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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:21 GMT
#351
On March 17 2013 14:20 TestSubject893 wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:19 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:18 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
It has nothing to do with my role and everything to do with finding and destroying the scum.


So you wouldn't mind if people apply without the bold ## command then?


We're in a normal game, it's not like the ## command does anything


I speculate the opposite.


I speculate that you're bad and should feel bad

I got your speculation right here

##join SAST


##unvote thepeashooter
##vote testsubject893
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:22 GMT
#354
On March 17 2013 14:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.


Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game

To be fair, I lynched scum D1 last game. You helped, and your support was appreciated.

Ok yes technically it was you, but I would have done the same if town elected me.
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:23 GMT
#356
On March 17 2013 14:22 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.


Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game


Gee I'm sorry that I easily won because only 2 people in the town knew how to try.


It's not easy being one of the 2
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:24 GMT
#357
man testsubject ok let me play it straight for you

oatsmaster fucked up my night check and I still got 2 scum lynched (ok like 1.5 whatever) and when I died town had it in the bag. You lucked into victory

lucked
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:25 GMT
#359
Also testsubject for a guy who's read the thread and can only say "geript and zare are candidates" you sure talk a lot of smack
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:26 GMT
#361
On March 17 2013 14:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
I was the other and I disagree. It was easy as fuck. But then, I died N1 so...

Anyway BH I'm intrigued by your ideas and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Tell me more about TestScum so that I may be a believer.


Well i'm not gonna bother him about his "internet outage" but his entry post into the game mostly revolves around my interaction with TPS. I think a town player would be more like "hey guys I think geript and zare are scum AND HERE'S WHY AND HERE'S A VOTE", and probably make that like the majority of their post rather than quibbling on whether my prior assumption of coag's alignment is pro-town atmosphere or anti town atmosphere.

And the stuff speculating about roles is just garbage.
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:27 GMT
#363
On March 17 2013 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh don't be like that BH Test did exactly what he had to do to win. Bitter. I am disappoint.


I'm just mad at oats really
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:29 GMT
#364
On March 17 2013 14:26 TestSubject893 wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:23 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:22 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.


Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game


Gee I'm sorry that I easily won because only 2 people in the town knew how to try.


It's not easy being one of the 2


My point is that if you don't punish bad town, town still loses because eventually all the good town are dead. You still lost that game. You didn't lose any less just because you were the most talented player on the losing team.

If you're going to vote me just for thinking that bad town causes town to lose, your vote won't me moving any time soon.


So far you've talked about a number of topics, including whether attacking co-ag creates the right kind of "atmosphere", last game, VE's hilarious attempts to organize town, and finally a tiny little sentence about your scumreads.

No votes, no cases, not even a rehashing of what convinced you or an attempt to convince others! Nothing. You are far more interested in arguing about whether I'm creating a good atmosphere than actually creating one by pressuring scum or helping your wagon.

You dont' want to lynch geript and zare.

you just want to say you want to lynch them.

scum.
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:35 GMT
#368
I mean, I _assume_ a "lynch preference" is the same as a scumread, unless of course he is scum and would prefer to lynch town
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:42 GMT
#377
Testsubject is basically just making half-assed attacks on the D1 lynchbait kk
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:45 GMT
#382
Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote:
Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler +
(like latest Batman movie disappointing )
.

But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.:

A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat.

Jhuyt:
Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him.

Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.:


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On August 15 2012 20:18 Jhuyt wrote:
Hmm, you're right, I should try to be more helpful.

On Solar: This is just how he is in general from what I've seen on TL, so I don't have anything there.

On Shady: Shady tries to control the game, which is an act that I don't often see in normal townies, I've most often encountered it when a scum tries to make everybody think he's the sheriff. It is, however, a game of high risk and relies heavily on the actual sheriff being useless. He might be the sheriff as well, and this is why I think the first day is kinda silly, I don't know what to think solely based on his posts, they seem consistent.

I still think that YourHarry is something scummy simply because his posting behavior is strange, on everybody else, I need more evidence before making up my mind.


Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore:

##Vote: Jyuht

Consider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him.


Golbat:
I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII.

##FoS: Golbat


YourHarry:
I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either.



is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:46 GMT
#383
Like look he LITERALLY calls golbat scummy for the same reason he votes Jyuht. That's not GK setting up a voteswap, that's just how the man thinks.
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:48 GMT
#386
On March 17 2013 14:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wait wait that doesn't look the same at all. He gives a shitty summary of their play in this game and in that post he goes into detail explaining why he thinks the way he does.


Ok yes in NMMXXIV he is more legit. He talks a bit about the play of the people, he's less shitty. But the idea that GK is bad because he's not evenly applying his criteria for scumminess, or that he's scum for having an easy swap is not correct.
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:49 GMT
#387
I will note one deviation from meta, though, and that is that town GK typically is asking questions of people and prodding a lot in thread, and this one is not. Still, though, his slow-movingness indicates town GK to me and not the quick-drawing scum GK from LVII
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:53 GMT
#391
:|

I don't like to think I'm wrong about this kind of thing. GK are you here
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:56 GMT
#394
Ok here's what I'm going to do

i still think GK isn't scum and testsubject IS scum. I know it's privileging the hypothesis but all the evidence around testsubject points to him being scum, and GK seems off but not entirely off. I don't want to be wrong, but if i'm wrong I want to be voting the right guy

So I'm going to go fluff my komodo dragon's feathers for a bit and think on this. Even though GK's statements all seem scummy his TONE sounds like town GK, and yes I know that's not going to convince anyone but it has me convinced right now. I'll figure out what his deal is and why this is town GK and i'll show you all who's right and who's wrong

testsubject be a man and post some serious case rather than flailing around like you are now if you ever want me not to lynch you today
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:57 GMT
#396
tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:58 GMT
#397
On March 17 2013 14:57 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote:
Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote:
Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler +
(like latest Batman movie disappointing )
.

But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.:

A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat.

Jhuyt:
Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him.

Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.:


Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:18 Jhuyt wrote:
Hmm, you're right, I should try to be more helpful.

On Solar: This is just how he is in general from what I've seen on TL, so I don't have anything there.

On Shady: Shady tries to control the game, which is an act that I don't often see in normal townies, I've most often encountered it when a scum tries to make everybody think he's the sheriff. It is, however, a game of high risk and relies heavily on the actual sheriff being useless. He might be the sheriff as well, and this is why I think the first day is kinda silly, I don't know what to think solely based on his posts, they seem consistent.

I still think that YourHarry is something scummy simply because his posting behavior is strange, on everybody else, I need more evidence before making up my mind.


Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore:

##Vote: Jyuht

Consider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him.


Golbat:
I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII.

##FoS: Golbat


YourHarry:
I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either.



is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK


They are the same structurally, because that's simply how he posts and thinks. That will usually not change between being town and scum. However, a difference I can note is how much more specific he is here, and how he cites specific examples, and tries to convince others that this is the correct choice. In his current cases and thread presnse, I do not get that feeling from him. I get the "Look at my vote and contribution!" feeling


:| GK this would be a great time to rise to your own defense or something
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 05:58 GMT
#398
cause I got nothin

really
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 06:02 GMT
#404
On March 17 2013 14:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:53 GreYMisT wrote:
TestSubject really hasn't said much of anything (hypocritical from me right?). The main thing that stands out to me about him is that a significant exchange between him and Wade Fell took place regarding punishing bad town play. TestSubject supports this argument with his main entrance post, calling for pressure against Coag. However, He doesnt attempt to pressure him at all, and really fails to significantly mention him.

I can see where he is coming from with his read on zare, but overally Test doesnt seem like the best lynch candidate to me at the moment.


I got this too. Aside from participating in a little dick waggling with BH I haven't seen much scummy from him either.

What do you think about Sandroba? He thinks you're mightily suspicious apparently.


it's a large dick waggling, unless we're talking about testsubject, in which case yes it is a little dick waggling

the fact that testsubject has to be coerced into helping and has this issue with "town atmosphere" and Ve's role speculation still dominates my read of him. Look at it this way: testsubject, although he is not the sharpest chicken in the barrel, is capable of at least attempting on his own to write a case or push a read. Why isn't he doing that except when we prod him in the ass? at least an initial prodding might be forgiven if he actually did any work.

Where is he ever doing anything other than slinging mud around, trying to appear helpful, etc

like just the fact that we had to yell him into producing "supported" scumreads (as opposed to lynch preferences) AND have to wring a GK read out of him by hand is preposterous coming from a guy talking about town atmosphere
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