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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 07:10 GMT
#1968
Anyways, I'm going to sleep.

Oats, tell me why Acro isn't scum before I get back.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 07:15 GMT
#1970
On March 30 2013 16:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 16:10 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, I'm going to sleep.

Oats, tell me why Acro isn't scum before I get back.



I am absolutely firmly null on him.

He has made sense, but I know that he can play that way as scum too.
Nothing really stood out about him to me.

Ill read his filter and tell you what I think in a while.

Particularly comment on my case plx.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 15:48 GMT
#2029
Hrmmm.

Unlynchable claim :o

Bahhhhh, so convenient. Acro explain your role now. Go.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 16:03 GMT
#2032
Anyways I want to talk about this a bit more:

On March 30 2013 20:06 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 19:57 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm still around because I'm stupid and drank all of the coffee. It didn't make me smarter though so talk me through it when you get around to it.


Just read what Kei wrote for a start. The thing to think about is when is someone "doomed". A mafia's objective changes markedly at this point, and goes into wifom-mode, rather than push-a-mislynch-mode.

I can't remember Kei's reasons for thinking sinani and Acro couldn't be mafia together even though I only read them 20 minutes ago, but I do remember thinking that they weren't good reasons. lol.


Obviously I am aware of that, since it is part of my case against Acro, even if it is just speculation. And part of why I don't think Acro and sinani are scum together.

Go back and look through the night. There really was very little discussion about sinani. You mentioned him once "sinani looks worse by default" or something like that. OO posed those questions that kind of had a "sinani is scum" assumption behind them. But there really wasn't much actual talk about sinani. Almost all of the night phase revolved around you/Smurf/Me+cora/OO.

So, at that point, I DO think Smurf was doomed. But I do NOT think sinani was doomed in any way. Therefore, since I think Acro is scum, I don't think there was any reason for scum Acro to bus two teammates so hard.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 16:14 GMT
#2035
On March 31 2013 01:03 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways I want to talk about this a bit more:

Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 20:06 marvellosity wrote:
On March 30 2013 19:57 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm still around because I'm stupid and drank all of the coffee. It didn't make me smarter though so talk me through it when you get around to it.


Just read what Kei wrote for a start. The thing to think about is when is someone "doomed". A mafia's objective changes markedly at this point, and goes into wifom-mode, rather than push-a-mislynch-mode.

I can't remember Kei's reasons for thinking sinani and Acro couldn't be mafia together even though I only read them 20 minutes ago, but I do remember thinking that they weren't good reasons. lol.


Obviously I am aware of that, since it is part of my case against Acro, even if it is just speculation. And part of why I don't think Acro and sinani are scum together.

Go back and look through the night. There really was very little discussion about sinani. You mentioned him once "sinani looks worse by default" or something like that. OO posed those questions that kind of had a "sinani is scum" assumption behind them. But there really wasn't much actual talk about sinani. Almost all of the night phase revolved around you/Smurf/Me+cora/OO.

So, at that point, I DO think Smurf was doomed. But I do NOT think sinani was doomed in any way. Therefore, since I think Acro is scum, I don't think there was any reason for scum Acro to bus two teammates so hard.

EBWOP: I should also say that I don't think that it is impossible for Acro and sinani are scum together. I just don't find it very likely at all, especially if Smurf is mafia. And I'm kind of taking it for granted that Smurf is mafia since he gave up.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 16:49 GMT
#2040
On March 31 2013 01:48 strongandbig wrote:
I don't like the idea of "using the double lynch to test acrofales's unlynchable claim." A double lynch on day 2 is a huge bonus IMO, especially with so many serious and engaged townies still alive.

To acro: if you are town, you should absolutely explain the mechanics of your unlynchable role. Allowing us to waste a lynch on verifying it if we don't have to is nearly as bad as if you got mislynched yourself.
To me, the motivation to explain yourself is so strong the if you continue to refuse, I'm going to have to assume you are lying and scum.


If you dont want to test the unlynchable claim, who do you want to lynch?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 16:59 GMT
#2044
Yes yes, we already have a majority on Smurf.

Who would you lynch beside him if we don't lynch Smurf+Acro.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 18:30 GMT
#2052
@marv:

On March 31 2013 01:03 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways I want to talk about this a bit more:

Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 20:06 marvellosity wrote:
On March 30 2013 19:57 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm still around because I'm stupid and drank all of the coffee. It didn't make me smarter though so talk me through it when you get around to it.


Just read what Kei wrote for a start. The thing to think about is when is someone "doomed". A mafia's objective changes markedly at this point, and goes into wifom-mode, rather than push-a-mislynch-mode.

I can't remember Kei's reasons for thinking sinani and Acro couldn't be mafia together even though I only read them 20 minutes ago, but I do remember thinking that they weren't good reasons. lol.


Obviously I am aware of that, since it is part of my case against Acro, even if it is just speculation. And part of why I don't think Acro and sinani are scum together.

Go back and look through the night. There really was very little discussion about sinani. You mentioned him once "sinani looks worse by default" or something like that. OO posed those questions that kind of had a "sinani is scum" assumption behind them. But there really wasn't much actual talk about sinani. Almost all of the night phase revolved around you/Smurf/Me+cora/OO.

So, at that point, I DO think Smurf was doomed. But I do NOT think sinani was doomed in any way. Therefore, since I think Acro is scum, I don't think there was any reason for scum Acro to bus two teammates so hard.

**SNIPPED OUT OF MY FOLLOWUP POST***

EBWOP: I should also say that I don't think that it is impossible for Acro and sinani are scum together. I just don't find it very likely at all, especially if Smurf is mafia. And I'm kind of taking it for granted that Smurf is mafia since he gave up.


Agree or disagree?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 18:55 GMT
#2061
On March 31 2013 03:55 marvellosity wrote:
Perma masons AND a mason circle?

Fuck me.

It says that there is a mason circle in the OP.

Not reading?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 18:58 GMT
#2063
On March 31 2013 03:57 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2013 03:55 Keirathi wrote:
On March 31 2013 03:55 marvellosity wrote:
Perma masons AND a mason circle?

Fuck me.

It says that there is a mason circle in the OP.

Not reading?


Yes, I thought that would be you and Corazon, and someone would be randomly given access to your QT but told not to post. Specifically Grack in fact was my thoughts, given his role description.

We weren't given a QT. Kurumi just told us to communicate however we wanted to.

I actually made our QT, and the only people with the link are me and Cora.

Sorry, I thought everyone realized we weren't the mason circle, or I would have explained in more detail.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 19:05 GMT
#2066
On March 31 2013 04:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2013 04:00 marvellosity wrote:
Okay, that makes sense. I really wish I had time to think about all these masons and roleclaims and Acro but I'm going out to dinner in 15 minutes. I will probably sheep Hapa in whatever decision he makes, vote-wise (unless it's me, naturally).


I'm not sure yet.

I want to hear from Acro about this "you can't lynch me" stuff before I committ.

rayn said he claimed vote rigger.

Unlynchable townie vote rigger? That seems hard to believe.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 19:06 GMT
#2067
EBWOP:

Unless by unlynchable he means he will just rig the votes so he doesn't get lynched. In which case, I would rather force him to use it today than lynch someone else today, and he still has the power to use it later.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 19:13 GMT
#2072
On March 31 2013 04:09 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2013 04:05 Keirathi wrote:
On March 31 2013 04:04 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 31 2013 04:00 marvellosity wrote:
Okay, that makes sense. I really wish I had time to think about all these masons and roleclaims and Acro but I'm going out to dinner in 15 minutes. I will probably sheep Hapa in whatever decision he makes, vote-wise (unless it's me, naturally).


I'm not sure yet.

I want to hear from Acro about this "you can't lynch me" stuff before I committ.

rayn said he claimed vote rigger.

Unlynchable townie vote rigger? That seems hard to believe.


Well I have no idea what a vote-rigger does. Like hypothetically you could switch all the votes and get someone else lynched. Is that likely? Idunno. Most vote-riggers I've seen are much more limited in scope (can only switch one person's votes).

Eh. Well may as well vote him unless I get a reasonable explanation.

##Unvote

##Vote InsertSmurfHere
##Vote Acrofeles

From everyone PYP game ever:

You are a vote rigger! You have two oneshot powers. The first is you can, once only, force a double lynch at any time during the voting (the two leading candidates at the end of the day are lynched). The second is that you may rig the votes as you see fit. Surprise! You may only use one power per day.


Palmar already had the first power. It wouldn't totally shock me for someone to have the second power.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 19:43 GMT
#2076
Here's my thoughts:

If Acro's power is vote rigger like I quoted a few posts ago, I think it is in our best interests to force him to use it today when there's still a second lynch that we control, rather than put it off until he can solely control the lynch. (If he can control both lynches then that is OP as fuck and i will rage).

So anyways, we force him to use the power today to save himself. See who he lynches in his stead, and then judge if we should lynch him again tomorrow.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 20:17 GMT
#2080
Theoretically he could.

But why would he? If he's scum, why not lynch a townie instead?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 20:57 GMT
#2084
La di da di daaaa.

So quiet
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 21:25 GMT
#2087
On March 31 2013 06:21 strongandbig wrote:
i dont think that will work
but i will do it anyway, i guess it cant hurt

This.

At least the way I understand traditional vote rigger to work, it just changes the outcome, not the actual votes.

But yea, I guess it doesn't hurt, just in case.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 22:02 GMT
#2094
Dumb.

If anyone has KP, kill one of Acro or Smurf tonight. We lynch the other tomorrow.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 22:10 GMT
#2097
So, assuming no blocked shots, and no town KP onto scum, and that there are 4 scum members and their KP is #mafia/2 rounded up:

Tomorrow is LYLO.

OP role is OP.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 30 2013 22:14 GMT
#2099
On March 31 2013 07:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2013 07:10 strongandbig wrote:
On March 31 2013 07:01 Hapahauli wrote:
rofl

what a retardedly imba role


yeah its a pretty dumb role specifically in this game, it completely annuls the double lynch that palmar had

like we didn't even get anything in the thread saying that it was acro that used it.

at least now we know marv is town lol


We do?

Seems extraordinarily likely:

On March 30 2013 12:17 ObviousOne wrote:
Keirathi, trust me on Marv town.
This is not a joke, this is for serious.
If I could tell you exactly why, I would, but my role does not permit it.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
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