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On March 16 2013 10:45 Oatsmaster wrote:Yes I think foolishness is probably scum because I think marv is town and I KNOW marv is a better player than me so Sheepy sheepy sheep sheep.
Holy shit you didnt actually read the check.. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 10:42 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2013 10:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
DP Why did you waste time earlier reminding us that you didnt read the thread?
Do you think foolishness is scum? If/If not, what does that mean for marv's check.
Waste time? I read from page 150 or so onwards as I was reading through the thread so I could at least be involved somewhat in current discussions. I don't think anyone would have preferred it if I had replaced in only to disappear for several days reading the thread. And as for saying I hadn't read the thread. Several people were answering with some variant of 'read the thread' to simple questions. So I politely informed everyone that I just replaced in and that this thread is enormous. So I won't be caught up for a long time. This quite frankly should have been common sense and yet I had to state several times that I had in fact NOT read the thread because apparently common sense is difficult. Ironically. If YOU had read the thread or even my paltry 2 page filter you would know the answer to the second question. But because I am nice I will not tell you to "read" and in fact answer your question politely. Yes I think foolishness is probably scum because I think marv is town and I KNOW marv is a better player than me so Sheepy sheepy sheep sheep. As for the check. It is incredibly unreliable as he had to announce it before hand which you and everyone should know already so I am guessing that question is some sort of test as to whether I, in fact, possess the common knowledge of everyone else? In no way does DP state that he in fact is town, and coupled with his scumread on Foolishness means foolishness is also probably scum. WTF DP.
Wtf are you saying Buddy? I think you think something that you haven't really thought through and so are busy reaching hasty and incorrect conclusions.
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On March 16 2013 10:46 yamato77 wrote:
I'll hold my judgement until I see this case.
you know and I know that you are one of the question marks of this game, so it matters a lot
Yes that is fine. That is the nature of:
1.) replacing in to a spammy themed game day 2.
2.) not contributing very much.
I am fine with being a question mark. But I am not going to let myself get lynched just because people don't like question marks.
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On March 16 2013 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 10:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Waste time? I read from page 150 or so onwards as I was reading through the thread so I could at least be involved somewhat in current discussions. I don't think anyone would have preferred it if I had replaced in only to disappear for several days reading the thread. And as for saying I hadn't read the thread. Several people were answering with some variant of 'read the thread' to simple questions. So I politely informed everyone that I just replaced in and that this thread is enormous. So I won't be caught up for a long time. This quite frankly should have been common sense and yet I had to state several times that I had in fact NOT read the thread because apparently common sense is difficult. This is how many times you refer to reading the thread. Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey marv. I am not going to get through everything I need to and as it's 4am I am rather tired. Could you be a dear and link me your case on foolishness and the main rebuttal? Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2013 08:55 Acrofales wrote:On March 15 2013 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2013 08:48 Acrofales wrote:On March 15 2013 07:51 Foolishness wrote:
Also, I just found this out, but apparently instead of me not getting lynched the person with the second most votes gets lynched instead. Just for the very remote possibility this is true: ##unvote
##vote CoraI want the second highest vote to be my strongest scumread. Err. What the fuck? why were you NOT voting for your strongest town read before? Because he wasn't getting lynched. I think Foolishness is scum too. Foolishness is more dangerous than Cora. You could... read my filter? Yeah. I could read your filter but it would have to get behind 120 pages of thread I still need to read and several more filters before I get to yours I am afraid. But fair enough I guess. Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 11:14 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2013 11:05 Vivax wrote:On March 15 2013 11:02 DarthPunk wrote:
Yeah I actually have to agree with VIVAX on it being doubtful that corazon would try and kill himself as scum day 2. Not only is that against every instinct you have as scum. which is generally SURVIVE! SURVIVE! But I am sure his scummer friends would have something to say about him being suicidal.
The timing to say this is pretty scummy given you've almost not been pushing anything this day. The timing to say this is scummy if Cora flips town, that is. Regardless of the timing, It is true. As for not pushing anything, well I have only read 52 pages of a 160+ plus game I am not nearly up to speed. There is an almost certain lynch on foolishness that I am pretty much sheeping marv on while I catch up so I don't see the value in pushing anything whilst I am as ill informed as I am currently and certainly don't feel the need to do so just to keep up appearances. That said if something so basic as the fact that scum don't generally try to kill themselves when, in fact, killing themselves is an antithesis to their very purpose in the game comes along; I don't feel the need to not state my agreement with it simply because the circumstances of my arrival have prevented me from contributing much prior to that Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2013 11:07 Promethelax wrote:On March 15 2013 11:02 DarthPunk wrote:
Yeah I actually have to agree with VIVAX on it being doubtful that corazon would try and kill himself as scum day 2. Not only is that against every instinct you have as scum. which is generally SURVIVE! SURVIVE! But I am sure his scummer friends would have something to say about him being suicidal.
Hey oldest friend who I've missed This post is shit You add nothing at all To the Marv/fool brawl Could you give me a read list? I think yamato is town. I think marv is probably town and I am sheeping marv while I catch up. Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 11:19 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2013 11:17 Vivax wrote:
Scratch that actually he has a point, I remember how I felt replacing into Themed Game and barely being able to catch up.
(Funny enough the first two guys I wanted to lynch were scum)/Swag Yep it's really difficult. No offense to everyone who wants me to 'read' or 'push a case' For me Bugs has not even been lynched yet so give me a break. K thanks. Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 11:27 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2013 11:25 marvellosity wrote:Townies gonna argue with mafia, son, and vice versa. That's a fact of mafia. It was all quite civil  Yes, but Marv, and this is important, your filter is already 30+ pages. And I had to READ that marv. and i'll have to RE-READ it. waste of space.
And that makes me scum because?
Honestly I have a two page filter so if you are saying that I have spammed you are ridiculous. If you are saying I haven't contributed that is correct but also should be expected as a product of my arrival.
The fact that people are expecting more out of a replacement in a game of this scope so late is ridiculous and also the reason I have had to keep reminding them that it is ridiculous. I wish I could have been left alone to read the thread but the sad fact is that I replaced in at 1am my time and by 3 am people were acting like I should have read everything already.
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On March 16 2013 10:57 yamato77 wrote:
I just want him to post analysis
I'm proxy-marv since he is asleep so I have to put pressure on people to discern their alignment
Your expectations like everyone else as to the amount I can do are far far too large.
I replaced in day 2 it is now almost day 3. I had 150 pages of thread to read on top of the current reading. I also have real life.
You all need to DRASTICALLY reduce your expectations of the amount I can contribute or lynch me.
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On March 16 2013 11:08 yamato77 wrote:
He says he has a case
I want to see it.
Replacement excuse only lasts so long, IMO.
And I told you I would post it after the day post. Round and Round in circles we go.
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On March 16 2013 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
STOP TALKING AND READ YOU IDIOT.
The reason why people think you are scummy, me included, is that you feel the need to respond to everything with the little information you have because you didnt finish reading the thread. Which isnt helpful.
I have read enough to start participating. I already mentioned that. If you had... Read my posts instead of this useless posturing on what I think you have mistakenly identified as an easy lynch. If I hadn't read enough I wouldn't be making a case would I. This is all very easy to discover if you had in fact... Read.
And I can respond to anything I wish. The first objective as town is to not get mislynched. It would be far better if I didn't have to hold your hand to navigate you through your own idiocy. But that's life I guess.
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On March 16 2013 11:16 yamato77 wrote:
I will say, I don't like his response to the pressure.
Like I said, time will tell, but pressuring him is never an objectively bad move
How have you pressured me? telling me to post a case that I already said I was going to post? ROFL.
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On March 16 2013 11:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
So you have read the thread right?
So you are now not treated as a replacement and you cannot use 'reading the thread' as an excuse ANYMORE.
Welcome.
No. I haven't read the whole thread. But I have read enough to know what's going on. I don't think I will ever read the whole thread.
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Oats how heavily are you roleplaying?
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On March 16 2013 11:49 yamato77 wrote:
I haven't read the whole thread and I am in the game
I don't like you being an asshole to me about this stuff but usually that is a town tell.
I'm not being an arsehole to you yamato. I am just being an arsehole in general. and here was me promising myself to play nice when I came back to tl mafia.
Also you are my number one dead solid town read so I really do love you when you aren't being silly <3
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Holy shit. Why is there so much KP?
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SOO either marv got it really really wrong. or marv is scum. Ew.
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Add to that the fact that marv is still alive day 3 and I don't like the smell of those roses.
That being said I have seen marv be spectacularly wrong before. It's just not that common.
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I mean with 5!, 5!!!! KP you think marv would be dead by now right?
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OK here is the case I promised after the day post. This is the first really solid read I have had so far.
Stutters.
First up he does nothing really just defends himself a bit from some rather weak attacks.
Then after he is pressed for a read he whips out ASAP a throwaway read which also happens to be on one of his accusers crossfire.
On March 12 2013 01:33 Stutters695 wrote:
I've also never role-played I'm game before. My money is on xfire flipping scum.
This is his first ‘scum read’ it’s not particularly good or convincing. It is a basic appeasement to those who were pressuring him it also happened to be one of his accusers and someone who was also under a certain amount of suspicion at that time.
But it is day one right. we can expect people to throw out some basic scum reads early on but people rarely stick to them. It’s most posturing. Right?
Wrong.
Stutters then does something so classic to first time scum players. He locks into his first throw away read for the rest of the game.
On March 12 2013 01:42 Stutters695 wrote:
Well I was going you'd guys get who I received but apparently not. I rolled Kenpachi. I'll take it more seriously though. I want joking about XFire though, nearly everything else was worthless trolling since that seemed to be his MO.
On March 12 2013 02:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Right now crossfire. This feels just like his mtg2 play without the scum claim due to different mechanics.
I did miss the last ten pages or so due to sleep so I'm going to catch up on those now but I'd vote cross 100% right now.
Every post since then is pushing his first throwaway read on Xfire. or agreeing with the popular sentiment of the thread (sloosh, vivax, bugs) at the time but then back to his first read on Xfire.
On March 12 2013 02:56 Stutters695 wrote:
I don't think either are as sure as Crossfire but I'd definitely go Sloosh if people can't be convinced of Cross. Bugs I think we can definitely get something if value out of.
On March 12 2013 03:26 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm aware of that sloosh but here's what I take issue with: you haven't pushed him at all until recently (outside of one post) and you haven't said anything else. If you had spent all your time pushing him I'd understand but you haven't, you didn't weigh in on my blatant trolling, bugs noncommittal posting or Crossfires useless posts.
Every. Single. Post. pushing for a lynch is honed in on his day one throwaway. he doesn’t need to do anything to fly under the radar aside from push crossfire with a small mention of one of the more popular lynch candidates then back to crossfire.
Even his post on the mostrosity that has dominated the entire game (marv/foolishness) has some mention of crossfire.
On March 15 2013 02:07 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 13:53 Acrofales wrote:
Also, the following people have dropped off the face of the game: risk.nuke, HiroPro and Stutters.
@all 3: give me your thoughts on foolishness, marv, yamato and cora.
Ver's absense is going beyond just lurking and into complete inactivity. He's cruising for a modkill. Giving up on even trying with him. If he makes another minimal throwaway effort today, we lynch him tomorrow as the scum he is: If he doesn't then he gets replaced/modkilled. No point worrying about him now. I'm awake now and caught up. Foolishness: I'm going to read some of his past games but I'm not sure I buy his trap. It's really his only post of value (aside from his meta analysis on Vivax based off of one of his scum games). He makes decent points but essentially all he said on Yamato was the vig shot was anti-town and so was the disappearing. His crossfire case is a bit better but again his whole case is based around an action and associations. If Yamato or cross flips town then everything in that post is random conjecture without any proof and he'll still have contributed nothing. He might make these types of cases all the time but I need to check it. I'm leaning scum but not my first choice. My gut tells me town on Marv. He saw the same things on Cross that I saw d1 and really seemed to be the only other person really pushing for Cross when it was headed towards WBG around 24h in. Through his filter I don't see nearly as much jumping around as people say (he's jumped between his top targets which i don't remember him doing quite so much but he's got reasoning behind it). Post on the other two coming up.
On March 15 2013 04:10 Stutters695 wrote:
Also since its the only option I agree with (although I still think Crossfire needs to hang) ##vote: Foolishness
On March 15 2013 05:11 Stutters695 wrote:
Arco can you expand on why you think if Foolishness is scum cross must be town? I'm not following that leap.
Stutters has been flying under the radar by pushing corssfire and only crossfire or the populist consensus at the time.
Furthermore, I have played with stutters a couple of times and while he is usually really inactive he has in several games made some really good arguments and thoughtful additions to the discussion when he has actually decided to contribute.
This game has none of that. All he does is mindlessly push crossfire or agree with the popular sentiment at the time. There is nothing of the town stutters who offers rare but insightful posts.
Tunnelling one player is a super easy strat to pull off and common for first time mafiosos’
Stutters is using his tunnel to fly under the radar. Stutters is using his tunnel to avoid scumhunting while still holding a ‘position’
Stutters is scum.
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On March 16 2013 12:17 Vivax wrote:
Kill yamato or marv finally.
Enough said.
Me rambling more doesn't stimulate brain growth.
This town is depressing.at least dandel is dead so that's something (that marv wants to use to argue he's town)
Yamato is town. Marv is far less likely to be town though.
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Also stutters is in my opinion guaranteed red. He has done nothing but fly under the radar the whole game.
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On March 16 2013 12:21 yamato77 wrote:
How the fuck is Foolish that wrong about me
I do not trust that flip whatsoever
You think that foolishness was red that flipped green? The precedent for altering flips was set with corazon and the announcement etc. You think that there is a power to alter flips with an announcement and then another power to alter flips with nothing at all?
I don't buy that and it falls far too heavily into the realm of bastard hosting for my liking I am afraid.
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On March 16 2013 12:28 Stutters695 wrote:
Well I got a notification saying my sleeper cell KP has been used so that explains one of the KP.
Or you are scum and that explains one of the KP.
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On March 16 2013 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:
DP you might not have noticed but with Cora the announcement was twelve hours after the flip.
I find it hard to believe that a death framer would have multiple shots however so I doubt we'll see anything. :/
Stutters you may not have noticed but the flip had an announcement of the announcement.
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