #associations later if they are scumbuddies.
Scumslip? You speak of Rol being the townie, but say it begs for associations that HE gave Lazer a townread, and not the contrary.
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On April 09 2013 16:21 Lazermonkey wrote:Well, I'm not doctor at least.. Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 08:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If doctor claims then 2 of the 3 remaining people are scum. I like dem odds. 2 of the 4.
As a side note, I really feel funny about this post. It's like he didn't realize he could count himself out if he knew he was town.
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RoL you made a very early case against CC but then proceeded to lurk and ignore him, lately you counted him among your scumreads but at the same time brought up arguments as to why he isn't scum (thread dead when he's being discussed).
Where did your fancy CC read go, and why does your latest post suggest interest into LM?
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running out of witty remarks Count:
RebirthOfLegend ( 1): Ghor
Not Voting ( 4 ): everybody else
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch.
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I dont think RoL / CC scumteam is possible. because im town.
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Except Lazer wasn't lynchbait, RoL was the lynchbait. RoL gave Lazer a strong-as-hell townie read which is just begging for #associations later if they are scumbuddies.
Scumslip? You speak of Rol being the townie, but say it begs for associations that HE gave Lazer a townread, and not the contrary.
Nevermind this one actually, the sentence confused me a little.
RoL you bring up a pretty good point actually I'm being a little tunneled, should not be rash with my vote, even if you look bad.
##Unvote
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With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch.
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I suggest not voting for a while. We cant hammer scum without me.
At work so i cant post 
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Honestly I'm out of clues. Town played badly, all candidates look scummy, most didn't want to participate, and if CC is scum then he's more active than most of this town and deserves to win.
Curse risk for giving up and not discussing last day and Sylencia for coming back a few minutes after the lynch. This is frustrating.
Hopeless just doesn't do shit except throw in a few one-liners once in a while, and doesn't come in when things matter.
RoL what do you suggest for lynch?
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And to not sound too arrogant, my reads were shit and I have no idea what to do.
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##Vote hopeless1der
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The other scum is RoL.
Watc
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