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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 14:38 GMT
#3303
On January 28 2013 23:29 Vivax wrote:
That's why I asked you and Mocsta.


Alright. It seems kinda likely we'll lynch between fuba and Stutters tomorrow. There's one progression in fuba's filter I don't like - after you revealed your gonzaw check but before he actually flipped, he said you were pretty likely to be town. Since then your check was confirmed correct, and subsequently now he thinks you're mafia.

I'm not quite sure how much I read into that right now, given how... abrasive? you've been since then. Dunno.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 14:58 GMT
#3305
Have you not been reading what I said about him? :/
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 15:10 GMT
#3307
It's quite an important thing ^^

There aren't many reasons to call either Stutters or fuba town.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 15:14 GMT
#3308
annul, who do you think is mafia right now?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 15:36 GMT
#3312
On January 29 2013 00:32 Toadesstern wrote:
Let's kill austin tomorrow.

D1 here's what happened:
I asked Gonzaw to vote for me to make me sheriff. He said he'll look into it and vote me if he won't get enough votes.
He keeps his vote on himself until 5 minutes (by heart..) prior to deadline and sticks with it because he has 3 votes.
HOWEVER he said he's fine with both austin and me and I think he was more fine with austin being sheriff than me.

Have to check it but it looks odd. On top of that look at Chez' votes: austin -> BKE -> gonzaw 1 minute prior to deadline.

On top of that if we assume Sandro (voting austin), axle (99% certain townie) and mocsta (most likely townie due to double mason flip) that leaves oats, Gonzaw and austin as people on austin / gonzaw. Gonzaw was mafia. Let's say oats is town for now. That means they can only get one to 4 without using a ninjavote from chez to push it to 5 which they MOST LIKELY didn't want to risk because that would have made it look really odd.


The problem is, this is incorrect. He stated more than once he preferred you to austin.

On January 22 2013 07:13 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 07:04 Toadesstern wrote:
gonzaw vote me now :p


I'll see if I get some votes first. I prefer you over austin though, so if it comes down to it I'll change my vote to you.

Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 15:47 GMT
#3315
On January 29 2013 00:44 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 00:35 Vivax wrote:
On January 26 2013 10:00 DearestSnot wrote:
AUSTIN CANNOT BE SCUM.

He would have cannibalized gonzaw's day 1 votes; they would not run together


What do you think about this?

that was at a time when we were dead certain about BKE and chez both being mafia. I'd say he's a good option again.
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 00:36 FiveTouch wrote:
On January 29 2013 00:32 Toadesstern wrote:
Let's kill austin tomorrow.

D1 here's what happened:
I asked Gonzaw to vote for me to make me sheriff. He said he'll look into it and vote me if he won't get enough votes.
He keeps his vote on himself until 5 minutes (by heart..) prior to deadline and sticks with it because he has 3 votes.
HOWEVER he said he's fine with both austin and me and I think he was more fine with austin being sheriff than me.

Have to check it but it looks odd. On top of that look at Chez' votes: austin -> BKE -> gonzaw 1 minute prior to deadline.

On top of that if we assume Sandro (voting austin), axle (99% certain townie) and mocsta (most likely townie due to double mason flip) that leaves oats, Gonzaw and austin as people on austin / gonzaw. Gonzaw was mafia. Let's say oats is town for now. That means they can only get one to 4 without using a ninjavote from chez to push it to 5 which they MOST LIKELY didn't want to risk because that would have made it look really odd.


The problem is, this is incorrect. He stated more than once he preferred you to austin.

On January 22 2013 07:13 gonzaw wrote:
On January 22 2013 07:04 Toadesstern wrote:
gonzaw vote me now :p


I'll see if I get some votes first. I prefer you over austin though, so if it comes down to it I'll change my vote to you.


well yeah, but he never did...
Just check austins filter.


He never did, but so what? gonzaw never even left the door open for him being able to vote for austin, because if he voted for austin after saying he preferred you, he'd be caught immediately. He didn't vote for you in the end because a) he's mafia and b) you already had the position.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 15:58 GMT
#3318
So in other words, you have no opinion whatsoever?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 16:10 GMT
#3325
I'm not really figuring Chez in too heavily to my candidate considerations, he was an outlier. gonzaw/toad/austin were the serious candidates for sherriff, I don't think Chez was ever going to happen.

annul, I don't really have any game-changing information or anything that would stop someone being mafia (apart from the one toad knows about). If I implied so / it read so, it shouldn't, my apologies.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 16:14 GMT
#3328
On January 29 2013 01:11 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 01:00 austinmcc wrote:
(2) shut up and let Gonzaw die, given that so many votes had been dropped on him and it was unlikely I'd save him before the end of D2.


and that one sounds weird to me. I don't know... maybe some native could tell me if it does sound weird in english but when I think about it in german it does sound weird. I just don't know about this "I would".

As in, does it sound weird at all to you?
If it does, is it because it's wrong tenses or is it because it sounds weird on itself.


It sounds fine to me. It's not a point in austin's favour, though, because he's clever enough to know that he'd be able to use this argument in the future (i.e. now).

Because actually the fact that gonzaw was unsaveable means any clever mafia could opposite and later go "omgz, why would I do that, it's so silly!!!!"
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 16:14 GMT
#3330
EBWOP: *could oppose it, not opposite. oops ^^
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 16:25 GMT
#3333
Just gonna say it now, I'm never not going to lynch someone for balance reasons.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 16:33 GMT
#3335
Well, that's more setup rather than balance

The only somewhat conclusions I've drawn are the mason mafia/town ratio.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 16:36 GMT
#3338
The reason that Vivax quoted of bugs is an extremely good reason not to, actually.

Three major candidates for sherriff - toad, austin, gonzaw. If both gonzaw/austin are mafia then they shouldn't have been running against each other so late in the day, or they should have been giving themselves options to try to get the other into power. None of these things happened.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 16:40 GMT
#3340
Why would you claim? Fuck me. This tells us and gives us nothing.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 16:43 GMT
#3344
austin is kinda legendary for playing blue roles like he has a mental disease, however.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 16:47 GMT
#3353
On January 29 2013 01:45 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 01:40 FiveTouch wrote:
Why would you claim? Fuck me. This tells us and gives us nothing.
Mostly guilt over not participating. I'm not used to not being involved, and I don't like it. I don't think I'm a likely NK candidate at this point, because I've been so uninvolved, so the surprise of the role is gone. And if I'm not going to be able to contribute as positively as normal, I especially don't want to clog up a day of discussion.

I understand you don't seem to want to lynch me, but if there's serious discussion on that point I'd rather just nip it in the bud. It's probably dumb, it doesn't give us anything except maybe make scum NKs interesting. Effectively, with 1 KP, there are 3 targets they can't kill and it's going to be difficult to see them try and set up for the very late game.


Except how does an unverifiable claim nip anything in the bud?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 16:54 GMT
#3360
It's not weak at all, it's extremely strong.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:01 GMT
#3364
I don't know who the mafia are, but it's the principle. It's silly that they either didn't support each other or at least leave their options open to support each other.

austin in general has been townier than guys like fuba, stutters, annul.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:02 GMT
#3365
he's fucking around on his way to voting gonzaw.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 28 2013 17:08 GMT
#3370
And yet gonzaw supported Toad over austin, and austin never moved his vote over to gonzaw even though he could easily have done so without attracting suspicion :/
Artanis & marv
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