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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:10 GMT
#3373
On January 29 2013 02:09 yamato77 wrote:
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On January 29 2013 02:08 FiveTouch wrote:
And yet gonzaw supported Toad over austin, and austin never moved his vote over to gonzaw even though he could easily have done so without attracting suspicion :/

Sounds like you're more upset that this didn't happen than you are about it being a reason he isn't mafia.


This doesn't even make sense.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:13 GMT
#3376
It's more because I'm repeating myself.

In the quote Vivax provided, he said he was happy to vote for gonzaw, and yet he never did. austin could easily have consolidated over to gonzaw and made him sheriff, yet didn't, and let Toad become elected sheriff instead. austin was plenty active Day 1 and it makes no sense that he wouldn't throw his support over to gonzaw at some stage, especially as he'd seemingly given himself this opportunity to do so.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:14 GMT
#3378
On January 29 2013 02:13 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 02:08 FiveTouch wrote:
And yet gonzaw supported Toad over austin, and austin never moved his vote over to gonzaw even though he could easily have done so without attracting suspicion :/

he never supported me


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344&currentpage=166#3312
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:15 GMT
#3380
austin could have moved his vote over to gonzaw at any stage... It didn't have to be a last minute thing.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:17 GMT
#3383
Ok, so despite the fact that bugs (confirmed flipped town DT) and I are pretty damn certain austin isn't mafia, you guys want to lynch him. Great.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:18 GMT
#3385
austin *could* be mafia, but I'd lynch a whole bunch of guys above him.

The reasons for annul/stutters/clarity/debears/fuba to be town are much weaker than for austin.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:19 GMT
#3387
I never said I was infallible, but when bugs and I have equally strong feelings about someone, it's usually a sign of something.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:20 GMT
#3389
On January 29 2013 02:20 yamato77 wrote:
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On January 29 2013 02:18 FiveTouch wrote:
austin *could* be mafia, but I'd lynch a whole bunch of guys above him.

The reasons for annul/stutters/clarity/debears/fuba to be town are much weaker than for austin.

Funny how that list got longer since the last time you posted it.

Riddle me this: if both mafia are among that group, what hope do they have of winning?


Because people like you want to lynch people like austin?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:22 GMT
#3391
Why are you asking me stupid questions?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:22 GMT
#3393
On January 29 2013 02:22 yamato77 wrote:
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On January 29 2013 02:22 FiveTouch wrote:
Why are you asking me stupid questions?

Why are you defending someone with a weak piece of WIFOM?


why don't you ask bugs the same thing?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:24 GMT
#3395
I've explained quite clearly why I agree with bugs.

Except you're dismissing the same reasoning we've both used as 'weak wifom'.

There's not a lot I can do about that.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:26 GMT
#3399
I've explained it repeatedly in the last couple of pages.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:27 GMT
#3401
OK, when two strong players reach the same conclusion on the same data, it's weak.

You must be right, I concede the point.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:35 GMT
#3405
On January 29 2013 02:32 yamato77 wrote:
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On January 29 2013 02:27 FiveTouch wrote:
OK, when two strong players reach the same conclusion on the same data, it's weak.

You must be right, I concede the point.

The only way you're right is if there's another mafia on Gonzaw, because that would give mafia no logical options to get him elected with.

prplhz was on you, wasting his vote intentionally.

Chezinu moved his vote around, ending up on Gonzaw.

Gonzaw was on himself.

Where were the other 2 votes, if mafia was actually invested in getting Gonzaw elected?

Do you really think Mocsta and Axle are mafia?


You understand that not only mafia get to vote right? By austin standing he's leeching town votes as well as mafia votes. Anyone on austin could have voted gonzaw if he'd taken himself out the running. Especially as austin had supported gonzaw.

Sigh. There's a whole bunch of people telling me I might be wrong on this, so I'm going to avoid doing my Oats thing and look again at austin.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:42 GMT
#3408
On January 29 2013 02:37 yamato77 wrote:
You can't reliably say that the town votes on Austin would have gone to Gonzaaw, or vice-versa, if you're the mafia team on day 1.


No, but it's much how the presidential elections in France usually work. There's the right-centre candidate, the socialist type candidate, and the far-right candidate.

Usually in their elections the far-right candidate gets elected in the first round of voting, and their votes go over to the right-centre candidate. I'd anticipate similar would happen here, especially as austin had given hearty support to gonzaw.

Anyway I'll think about it later when I'm not supposed to be working.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:42 GMT
#3409
EBWOP: *the far-right candidate gets *eliminated*
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:46 GMT
#3410
Also, if we do somehow have a vigi/joat with a bullet, they should obviously be shooting at austin.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 18:12 GMT
#3413
Going through austin's filter at work because I'm naughty. I found this:

On January 22 2013 08:08 austinmcc wrote:
Vivax,

Given that you seem to want toad with bodyguards, and toad wants toad with bodyguards, but does not want Chez with bodyguards, why keep your vote on Chez?


Hi probable townie, given you want another townie with bodyguards (toad), why don't you move your vote off mafia and on to this townie?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 18:24 GMT
#3415
Yes, and in doing so trying to get him to move his vote off mafia and on to a (presumed) townie.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 18:36 GMT
#3426
On January 29 2013 03:35 debears wrote:
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On January 29 2013 03:33 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 29 2013 03:29 debears wrote:
Something we should keep in mind with austin

Gonz was jack mason

I would think mafia woild try to get him into office with his role
Chez was godfather, meaning they most likely didn't want him in office (dt immunity)
Prp was a goon, meaning they didn't expect him to last long

they can decide their roles after seeing how it works though. Agree with marvs find though.


They had to decide by the start of n1.

Austin was pretty townish in my books heading into n1. Why not give him the godfather mason over chez?


Because Chez is way more likely to be checked than austin, for a start. That's not a good argument.
Artanis & marv
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