I don't care what you're inclined to call me, I care that you get inclined to vote thepeashooter. Read his filter and my case-- you haven't said anything about him yet.

Wade Fell

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March 17 2013 00:21 GMT

#291

On March 17 2013 09:14 Wade Fell wrote:

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please geript you're burying me in a mountain of helpfulness

plz you are too helpful

plz stop

oh no wait that's the opposite

So do you have any thoughts on my case or are you just pulling a geript

Wade Fell

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March 17 2013 00:22 GMT

#292

On March 17 2013 09:21 Kenpachi wrote:
Is he a smurf?

TPS is almost certainly a smurf.

Wade Fell

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March 17 2013 00:22 GMT

#293

On March 17 2013 09:22 Wade Fell wrote:

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TPS is almost certainly a smurf.

More reason, btw, why his so-called "case" on coag is bad. He should definitely know better.

Wade Fell

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March 17 2013 00:27 GMT

#295

On March 17 2013 09:24 Kenpachi wrote:

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exactly what i was thinking but its a case of WIFOM here and i honestly cant tell.

There is a possibility he's a smurf of a younger player who hasn't heard of coag, or he literally made his account just before this game started, just to sign up for the last spot. I consider both of these possibilities somewhat unlikely. And, even considering the apparent vacuousness of his vote on coag, he hasn't taken a stance on GK or Geript or really anyone or anything, ignoring all other discussion in town to tunnel his target. This is an easy way for scum to avoid meaningful interaction with town and giving out reads. We don't know anything about his thought-process, so of course it seems WIFOM-ey-- but his play absolutely prevents us from clearing the wine from in front of us.

I'm not saying he's a bad scum player-- this is a clever ruse. But he is scum. Town would have an opinion on GK, ESPECIALLY town pushing another lynch. Can this guy really be considered to be "pushing" coag given that he hasn't tried to stop the GK lynch at all?

He's putting forth a simulacrum of what a townie does. Clever, but not enough.

Wade Fell

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March 17 2013 00:56 GMT

#300

On March 17 2013 09:35 Kenpachi wrote:
ok your bandwagon is pretty legit. I'd call for a lynch on Peashooter or goodkarma and a vig shot the next night.
No questions that is done.

I think I see what you're getting at, but all ribbing and geript aside, I won't be drawing associative tells between unflipped players.

Wade Fell

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March 17 2013 02:06 GMT

#307

On March 17 2013 11:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

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The thing about this analysis, is that he hasn't done anything at all since he called out Coag. I think it's disingenuous to say he's tunneling Coag when he made a post calling him out, I asked him if he was familiar with his meta, and he freaked out within a short time frame. I agree that I wouldn't say he's pushing Coag, but we don't know if he's just apathetic to pushing it, or he agrees with other cases since he's gone inactive.

So I don't really have warm fuzzy feelings about the guy, but I think your case is somewhat misrepresentative, just because he hasn't posted and it's basing things as though he's actually been around to exhibit that behaviour.

He stopped posting 2 hours before the first vote on GK went down, but it's been like 18 hours since then. Where is he? He still hasn't weighed in on Geript either, and Geript was under pressure while he was posting in thread.

If he comes back, says he's been gone for 18 hours like grooming a chicken or whatever and he has serious thoughts to give, then I may rethink things. But as it stands, simply straight-up lurking and not posting is NOT a defense for his actions.

Wade Fell

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March 17 2013 02:07 GMT

#309

Will your thoughts on him be the same if he's gone for another 6 hours, wiggles? What if he's gone for the rest of the day?

Wade Fell

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March 17 2013 02:07 GMT

#310

I too am highly interested in how he will respond to my case and wat's taken place in town since his "departure"

but he is almost certainly a smurf, since the account was created yesterday.

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 17 2013 02:21 GMT

#313

If the idea is "be good" then SAST is fine and everyone should take part. I really don't care though, catching scum more important imo

trancestorm is literally wrong and bad. D1 is worthless-- wat? Maybe 2 years ago the last time he played mafia and everyone was bad or something

at least he's not pretending to be useful

Wade Fell

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March 17 2013 02:27 GMT

#315

DYH you say you agree that GK should probably be lynched today. Examining his play in NMMXXIV as town (link) I see a player who posts slowly and doesn't contribute much in the first half of D1, and only really starts writing cases (mostly unfocused and studded with FOSes at other players) as the game progresses. It's only in the later days that he picks up steam and starts hammering on players. In LVII as scum (link), GK comes out punching, immediately posting cases and voting/Fosing, and instead of pushing multiple reads, he changes who he focuses on as soon as his case fails to gain traction (instead of pressing on, trying to really get his target lynched). He also doesn't wait to formulate reads, he _immediately_ starts flopping mud at people.

The GK in this game is the town GK that I've coached and observed extensively. He is cautious, posts rarely, and builds up momentum to be a formidable scumhunter. This is not the kinda uncaring, willing-to-make-any--case scum GK that I've seen. He is not a good D1 lynch. He is not a good vigi shot. He is town.

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 17 2013 02:28 GMT

#317

"oh blazinghand you don't understand GK's meta" YES I DO. I coached the fuck out of this guy. I know how he thinks-- I taught him how to think. He is a slow moving guy but that's how he rolls. If you lynch him for playing his town meta and not his scum meta, you're literally bad.

Wade Fell

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March 17 2013 02:30 GMT

#318

sciberbia your stuff is reasonable. will weigh in

Wade Fell

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March 17 2013 02:35 GMT

#320

quoted for filter. wow it's a good thing i'm not a real smurf

On March 17 2013 11:35 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah okay zarepath is playing like shit in terms of his reasons for finding people scummy, and is utterly inconsistent. It smacks of a new scum player being coached, backtracking his thoughts, and generally being muddled. I also don't like that he hasn't weighed in seriously on the main wagons. That being said, this seems to me to also smack of "townie who thinks he knows what he's doing but is literally bad". I feel an urge lynch him for reasons similar to the reasons I want to lynch TPS, but he smells like a mislynch. He is ineffective and bad, but he has no fear of calling people out. This reveals imo a town mindset, albeit that of a bad townie.

"oh bh are you soft defending zarepath"

well admittedly yes, this is a soft defense. I don't have a townread on him. But he is playing recklessly and thoughtlessly, much like a poorly-thought-out town play. I can't let that lie.

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 17 2013 02:48 GMT

#322

Reasonable enough.

Wade Fell

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March 17 2013 03:50 GMT

#327

I would also be greatly interested in hearing this. If you really don't think he's scum you shouldn't feel shy about saying it.

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 17 2013 05:14 GMT

#340

why does everyone in this game and last game think I have like this massive ego

I just _happen_ to always be right, it doesn't mean I have a big head about it

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 17 2013 05:17 GMT

#345

As an aside, VE, I would certainly like to join SAST but would be loathe to join it just to leave it for not voting for GK. TPS' most recent post has put me in a re-evaluative mood. soon I'll post a case so excellent you'll drop all this idea of "lynch GK"