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On April 05 2013 12:51 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 12:40 yamato77 wrote:
Gonzaw, what do you make of MZ basically trolling the thread and saying very little about anything? I wouldn't call what he did trolling. I agree with some stuff he's saying, for instance Artanis does seem to be flying under the radar. Either he's making sense as town and being playful in his own way....or I'll need more time to figure him out as scum. Both of those make me give little attention to him, in the mafia-seeking ways
I dont get how Artanis has floated under the radar.
The guy made an effort to at least three times bring his RNG idea back to the fore.
Not only that, but when someone criticises the idea due to "accountability" he takes it on the chin, and appears to go back to the drawing board.
That doesnt make the guy town; but make the heuristic for him being scum - void.
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Mocsta can you please say something Mocsta-ish so I'll know that you're town please?
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On April 05 2013 12:59 geript wrote:
Mocsta can you please say something Mocsta-ish so I'll know that you're town please?
WTF does this even mean?
What have i done that is not town Mocsta-ish?
This is really surprising to me. I thought I have made a good effort to consolidate my posts, and be meaningul?
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I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully.
As for your posting, I really like it.
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Since when has "heuristic" become such a buzzword around here? Whenever you use that word y'all just sound like you're trying cover up the fact that you don't actually have a point.
Regardless I'm going to bed.
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On April 05 2013 13:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Since when has "heuristic" become such a buzzword around here? Whenever you use that word y'all just sound like you're trying cover up the fact that you don't actually have a point.
Regardless I'm going to bed.
Whatever.
Why do you choose to comment on my choice of word; and not my dispute of whether Artanis is indeed flying under the radar.
You threw in early to the thread, that you despise SPAM. Yet I can classify the post I am replying to as nothing other than SPAM.
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On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully.
As for your posting, I really like it.
Well I may not exhibit it, whatever it is.
Im trying to not get involved in live debates this game; and react on the fly without proof reading.
I havent been 100% successful so far, but trying hard none-the-less.
Since you are online, can you please comment on Rayn.
So far, it seems only Gonzaw has shared insight; and we are of differing opinion.
Where do you stand?
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Okay duders, raid night is over. Going for a quick re-read of the past half day after I post this since I've been tabbing out to catch what I could during down time.
First impressions:
I saw that Oats is/was under some suspicion (just going from memory, don't recall if it was talked out or not) but Oats is Oats; he's a bit all over the place but I don't see the same intent to shut things down that someone mentioned earlier. He was just as loud and all-over in RED. Null still.
RO seems to want to be more helpful than I remember him being as scum in LX, not feeling what you guys that are suspicious of him are feeling there, either.
Got my eye on Rayn at the moment. His style was spammy but usually constructive (at least in telling us what he was thinking) and I've got none of that after the first couple pages of his filter. Ten one-liners in a row or something, doesn't match up to his standard attacking pattern from RED. The attacks there were thought-out, here they mostly look like casual accusations perhaps fishing for reactions? The only points he has going for him is that he's absolutely confused about what is going on regarding the draft process:
On April 05 2013 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Should we have our roles by now?
Rayn, if you are serious about RO being scum then lay if out for me in one clean concise post, and if you are not, who are you most suspicious of right now? Or are you just drunk again?
Other stuff:
Most of the chat was about planning how to set up the top spots to get roles protected, is that still a thing? I'm spot 2 somehow, and I was thinking about taking America because America, fuck yeah! Is that going to make me a Pariah or something? Girls just wanna have fun, you know? I'll use it as a second lynch like was suggested yesterday or I can just sit on it if you guys are paranoid about it.
Going back for that re-read and making some coffee. See you in a bit when I'm finished with that.
PS: Seriously guys, the spam, cut it out, I decided to avoid large games because of the sheer volume of posts so please be less liberal with one-liners, thank you!
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I think he's feeling overloaded or something similar. There's a point when everyone moved towards focusing on him more than focusing on what he was trying to espouse that he seems to have snapped for lack of a better term and switched into some very different mode. His play looks different from NMM39 when he was scum but I'm not sure how much that's worth. He doesn't feel like he's got a filter on him so I'm leaning bad town on him.
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On April 04 2013 21:17 yamato77 wrote:
If we do have town reads we trust, and they are picking late in the order, it might be a good idea to use them to check for these roles. Mr. Yam, just wanted to remind you of this. I agreed pre-draft. BUT...
Now that we are post-draft; I am not sure how useful this is anymore.
Lets say you try and confirm CPR; & we know its in play because you are VT.
What then? Its not like you can force a roleclaim
If scum is CPR they will deny it. If town is CPR they may deny it. Heck, someone might fake claim it.
Perhaps its best to just attempt for an "unpopular' role that you think you can play to its strengths?
The # of roles >>> the # of players.
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On April 05 2013 13:29 geript wrote:
I think he's feeling overloaded or something similar. There's a point when everyone moved towards focusing on him more than focusing on what he was trying to espouse that he seems to have snapped for lack of a better term and switched into some very different mode. His play looks different from NMM39 when he was scum but I'm not sure how much that's worth. He doesn't feel like he's got a filter on him so I'm leaning bad town on him.
So in short:
Regarding Rayn - whilst you acknowledge poor play currently; you do not see scum validity in him going 180 on his plan?
Is that correct?
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On April 05 2013 13:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 21:17 yamato77 wrote:
If we do have town reads we trust, and they are picking late in the order, it might be a good idea to use them to check for these roles. Mr. Yam, just wanted to remind you of this. I agreed pre-draft. BUT... Now that we are post-draft; I am not sure how useful this is anymore. Lets say you try and confirm CPR; & we know its in play because you are VT. What then? Its not like you can force a roleclaim If scum is CPR they will deny it. If town is CPR they may deny it. Heck, someone might fake claim it. Perhaps its best to just attempt for an "unpopular' role that you think you can play to its strengths? The # of roles >>> the # of players.
Half the point is trying, but yeah, you're right.
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On April 04 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's say you try to pick CPRdoctor as #3. You get vanilla. You claim you tried to pick CPRdoctor and that you didn't get it when D1 starts. Scum have a member in #1 or #2. You just gave out the town CPRdoc. Scum can even random a kill on #1 or #2 and if the CPRdoc flips town, you have no way of knowing if the other guy is mafia, if the #3 picker is mafia. What's next? Do you kill those guys too? Just to be sure they are not lying?
If not, why did you gave out scum role information in the first place? On April 04 2013 21:52 Mocsta wrote:
Or perhaps we just figured out the scum CPRdoctor.
I think as said before, some ppl may be going for "superstar' roles and become Vanilla.
i see value in those disclaiming that the role exists in the game.
It is then up to town to decide how much credence they want to give to the claim. On April 04 2013 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you think so? CPRdoctor is not a bad role if used right. It's a fucking multi shot night vigi!
@Rayn
Can we please continue this discussion.
This exchange just doesnt sit right with me. + it looks like you are setting yourself up for a CPR request.
If I am reading this correctly, you believe a CPR role is not a bad *TOWN* role if 'used right'.
i.e. it didn't cross your mind, that it would be beneficial to scum; nor a high priority scum pick
How so?
The CPR doctor kills anyone you protect, that isnt attacked that night. As town, this is one of the most WIFOM inducing roles. i.e. Lets protect "XYZ" the town leader, because he surely will be shot.... and if scum doesnt shoot him, you just killed the town leader.
So yes, I would like you to extrapolate on why you think CPR is a beneficial role to town; as opposed to a role worth ensuring scum can not use.
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Here are the groupings by power that I have:
Important roles for Town to get. These should likely be tried to be drafted by the top 5-10 guys IMO:
CPR Doctor
Hooker
Vote Rigger
Inventor
Roleswapper
Thief
Janitor
This pod can be very useful to town or to prevent scum from getting. I'd take a serious look at these roles in the 5-15 draft range:
Rock star
Jailkeeper
Hero
Vigilante
Assassin
Russia
Admiral Ackbar
Bad Santa
Politician
Emperor
Prince of Darkness
Bloody Cobbler
Showtime
There are the roles that I would consider for 10-24. Lots of random stuff in here:
Witch
Veteran
Role cop
Bulletproof
Methman
NRA member
Day Vigilante
America
Floridian
JOAT
CopyCat
Priest
Framer
Role Breaker
Moderator
Everything else I would only really consider at the bottom of the draft order if you feel it's important to grab a role instead of information.
At the end of the draft order I think that it's more important to actually try and draft from the top of the order to see if specific roles have been taken or not.
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I choose [8][1] btw.
You suck everyone who choose 8 
I was gonna choose 5
Rayn is being really really fucking weird.
less than 10 players have more than a 2 page filter.
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I have a specific role in mind for myself, that made me join this game.
I'll give it a shot and see if I get it.
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Sup fellas, I'm back.
@geript:
Only 1 investigative role and no protection roles in your lists?
That seems like a recipe for disaster.
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eh, I don't value investigation roles very highly. If people want to go for them, I'm not going to prevent it. I think that there are just better options available. As for protection roles, the only one I really like is jailkeeper. If you want to post a better list I would love to see it. As a matter of fact I think it would be good for other people to chime in on general draft strategy as it would give some of the slackers a better idea of what to go for.
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On April 05 2013 13:55 Keirathi wrote:
Sup fellas, I'm back.
@geript:
Only 1 investigative role and no protection roles in your lists?
That seems like a recipe for disaster.
yeah, cant say im a fan of that list.
Im surprised america has been relegated to a POD C list.
and awesome town roles like the witch seem to have low emphasis and also is in POD C.
Hooker is dangerous with lots of investigative roles though.
I wonder: If you use KP on someone that is infected.. do you still get infected? If so, thats a pretty dangerous role too (even if cancelled by medic protection)
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I still like the idea of parity cop.. even though someone shat on it earlier (cant remember who).
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