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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 07 2013 20:56 GMT
#661
1) The fact that he voted me, said my interactions were suspect with lazer, but did nothing to pressure me. He let VE do all of the work. He basically sheepes VE and says "fuck yeah thats suspect, you're right VE lets lynch CC.... but did nothing to do so.

2) He expressednhis distaste for you rigt after my huge case. He knew it would be safe to call you out after i had.

3) ghor-RoL scumslip thing... lol. rly.

4) seems to neglect pressuring scumreads. instead pops on wagons.

couple other things but
i cant quote much or type on this phone well
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 07 2013 20:58 GMT
#662
I have a few responses to type up when i get home as well.

i want to flesh out my cases and respond to your questions / comments ghor
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 07 2013 22:35 GMT
#663
On April 07 2013 23:16 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 22:59 Ghor wrote:
RoL, can you mention the points for why you have CC and risk as scumreads please? I'm not lynching VE.

Ghor-Rol scumslip

RoL claim two scumreads
Ghor knew it was me and CC.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
April 07 2013 22:39 GMT
#664
Lol Host made a mistake before co host Count:



VisceraEyes ( 2 ): RebirthOfLeGenD, LazerMonkey
hopeless1der ( 0 ): risk.nuke
risk.nuke ( 1 ): hopeless1der, Ghor
RebirthOfLegend ( 2 ): LazerMonkey, VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der
Mr. Cheesecake ( 0 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Ghor ( 2 ): Mr. Cheesecake, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey

Not Voting ( 0 ):

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 07 2013 22:44 GMT
#665
On April 08 2013 07:35 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 23:16 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 07 2013 22:59 Ghor wrote:
RoL, can you mention the points for why you have CC and risk as scumreads please? I'm not lynching VE.

Ghor-Rol scumslip

RoL claim two scumreads
Ghor knew it was me and CC.


Hey risk, how about answering the questions. Fyi, I deduced that from RoL's filter in the course of two or three posts. Let's see if you can find them.
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 07 2013 22:46 GMT
#666
I'm not bothering with you anymore Ghor. You're not so retarded that you could actually be town, just lay down and die.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 07 2013 22:49 GMT
#667
I don't have time to play these games actually, here.
RoL asks Cheesecake opinions about both risk and VE. Surprise!
VE and Cheesecake are his scumreads, so what's risk going to be?

On April 07 2013 07:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind.


On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes

If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.

DO IT UP


On April 07 2013 16:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm sorry, but you are just voting me without any actual reasoning? I have reasoning, I have just not made it clear yet. Who would you lynch if it wasn't me? I never once cited that I wasn't up to date on the thread as a reason for not contributing. It took me a while to reread the whole game and filters but then I came in and posted just now. I used the dead thread as an observational tool in my analysis. Of my three scum reads atm Cheese is among them, however typically the only time a thread is dead is when the town is not pressuring or attacking a scum player. I have never seen a more dead thread and Cheese was 2 votes away from getting lynched.


Anyway rereading this shit I feel like lynching RoL as well. I just noticed he went scum->town-> scum on Cheese
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 07 2013 22:53 GMT
#668
Basic deductive skills, mr. scumslip. You're not lynching me anytime soon I fear.

You on the other hand have a lot to explain.
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 07 2013 23:08 GMT
#669
I knew from your first post about it I was dead right on the scumslip and your later posts have only confirmed it.

On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes

If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.

DO IT UP

In this post RoL's saying CC isn't scum. So why would you assume that he is a scumread. You wouldn't. RoL posted the three of us in the scumqt.
You're not so arrogant that you would assume you knew the scumreads.
Your defense that it was obvious from his posts doesn't hold up.
I would lynch you for this alone but coincidentally your last actions was to lead a bandwagon against a flipped townie.
Afterwards your reaction wasn't to look over people who sheeped you onto the case but your top scumread was the person who opposed it. Bullshitcase, bullshit train of thoughts.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 07 2013 23:13 GMT
#670
I solved the game. Can we hammer them so I can leave this wretched city?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 07 2013 23:26 GMT
#671
In the latest post RoL mentions CC as scumread, and it's not hard to guess that you are the third since he apparently asked a scumread of his out about another scumread of his. You were the only guy he didn't openly talk about.

I wrote the stuff several hours after RoL's last post, so I had way of knowing/assuming what his scumreads were.

You only quote his first post as evidence, where he says CC is not scum, but in the latest he says the opposite, so
1. He said that he has CC as scumread.
2. The funniest thing about this, you shouldn't even know if you're right. So you're basically doing something similar to what you're accusing me of:

You say I couldn't know if you are his scumread, but how are you supposed to know that you are REALLY his scumread? Instead you say it's a scumslip, cause you must know that you really are his scumslip?
Did RoL correct me?Did he confirm it?Why are you so sure then that it's really his scumread, but without showing where you got that from (cause if you knew it, you would know mine wasn't a scumslip)

Since I have a deductive base where I got that from (and you didn't properly read RoL's posts else you would know he said he currently has CC as scum), you just slipped truly, by your own definition.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 07 2013 23:27 GMT
#672
EBWOP:
Instead you say it's a scumslip, cause you must know that you really are his scumread?
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 07 2013 23:36 GMT
#673
Here, risk, I'll repeat it just for you:

Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind.


Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.


On April 07 2013 16:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm sorry, but you are just voting me without any actual reasoning? I have reasoning, I have just not made it clear yet. Who would you lynch if it wasn't me? I never once cited that I wasn't up to date on the thread as a reason for not contributing. It took me a while to reread the whole game and filters but then I came in and posted just now. I used the dead thread as an observational tool in my analysis. Of my three scum reads atm Cheese is among them, however typically the only time a thread is dead is when the town is not pressuring or attacking a scum player. I have never seen a more dead thread and Cheese was 2 votes away from getting lynched.


Of the three people he mentioned in quote 1, 2 were scumreads, so what will the third be?

And yes, I am so arrogant to assume I know his last scumread.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
April 07 2013 23:45 GMT
#674
On April 08 2013 07:49 Ghor wrote:
I don't have time to play these games actually, here.
RoL asks Cheesecake opinions about both risk and VE. Surprise!
VE and Cheesecake are his scumreads, so what's risk going to be?

Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 07:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind.


Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes

If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.

DO IT UP


Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 16:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm sorry, but you are just voting me without any actual reasoning? I have reasoning, I have just not made it clear yet. Who would you lynch if it wasn't me? I never once cited that I wasn't up to date on the thread as a reason for not contributing. It took me a while to reread the whole game and filters but then I came in and posted just now. I used the dead thread as an observational tool in my analysis. Of my three scum reads atm Cheese is among them, however typically the only time a thread is dead is when the town is not pressuring or attacking a scum player. I have never seen a more dead thread and Cheese was 2 votes away from getting lynched.


Anyway rereading this shit I feel like lynching RoL as well. I just noticed he went scum->town-> scum on Cheese

I never once said I thought CC was town. I specified that among my three scum reads, the inactivity during the day while cheese was on the table would seem to indicate that of my 3 scum reads he could be wrong. Even though I still find his behavior suspect.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 07 2013 23:48 GMT
#675
On April 08 2013 08:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 07:49 Ghor wrote:
I don't have time to play these games actually, here.
RoL asks Cheesecake opinions about both risk and VE. Surprise!
VE and Cheesecake are his scumreads, so what's risk going to be?

On April 07 2013 07:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind.


On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes

If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.

DO IT UP


On April 07 2013 16:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm sorry, but you are just voting me without any actual reasoning? I have reasoning, I have just not made it clear yet. Who would you lynch if it wasn't me? I never once cited that I wasn't up to date on the thread as a reason for not contributing. It took me a while to reread the whole game and filters but then I came in and posted just now. I used the dead thread as an observational tool in my analysis. Of my three scum reads atm Cheese is among them, however typically the only time a thread is dead is when the town is not pressuring or attacking a scum player. I have never seen a more dead thread and Cheese was 2 votes away from getting lynched.


Anyway rereading this shit I feel like lynching RoL as well. I just noticed he went scum->town-> scum on Cheese

I never once said I thought CC was town. I specified that among my three scum reads, the inactivity during the day while cheese was on the table would seem to indicate that of my 3 scum reads he could be wrong. Even though I still find his behavior suspect.




If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it


On April 07 2013 22:59 Ghor wrote:
RoL, can you mention the points for why you have CC and risk as scumreads please? I'm not lynching VE.

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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
April 07 2013 23:48 GMT
#676
Risk's latest posting only served to solidify his place on my scum list. I would be open to killing him instead of VE, But I am curious to how you feel about that VE?
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 07 2013 23:49 GMT
#677
Missed, that he said CC was amongst his scumreads. Doesn't change anything about me or the previous reasons you're scum. Lay down and die. RoL will follow right behind you I can promise you that.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 07 2013 23:54 GMT
#678
Risk, if you were town you'd have simply been better off answering my questions instead of playing angry kid.
You're not going to get me lynched, and I want to know if you're really scum, so just answer the damn questions asked two days ago.
You've started acting really emotionally and irrational since I've made that case on you, and that doesn't look good for the rest of the thread I can assure that.

I have noted:
You said you found CC suspicious, but you unvoted him quickly after your pressure vote and lost interest. You pushed hopeless since D1, but dropped that entirely to attack me once I declared I wanted to lynch you, and contributed in letting the thread die by ignoring my discussion.Plus, all the reasons listed here.
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 07 2013 23:54 GMT
#679
On April 08 2013 08:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Risk's latest posting only served to solidify his place on my scum list. I would be open to killing him instead of VE, But I am curious to how you feel about that VE?

Nice try but townies wouldn't care what their top scumread thinks. Unless you're trying to get more information out of him to determine his alignment, but that shouldn't be necessary since he's your top scumread and you know he's scum right. So why did you direct that question to your top scumread over other people. Because he have townie influence. Hello scumagenda.


With scum like these, who needs townies. Good thing because I don't seem to have any.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
April 07 2013 23:55 GMT
#680
To clarify I don't have him on my list of townies, He would be null/scum. There are many times in my history of mafia where I have looked at a thread's activity and thought "we are probably doing this wrong" and there are many times where I said "We are just so right the mafia is just content with the bus"

I was right on the first part every time, and everytime I assumed the second part I was wrong. Even in a game with only two scum it's easy for me to rationalize why the thread could be inactive while we are on the right track, but like I said, any rationalization of why I should ignore thread activity as an indicator has always proven wrong in the end.

So while I believed CC to be scum leading up to the thread completely dying I am less confident now the thread has died.

As for Risk.nuke, the recent posting is aggressive/bullying and not even close to productive. There was no scum slip, I inferred he was my scumread and you picked up on it. It's not too hard. I was initially planning on slow playing my scum reads assuming I could get responses but the thread was so dead I decided to attempt to drum up activity through causing chaos.

Mission pseudo-success?

Note the activity difference since we started considering VE and Risk.nuke as scum candidates compared to the entire two days preceding it? It's noticeably more active. Not to say that is a finalizing indicator that we are going the right way, but it definitely doesn't make me think we are going the wrong way in the same way that the CC lynch made me feel.
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