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Patience is a Virtue Wait, Bitch. etc. | ||
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It seems like the only reason you think I'm scum is that I'm better at reading him than you. What gives? | ||
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And no, those posts are not equally capable of coming from scum prplhz. If you managed to even look at his fucking filters from scum games with any sort of rational thought, you'd see EXACTLY how I've been able to accurately read his alignment. Mafia prplhz FEELS different from town prplhz, and to qualify that, he FEELS trollish and completely self-interested. Did prplhz seem overly interested in how people read him at that point? No. Most of his posts were actually talking about other people, as opposed to defending himself. Mafia prplhz is easy to figure out. Mafia prplhz doesn't post unless town figures out that he's mafia. Mafia prplhz doesn't even fucking try to have reads. Mafia prplhz has a stupid policy lynch idea every game. You (and Hapa) both failed to realize this difference. You were utterly stuck in this "PRPLHZ IS SCUM BECAUSE HE'S LIKE, NOT TOWNIE!!!111!" which has been used to justify prplhz mislynches MANY times in the past when he's not town. Looking at how mafia prplhz was caught in LIX by a smurfing Marv, it's by comparison to relevant mafia games, not by contrasting his play against his town games. Really, this seems like a bullshit reason to be calling me mafia. There are many players that I can tell are town or not very quickly in this game, simply because I have played with them before as both alignments and know their mentality. Prplhz is one. Hapa is another. It's not difficult to discern these players because either their town play or their scum play is VERY DISTINCT, and it's very easy to identify early on. What concerns me about you is how little original thought you've put into this. It seems you're just riding off the trails of Hapa's accusations and arguments against me for quite a while now. What else besides this completely fucking wrong prplhz point makes me mafia? If you're going to call me your "top scumread" I want to hear it. I also want to talk about Corazon, because he's really the lynchpin in why I don't believe that either of you are town, and why I want to challenge that notion. What has he really done this game? He's called me mafia most of this game, but how reliable is that? What reasons does he give? Almost none. A lot of his comments on me being mafia are, as I said before, snarky and pointless pokes at me while I'm engaged in conversation with someone else. Plus, when I look at his filter, he never really TRIES to get me lynched. His only vote on me comes during a time when I was arguing with Hapa about prplhz, and it was quickly detracted. It's almost as if he's afraid to openly challenge me about my alignment, which is not something that I am used to seeing Cora do. Town Cora is usually quite UNafraid to proclaim someone scum and try to get them lynched, but what did Cora actually do today? He sheep voted on Nisani in one line. He didn't even try to argue that I was mafia, he just "consolidated" on the day's mislynch, and then defended you. Now, the defending part is alignment NULL because you two would do this either way, masons or mafia, but the sheep vote is not. Town Cora does not just blindly sheep a wagon when he's been "tunneling" a player the whole day like he had with me. However, mafia Cora is good at accurately identifying thread sentiment and getting himself on town's wagon, as evidenced by his first ever game on this forum, which was newbie 33 I believe. To me, this tunnel feels like a weak imitation of Cora's usual town play. It doesn't contain the FORCE or AGGRESSION that a normal Cora tunnel contains. It's passive-aggressive, which is something I associate more with scum play than town play. I feel like he's just following the general thread sentiment given by Hapa that I am mafia and going with it, rather than that he actually believes I am mafia. | ||
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On March 28 2013 16:03 Keirathi wrote: You are wildly blowing my read of prplhz out of proportion. Maybe that's because you drew me into an argument so I started replying to specific things instead of general things, but prplhz in its simplest form is: town prplhz cares about town, scum prplhz doesn't. I've PLAYED scum with prplhz. I even went back and looked through our irc logs. He told me multiple times that he wasn't even reading the thread, and all of his cases/pushes were just made up. (Also your "policy lynch" thing is bullshit. Scum prplhz didn't propose a policy lynch in GSL 1. But again, meta isn't about specifics. Its about broad playstyle similarities/difference.) It should be "scum prplhz only cares about himself" because that's how he plays. Look, you can argue with me about whether or not those posts made him look like town or not, but the fact of the matter is, I know how to read prplhz I fucking read all of his posts and TOLD YOU GUYS WHAT HIS READS WERE. And then, I showed you that MAFIA PRPLHZ DOESN'T EVEN HAVE READS. And you fucking ignored me. | ||
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What else makes me scum, because this is played out. | ||
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On March 28 2013 16:11 Keirathi wrote: That is just patently false. And you wonder why I question your 100% townread on prplhz. :o No, it's not. Show me in either of GSL or LIX where mafia prplhz gives a read that isn't Chezinu, or OMGUS. And then show me how that read is at all similar to how he began this game. | ||
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We don't have to have a "conversation" for you to post things about me that aren't questioning my methods of reading people. | ||
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Whatever, I'm going to bed too. This thread is hopeless. | ||
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Good stuff. | ||
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1) Blow away the completely valid meta analysis of how you've played this game versus your town games 2) Overrate how much effort you put into finding the lynch 3) "WELL YOU'RE JUST AS BAD AS ME!!!!!" 4) Post a bunch of snarky comments and call them "scumhunting" I am blown away. These are my notes so I know how to do it next time I roll scum. | ||
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On March 28 2013 16:26 Keirathi wrote: It is important. You can't say "SCUM PRPLHZ NEVER HAS ANY READS" because it demonstrably not true. Maybe scum prplhz didn't have reads in GSL or LIX, but "NEVER" and GSL+LIX are two completely different things. I'VE NEVER SEEN Which is the relevant part of this argument in the first place. | ||
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We'll see how this develops tomorrow. I'll be pursuing a different line of thought at that point. You two are going to be hard scum to lynch, if I'm right. | ||
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You truly haven't even tried to get me lynched, but you've been calling me scum the whole game for terrible reasons Yet again, I'm not interested in pursuing this further. It won't go anywhere right now until the rest of town figures out that your mason claim is bullshit. | ||
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On March 28 2013 16:39 cDgCorazon wrote: "You've been calling me scum, yet haven't pursued me. But I just want to call you scum and then not pursue you anymore" What? That's a gross oversimplification of this situation. The fact that between the two of you, you have one solid scum read (me), and that your strongest claim to being town is being masoned with each other is just ridiculous. However, what I do know is that town realizing this takes time, and during that point in time, there are other things worth pursuing. | ||
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On March 28 2013 16:40 Keirathi wrote: Why was Smurf 100% absolutely positively sure that prplhz was town last night, before all the rest of what prplhz posted after the one I quoted? BECAUSE I LOVE BEING RIGHT basically | ||
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Nah, just better than you. ;] | ||
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1. If Smurf is Yamato, he has played at least 2 games with a town DI (British 1 and Personality 2) and thus cannot simply claim ignorance of how DI plays as town. Even if he can be forgiven the remarkable oversight of not looking at DI's townplay, his excuse of ignorance here is a lie. This is bullshit, and quite obviously evidence that you're not reading my filter. I specifically mentioned that I have not played with Dandel from the very beginning of the game, and that my experience with town Dandel is not that he's an idiot. If you looked into either of those games, you would realize that he was a replacement in both, and a troll in neither. Given this, how do you think that I'm lying? 2. His scumreads: All 3 of his scumreads throughout the game:Grackaroni, Cora and Nisani. I painted Cora green, because I doubt this is a power play by the scumteam to claim mason. This is bullshit. By this metric, I could easily call Hapa or Palmar mafia, but I don't because it's fucking stupid. You're not this bad. So... the MOST concerting part of the prplhz case is how easily Nisani jumps on the wagon. So suddenly Nisani has been bombarded to scum, as part of the whole prplhz = town crusade. From that point onwards he never even questions anything else and just blindly wants to lynch Nisani. Yes, it was concerning. I openly questioned Hapa's motives with the prplhz thing, because I don't see how one who had done his research could see prplhz as mafia. But I give Hapa slack, because he's been wrong before. However, I won't give Nisani slack, even now as confirmed town, for mindlessly sheeping on the wagon without a second thought. That SEEMS to be what you're accusing me of, even though it wasn't, yet you can't seem to understand why I found it scummy from Nisani? Bullshit. Irrational defense of prlhz. I would quote posts, but it shat up the thread for about 3 pages. I don't even think this says anything about prplhz's alignment. I can see a scum doing this for a townie (defend the innocent for townie points, when no scumbuddy is in danger of being lynched) or a scumbuddy (given that the alternative at the time was my push on Nisani, which he promptly sheeped he could have been defending his buddy), but the whole thing feels like Smurf had made up his mind before even starting to post on what prplhz's alignment was and was going to defend that stance to the death. And while some of the points he made make sense, when I looked at prplhz's filter at the time, it just read like a scum filter, so it's the complete lack of DOUBT about the alignment that strikes me. That is not the critical mindset of a townie. Total bullshit. "It just read like a scum filter"? What kind of "critical mindset" is that? You don't even bother to address the meta point that you say "make sense", you just blow them off as nothing, when in reality, THAT WAS THE WHOLE ARGUMENT. Yes, it shat up the thread. No, it gave me ZERO town cred, and how would it anyway? Most of town was null or against prplhz at that point, so who is giving me town cred for it besides prplhz, and how much is that town cred even worth? Really, this is pathetic. What's even more pathetic is that these are the arguments that people have against me, and that they're all based upon ridiculous assumptions like the ones you've made here. But really, I want to talk about you, Acro, because this case is just a little too perfectly timed. What about the Nisani flip makes you any more ready to call me mafia than before? Why didn't you bring this up before the lynch, when it was all still relevant? Or are you just using the pathetically stupid and lazy idea that my being on Nisani's wagon is evidence of me being mafia? Because if that's the case, THERE ARE TWELVE OTHER PEOPLE who voted him with me, you included, and most of them after me. One such person is Marv, but I'll get to him when I'm done with you. | ||
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