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On April 12 2013 02:39 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 02:34 yamato77 wrote:
Not to sound too impulsive, but if you want to shoot, make it between him and BM. One of them is almost certainly mafia, I feel, if not both. What the actual fuck? How can BM be scum if he picked JV? Which you also supposedly picked, but got VT? If he flips scum, you 100% die tomorrow for lying.
How the fuck do I know what he picked?
I do have a theory that would implicate one or the other, but that would require them both cooperating with the role-claim plan that's not happening.
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Austin, talk to me
What makes you doubt your Mocsta read?
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On April 11 2013 15:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I am not dead?
Shevlocke that was a dickish thing to do.
Ok so here's the story, I have really no motivation to defend myself atm for rather obvious reasons. In the mason group we had discussed austin a fair bit and I just wanted to get him out of the way and have a productive day not spent with the three of us having to herd the cats in this thread in order to get the lynch. Obviously this didn't work out. I'm fine dying to prove my alignment, I'd rather not but I understand that to certain people who can't see through multiple layers of this game I'm still somehow a good lynch and I don't feel like spending a lot of time changing their minds.
I will spend the following section on my defense: austin would have been an excellent shot had the check not proved us wrong. He tried very hard for artanis not to get lynched, in fact he was one of the only people who actually made a decent argument against it, he acknowledged VE but instead latched onto my posts about shevlocke and pushed them hard. with the flips, austin looked incredibly bad, and rather than try and fix his reads during the night phase he instead chose to mostly lurk. So I wanted to quickly render him irrelevant at the start of the day so we could have a more productive lynch. That obviously failed. To address the people who want me dead; you have no case on me, you've never had a case on me, and you never will have a case on me. A mistake doesn't make me scum and your attempts to kill me for a very transparent mistake which I've explained just display your own ignorance of the game as a whole. I will remind you all that I was the first person to call out artanis and I never backed away from that read when the heat started to pick up on him. Similarly, I was evolving on my position on VE without any scum motivation to do so; i.e. I did so before it became obvious VE was scum.
That's all I'm gonna say in my own defense. Moving forward I'm going to continue to without addressing this issue anymore. If people want me dead that's fine, this post is all I have for a defense and it would be pointless for me to spam about it. From here I really need to do some revaluation, I was only looking as far forward as artanis/shevlocke/austin/decon but since 2 are dead, 1 is dying, and the fourth I'm pretty sure is town, I have to spend some time to figure out the remaining 2-3 (probably 2) scum. I will not promise to never use the America role again, however if I do use it again, it will be after much more consideration and consultation with the thread.
That's all, it's late, I'm somewhat surprised to be alive, I will resume scum hunting tomorrow.
Is this really what we're going to take as valid explanation for a clearly anti-town action today?
I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but if people are going to FAWN over lynching null reads, why aren't we lynching into M_Z? No one but the two people he's masoned with can come up with a decent reason for him being town, and we aren't even getting the logs that apparently make him unassailable.
What the fuck else has he done? Who is he lynching? Questions without answers, folks. Right now, this is his largest contribution to the thread, and NONE of it is scum hunting. Will he do something today? I highly doubt it.
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On April 12 2013 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 03:32 yamato77 wrote:On April 11 2013 15:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I am not dead?
Shevlocke that was a dickish thing to do.
Ok so here's the story, I have really no motivation to defend myself atm for rather obvious reasons. In the mason group we had discussed austin a fair bit and I just wanted to get him out of the way and have a productive day not spent with the three of us having to herd the cats in this thread in order to get the lynch. Obviously this didn't work out. I'm fine dying to prove my alignment, I'd rather not but I understand that to certain people who can't see through multiple layers of this game I'm still somehow a good lynch and I don't feel like spending a lot of time changing their minds.
I will spend the following section on my defense: austin would have been an excellent shot had the check not proved us wrong. He tried very hard for artanis not to get lynched, in fact he was one of the only people who actually made a decent argument against it, he acknowledged VE but instead latched onto my posts about shevlocke and pushed them hard. with the flips, austin looked incredibly bad, and rather than try and fix his reads during the night phase he instead chose to mostly lurk. So I wanted to quickly render him irrelevant at the start of the day so we could have a more productive lynch. That obviously failed. To address the people who want me dead; you have no case on me, you've never had a case on me, and you never will have a case on me. A mistake doesn't make me scum and your attempts to kill me for a very transparent mistake which I've explained just display your own ignorance of the game as a whole. I will remind you all that I was the first person to call out artanis and I never backed away from that read when the heat started to pick up on him. Similarly, I was evolving on my position on VE without any scum motivation to do so; i.e. I did so before it became obvious VE was scum.
That's all I'm gonna say in my own defense. Moving forward I'm going to continue to without addressing this issue anymore. If people want me dead that's fine, this post is all I have for a defense and it would be pointless for me to spam about it. From here I really need to do some revaluation, I was only looking as far forward as artanis/shevlocke/austin/decon but since 2 are dead, 1 is dying, and the fourth I'm pretty sure is town, I have to spend some time to figure out the remaining 2-3 (probably 2) scum. I will not promise to never use the America role again, however if I do use it again, it will be after much more consideration and consultation with the thread.
That's all, it's late, I'm somewhat surprised to be alive, I will resume scum hunting tomorrow. Is this really what we're going to take as valid explanation for a clearly anti-town action today? I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but if people are going to FAWN over lynching null reads, why aren't we lynching into M_Z? No one but the two people he's masoned with can come up with a decent reason for him being town, and we aren't even getting the logs that apparently make him unassailable. What the fuck else has he done? Who is he lynching? Questions without answers, folks. Right now, this is his largest contribution to the thread, and NONE of it is scum hunting. Will he do something today? I highly doubt it. IRL kinda takes priority you know, all the fake shots really take it out of a person.
That's a pathetic excuse.
He's had ample time to "scumhunt" if he actually was invested in town.
Why don't you give us these logs that make you and RO so convinced that he's not mafia?
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On April 12 2013 03:41 Keirathi wrote:No.
YES
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On April 12 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote:
If meapak were mafia he could have nuked D1 and didn't.
If meapak DOES have a silent nuke, it would have KILLED SOMEONE. Therefore, IF he had a silent nuke and used it, he killed either artanis or VE (the only people to die at the end of the day). They both flipped mafia. So IF there's a scary ol' silent nuke, it means he used it to kill mafia...
I don't terribly have a problem with someone thinking I was scum at the start of D2. I don't love my play up until that point, and could see nuking me if I were someone else. I don't find his play super anti-town in terms of nuke use except that he didn't check the thread a final time before posting what he'd been writing up.
What's he done today?
Seriously, the dude is LAZY MAFIA.
I've been saying it all game, and he's done absolutely fucking nothing.
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OO I have my vote on.
Most of Sharrant comes across as very "clean" and thought out, but I'm not going to call him scum for that, because it doesn't seem like a strong heuristic. He could very well be town, but the fact that he defended Artanis AND VE is not a good thing.
On April 10 2013 23:40 Sharrant wrote:
Good morning, everyone.
I'm glad to see I was wrong about Artanis and VisceraEyes.
I'll be writing up a longer post in a minute but I wanted to ask two questions first:
If the role reverser were used on a justice vigi when they shot a mafia member, what would be the end result? Would both/either player live through the shot?
If the role reverser used his power on the janitor when the janitor did not use his power, would it activate or would the role reverser fizzle out because no action was taken by the janitor?
Do people actually say that kind of shit when they're wrong? It seems unnaturally complacent with this "pro-town" ideal he has going on in ihis filter.
On April 12 2013 00:18 Sharrant wrote:
I'm not particularly happy with any other lynch right now. I'd like to lynch StrongAndBig as things currently stand. Even his lynch has too many "what ifs" in my mind, but that's the lynch I'm most confident in, unless someone has proof that BM is not JusticeVigi.
I agree with the plan to claim from the bottom up, I'm just waiting until we get up to me. I'll do my best to check in on the thread throughout the day, because I don't want to slow the claims down. It seems to likely to me that scum don't have BC, but there's still the possibility that they do.
My votes will be on StrongAndBig, and my second vote will be on Austin. If someone has an anti-nuke to save him, I'll likely move my vote.
This is the only other thing that makes me want to lynch him.
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On April 12 2013 03:51 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 03:45 yamato77 wrote:On April 12 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote:
If meapak were mafia he could have nuked D1 and didn't.
If meapak DOES have a silent nuke, it would have KILLED SOMEONE. Therefore, IF he had a silent nuke and used it, he killed either artanis or VE (the only people to die at the end of the day). They both flipped mafia. So IF there's a scary ol' silent nuke, it means he used it to kill mafia...
I don't terribly have a problem with someone thinking I was scum at the start of D2. I don't love my play up until that point, and could see nuking me if I were someone else. I don't find his play super anti-town in terms of nuke use except that he didn't check the thread a final time before posting what he'd been writing up. What's he done today? Seriously, the dude is LAZY MAFIA. I've been saying it all game, and he's done absolutely fucking nothing. Here's the thing. Maybe he's lazy mafia. If he's mafia, he voluntarily just didn't shoot D1. That seems like a poor choice. That's something that I would flag as saying, "Hey...hold up. This guy looks like he might be mafia, but he used his role in an odd manner for someone who is mafia." I would second guess my read on him. Then I would go, "Wait a minute, snb claimed a cop check on MZ." If snb is lying, he's taking a risk that there are no other whatever-cops above him on the chart. A small risk, but a risk. And maybe MZ is a gf, that's a possibility. But again, it's SOME/SLIGHT/DECENT evidence that MZ might not be mafia. Then, there are a couple other players with LESS in their favor, imo. What has sharrant or shelvocke done that makes them less likely mafia than MZ? OO? Mocsta? geript? There are a boatload of players who have done very little today, almost ALL of us have done very little of consequence. You are tunneled in on these little weird things and need to expand your view. You want or wanted to kill BM, despite claiming that you picked justice vigi and didn't get it. He seems like the only person who fits the bill, and that means that, if he's town, he's shooting at mafia, and if he's mafia, he's shooting at mafia or dying. If he's actually justice vigi, that is ACTUALLY the worst possible lynch you could come up with. So...quit being tunneled in. It hasn't served you particularly well in some recent games, and right now it's not doing you any good.
I may appear tunneled, but in reality I'm just trying to work through some of the doubts I have about this game:
Mocsta and his shot
BM and his refusal to claim
Oats' entire play
M_Z and the mason circle
Sharrant
Shelvocke
Sinani and the check (GF?)
OO
Vivax
SnB
EVERY FLIP FROM NIGHT 1
RO
People I'm CONFIDENT that are town:
Geript
Sn0
Austin
Keirathi
You can see the discrepancy.
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On April 12 2013 03:58 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 03:51 austinmcc wrote:On April 12 2013 03:45 yamato77 wrote:On April 12 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote:
If meapak were mafia he could have nuked D1 and didn't.
If meapak DOES have a silent nuke, it would have KILLED SOMEONE. Therefore, IF he had a silent nuke and used it, he killed either artanis or VE (the only people to die at the end of the day). They both flipped mafia. So IF there's a scary ol' silent nuke, it means he used it to kill mafia...
I don't terribly have a problem with someone thinking I was scum at the start of D2. I don't love my play up until that point, and could see nuking me if I were someone else. I don't find his play super anti-town in terms of nuke use except that he didn't check the thread a final time before posting what he'd been writing up. What's he done today? Seriously, the dude is LAZY MAFIA. I've been saying it all game, and he's done absolutely fucking nothing. Here's the thing. Maybe he's lazy mafia. If he's mafia, he voluntarily just didn't shoot D1. That seems like a poor choice. That's something that I would flag as saying, "Hey...hold up. This guy looks like he might be mafia, but he used his role in an odd manner for someone who is mafia." I would second guess my read on him. Then I would go, "Wait a minute, snb claimed a cop check on MZ." If snb is lying, he's taking a risk that there are no other whatever-cops above him on the chart. A small risk, but a risk. And maybe MZ is a gf, that's a possibility. But again, it's SOME/SLIGHT/DECENT evidence that MZ might not be mafia. Then, there are a couple other players with LESS in their favor, imo. What has sharrant or shelvocke done that makes them less likely mafia than MZ? OO? Mocsta? geript? There are a boatload of players who have done very little today, almost ALL of us have done very little of consequence. You are tunneled in on these little weird things and need to expand your view. You want or wanted to kill BM, despite claiming that you picked justice vigi and didn't get it. He seems like the only person who fits the bill, and that means that, if he's town, he's shooting at mafia, and if he's mafia, he's shooting at mafia or dying. If he's actually justice vigi, that is ACTUALLY the worst possible lynch you could come up with. So...quit being tunneled in. It hasn't served you particularly well in some recent games, and right now it's not doing you any good. I may appear tunneled, but in reality I'm just trying to work through some of the doubts I have about this game: Mocsta and his shot BM and his refusal to claim Oats' entire play M_Z and the mason circle Sharrant Shelvocke Sinani and the check (GF?) OO Vivax SnB EVERY FLIP FROM NIGHT 1 RO People I'm CONFIDENT that are town: Geript Sn0 Austin Keirathi You can see the discrepancy.
Now if I was to take things at face value ( like you guys suggest), then the only people I want to lynch into dwindles:
Shelvocke
Sharrant
OO
If 2/3 or 3/3 of the remaining mafia are among them, then yeah, you guys are obviously on the right track here, but you don't really need me to accomplish hunting them, do you? It's already done; I know they have a chance at being mafia, so I'm trying to pursue opinions on other people to get a more clear picture of the game that isn't "tunneled".
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Out of anyone, you can reasonably assume that Palmar was shot, if BM is telling the truth.
ALTERNATIVELY, IF BM IS MAFIA
Caller could be town.
That's why he and Mocsta need to claim.
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On April 12 2013 04:18 yamato77 wrote:
Out of anyone, you can reasonably assume that Palmar was shot, if BM is telling the truth.
ALTERNATIVELY, IF BM IS MAFIA
Caller could be town.
That's why he and Mocsta need to claim.
EBWOP:
Palmar was shot by mafia as the factional KP
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On April 12 2013 04:19 Sn0_Man wrote:
Sharrant's claim lends weight to SnB's claim although it is also another "safe" claim in that he knows he can claim VT with it. However, claiming his character name is indicative of cooperation (though hosts sometimes provide fake character names to scum so...).
Doesn't really clear Sharrant but makes me more town-read on SnB.
(PS: I just realized that I make 3 people left to claim. Whatever. I know my role, as does austin, and I'd have claimed any KP I was responsible for)
As a corollary, you have to claim before Austin dies.
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Has anyone considered this possibility?
If BM is telling the truth, and is JV who shot mafia Caller, and Deconduo was actually mafia Janitor, there's only 1/5 mafia left.
Seems possible, no?
Thus, if we lynch mafia and don't win the game, and there's no anti-town third party, one of Mocsta/BM is probably mafia.
That's how I reached that conclusion.
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On April 12 2013 04:21 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 04:18 yamato77 wrote:On April 12 2013 04:18 yamato77 wrote:
Out of anyone, you can reasonably assume that Palmar was shot, if BM is telling the truth.
ALTERNATIVELY, IF BM IS MAFIA
Caller could be town.
That's why he and Mocsta need to claim. EBWOP: Palmar was shot by mafia as the factional KP Okay, what happened to rayn? you think he was hider or something (with a pretty high pick  )?
Could be ANYTHING, to be honest. There are too many roles that could cause death that we'll never know about.
Maybe he was JV?
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On April 12 2013 04:27 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 04:23 yamato77 wrote:
Has anyone considered this possibility?
If BM is telling the truth, and is JV who shot mafia Caller, and Deconduo was actually mafia Janitor, there's only 1/5 mafia left.
Seems possible, no?
Thus, if we lynch mafia and don't win the game, and there's no anti-town third party, one of Mocsta/BM is probably mafia.
That's how I reached that conclusion. Town mocsta could totally have shot town decon, but I do see your logic.
Why would town deconduo, knowing he was about to die, use janitor?
Makes more sense from a mafia perspective.
But yeah, Mafia Mcosta shooting town decon makes even less sense, unless they had a rolecop on him and accurately predicted he would use his power.
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The plan from here is simple:
Check/Shoot/Lynch BM
Check/Shoot/Lynch Mocsta
GG
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Sno, invent me a gun so I can kill the last mafia tomorrow.
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On April 12 2013 12:37 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 12:31 yamato77 wrote:
The plan from here is simple:
Check/Shoot/Lynch BM
Check/Shoot/Lynch Mocsta
GG You tried to grab justice vig right? Why BM then?
JV could have been one of Rayn or Palmar.
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