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On January 09 2013 10:47 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 10:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 09 2013 10:40 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 10:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 22:41 yamato77 wrote:
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In these two posts he establishes the idea that somehow he intended to look scummy to generate discussion. This is not only counter-intuitive because it is a TOWNIE thing to generate discussion, but also obviously an example of what I have realized is post-hoc rationalization. His intentions when he made the posts DP called him out for were almost certainly not to look scummy. Nobody in the game ever has any interest in looking scummy. Not town, not scum, anyone. However, scum do have an interest in making their former scummy actions seem better in hindsight with the types of justifications he gives here.
On January 08 2013 05:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 05:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Making yourself look scummy to elicit a response is not good town play. Are you suggesting you've been posting with this hidden intention?
Also, you can generate discussion without looking bad. Lol it's not a hidden intention. But apparently it's a side effect that was somehow generated one way or the other. Apparently Yamato missed that post right beneath in my filter. More lies. Lol did you read the posts you conveniently cut out? You said exactly what you bolded in my post you jackass. No, I did not. It seems thats what I said. Apparently you didn't read carefully to realize I clarified. Stop being mad @ me bro. By "clarified" you mean changed your whole fucking story. I am mad because you've made me waste a shitload of time looking at your scummy ass this game when you're a blue. Now people want me to have another scum read on a moment's notice. I would have lynched Shaio, too, but there's no development in me saying that because he wasn't posting. What am I supposed to do, fake a read on Hapa or some shit so you guys can call me confirmed scum? Stop being stupid with your bias against me.
Okay you can stop calling me bad, etc. You obviously can't read if you thought I changed my story. I'm town - why the fuck would I change my story. Now stop being angry and do shit if you're town.
Everyone in this game "wasted time" by calling me scummy etc, and you're the only one bitching about it. Man up. Stop complaining. You should be glad we aren't mislynching. Apparently, you're only pissed off that I claimed Doc and you're left to wallow in despair.
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I have to say it does sound like me trying association cases with double bussing scum lolol
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LOL Hapa I told you Ewya was Yamato. Ahahahaha.
Gawsh this is confuzzling. What besides the "running a marathon" post makes you think Jay is townie?
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Shaio seemed more scum than Dandel. Problem is they are the same person. What do.
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Oh I haven't been reading that much soz. But yeah Shaio was super scummy always defending himself without the need to. Sooo Dandel can you back up your claims of what Z-bo is accusing you of? (putting words in his mouth)
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Lol I don't think I've ever seen a town refer to someone pressuring him as bussing. Sorry that's really funny. Seems scummy.
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Z-Bo looking pretty town right now.
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Yeah, I'm pretty confident this Z is town. A lot of effort going over his past game. He seems to care a ton and isn't facerolling over this Dandel lynch -- wants to pursue other reads such as his evil twin brother Mr. Z.
But yeah. I'm not convinced of Jays towniness, and still Mr. Z irks me. Scumteam still most likely two of the three Yamato / Jay / Dandel. I'll provide the hammer on any if y'all want.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 05:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:ShiaoPi is a chronic defender. He spends more time defending / justifying himself than he does actually being useful. + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 12:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well I am trying not to be lurky, but sometimes shit does come up, so I cannot gurantee being much more active than usually.
@MrZentor:
I agree on your point of just having general guidelines instead of a limit by which the vote must happen. While we should use the additional time we have, I don't like setting up something definite, it just gives scum an easier way to move in a set frame. On January 05 2013 14:07 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Jay:
I am doing a pressure vote on Rise since his last post seemed to me as if he would just be gone for a couple of hours before popping back into the thread, as he has not done so, I believe myself justified well enough, since I have questions for him that I want answered.
I think you got ninja'ed by me during writing your post. I did give out a stancee on his posting. I also fail to see how I have tried to lie low in this game....
Your case seems really weak to me.
/shrug On January 05 2013 14:28 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Jay:
I said that the exchange they had read kind of townish. But that I disliked DP's reluctance to vote. Xatalos is null just as easy as that.
Read that post again please.
I clearly said that DP is the weaker read of the two and that his behaviour does not add up. My thoughtprocess is right in that post.
With all that is happening in thread right now I am tending towards lynching DP, but I would really hear more from Rise and yamato On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
Xatalos:
I said earlier that Xatalos is a lynchbait.
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On January 06 2013 17:25 ShiaoPi wrote:
I do scumhunt, just because I am not writing a case on anything that moves does not mean I am not doing it...
Boson is pretty much town in my eyes, no reason to share his spreadsheet with his thoughts lined out with us if he were scum. Also he has directly started to scumhunt as soon as he replaced in, gets lots of towniepoints from me.
CC is someone I don't want to lynch today, you may think him scummy for not making a shitton of cases but that is just a difference in playstyle imo. Looking through his filter he is actively trying to get more information out of people by asking questions promoting discussing. What I dislike is parking his vote on MrZ but that is nothing to be honest.
On January 06 2013 19:11 ShiaoPi wrote:
@yamato:
While I like you doing more analysis, there is some stuff I do not agree with. Especially the first post you quoted with the guidelines on time. Hapa actually wanted a self-imposed deadline of 72h, which is something I did not agree to. So taking that quote from Zentor out of context makes it seem as it were all the time pushing for lynching somebody to end it the day. That is simply wrong. I can also sympathise with his sentiment that we really should start consolidating on someone by now. A much longer day 1 has negative effect on us imo.
You are right when you say that his play is not necessarily pro-town by now. But I can understand where he comes from to a certain degree, which explains why I said earlier that I am torn on all my candidates for today's lynch.
@Xatalos:
Nice that you have popped in, but not only are you dead wrong on me but your case is crap. I expected more than cherrypicking my filter for bits you can build something on.
I cannot even fathom how you critisize me for putting a vote on Rise as pressure when he had done jackshit at that moment.
The next two quotes are an answer to a question I was asked to. I was asked who the other options of mine were, I responded. Don't even see what is wrong with them as if you have studied my filter it is pretty clear why I listed each of them.
Now towards my stances being neutral and weak is stupid as shit. I posted my thoughts on the players I found suspicious at the moment and pressured them when they were around see the entire dialogue between me and yamato just above.
As icing on the cake you take a game from almost half a year back (which was also one of my newbie games) as a "meta-argument". That is a nice example of false usage of meta-arguments. If you want to study my meta at least take the most recent game in which I was town (which is LVII if I recall correctly) and compare it to this game...
This is just terribly bad and feels forced.
##vote: Xatalos On January 06 2013 21:27 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 20:05 Xatalos wrote:On January 06 2013 19:41 ShiaoPi wrote:On January 06 2013 19:36 Xatalos wrote:On January 06 2013 19:25 ShiaoPi wrote:
I am voting you now because:
-flip flopping on DP in some logical inconsistencies earlier
-not committing at all earlier
-writing a terribly bad case for the sake of writing one to get some pressure off yourself.
call it OMGUS if you want, I don't think so.
Also you have been on my hitlist now, Zentor is not around so I cannot ask him stuff right now, I just asked yamato a bunch of stuff earlier. Leaving you and with that crap contribution you look like the best option for today's lynch When was I under pressure...? I've just been trying find someone scummier than Mr. Cheesecake, but it's not an easy job, considering the relatively low activity and the high amount of townish/nullish players. There are many things in your filter that strike me as suspicious (mentioned earlier), and even though they're partly intuition and not solid proof, it's better than Mr. Cheesecake in my eyes (he started off under the radar but has had some engagement since then). Several people have mentioned you as a possible lynch candidate that qualifies as under pressure. I would really be interested in those "many things" in my filter that are suspicious, I already answered the ones you quoted earlier. Please show them to me, I don't even know where you find them. Anyway I am out for dinner now. See you later. Okay... I guess that counts as pressure, although I haven't been even remotely in a dangerous spot until now. But this always happens to me when I'm town at some point, so I'm not too worried yet. Are you saying you were really pressuring RiseAgain? I just can't see anything but a weak fake pressure in that. Merely voting for someone without any actual pressure doesn't count as pressure. Some other players in this game have thrown away weak votes as well, but at least they tried to create some pressure. You didn't even try - the opposite, you openly said it was only an empty vote beforehand. Why were you suddenly okay with lynching DP when he started to gain a bandwagon for himself? All I can see is an opportunistic (yet extremely vague) move to potentially get rid of an active player. And when the bandwagon started to crumble, you suddenly dropped him from your suspects without saying a word about it. It feels like you're just trying to get someone lynched, and it doesn't really matter who. So I am back. Where did I say I was really pressuring Rise? I clearly said it was to get him to post, since I had questions for him, that I wanted to answer. It is blatantly clear in my filter.
I was not "suddenly" okay with lynching DP, stop misrepresenting facts. Mr.CC asked me who my other possible candidates were. That was after the first episode of DP/Hapa-shitfest but before the entire wagon on him started. I was active during the increasing pressure on DP, being part of it myself, before I had to leave cause of RL matters. How is it opportunistic for me to be one of the persons being there while the pressure added up, when I really thought that he might be red??
The bandwagon started to crumble because DP was doing some really townish posts, thing is I was not in the thread at that time. As soon as I was back und caught up I removed DP from my hitlist as he was much more townie now. I did not want to bloat my post with the DP matter again, when it was not part of the trending discussion in the thread, but I did "say a word" about it....Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
Okay finally got some time to give out some thoughts.
First off welcome Z-Boson, good to have a active replacement!
Moving on to some housekeeping:
DP's reactions since I was gone seem to me pretty townie, by extension Hapa seems town as well with the entire thoughtprocess behind tunneling being revealed. So I am retracting my scum-leaning read that I had on DP earlier.
-snip- I for sure care who gets lynched, seriously are you even reading this thread? I clearly stated which persons I want to lynch during varying times already. He seems pretty paranoid and feels the need to defend himself at every juncture. Frequently he references his past posts to justify his actions and explain them. Take a look at his vote for Xatalos, for example. He basically just calls him bad, defends himself hardcore, and then votes. The symptoms of a guilty conscience, perhaps?
Idk I'll pretty much lynch Dandel for what his counterpart was doing -- going turtle mode.
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Just one more vote on Dandel before I'll hammer it.
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Because this mislynch needs pushing. And fast.
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Wtf hapa is confirmed town. I friggen saved him from the NK
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Just a troll, Hapa. Either way let's just lynch dandel. then get jay / yamato after. I don't see z-bo being scum right now and Mr.Z is just a wild card. Everyone has some reason to be scum right now.
Although in truth i'd be more in favor of a yamato lynch simply because he lies / misrepresents so much.
Didn't he say he was going to make Dandel a "contributing town player" somewhere? Where has this occured? And why does he assume dandel is town o.o
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what about jay / yamato scumteam. maybe mrz jay lol
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to hammer or not to hammer. that is the question.
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Now he shows up. So yeah i could just lynch you right now... why shouldnt i?
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Yamato defended you hardcore D1 be tee dubs just sayin
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I know Dandels scum meta. He wants his scumbuddy to bus him. In our game he kept screaming at us to bus the fuck out of him. That's why there is no pressure to not lynch you.
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You have 30 minutes Dandel. 30 minutes.
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EPT
