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AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 07 2012 19:14 GMT
#956
I'd like to know the intention of this. Did you have read on me as scum already?
Based on what?
Why else emotionally prod me?
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 04 2012 10:29 Rad wrote:
3. Green. I'll let you figure out why (spoiler: it's cause I'm a genius).



[QUOTE]On December 04 2012 12:20 Rad wrote:
[QUOTE]Don't hold back thinking others are just straight up better than you, waiting for them to make a move.[/QUOTE]

Ok...
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 07 2012 19:36 GMT
#957
As it is my Best read and I know what I am,
##Vote Rad

Are you there? Please id like to talk to you.
I have some more questions about intentions.
Especially when they began.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 07 2012 19:56 GMT
#959
yeah I have stuff. I really did want to discuss it. but oh well
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 07 2012 20:33 GMT
#962
Do we have over 24hrs to Lynch?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 07 2012 20:34 GMT
#963
On December 08 2012 05:19 Rad wrote:
Axle did you really just OMGUS me? =/

I dont think so.

Is there time we could discuss more interactively before the next lynch time?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 07 2012 20:39 GMT
#964
Ah going night night.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 08 2012 03:24 GMT
#972
I am sorry if this math analysis was not what you were expecting. Remember I FOS everyone. When theres nothing better to do I FOS me just to be sure. I am Simple Ben.

On December 08 2012 05:40 Kickstart wrote:
Yes we have over 24 hours left. Please post some of your reasoning and questions for Rad so that we may all see your reasons and so that Rad may answer the questions when he has time. This is generally how forums work, you post something and then wait for a response so that not everyone is required to be there at the same exact time, you don't wait for everyone to gather in the thread and then start posting.


Good if we are going to discuss things, then me discussing it with the person who committed first and hence most to this task is best way for me to be sure, that neither of us disclose more than is necessary to establish a shared understanding.

First a theoretical discussion of why it is not currently wise for anyone to just go blah blah blah.
If you are town 100% and you don't know who you are dealing with even if you do have a strong read.
You should not show all your cards. You should not show cards in an atmosphere where there are arbitrarily
long periods to craft an answer. One of the way to limit the depth to which the lies go is to insist the honest
exchange happen in real time. While with time it is possible to make up very very deep lies you cant logic your
way out of its real time exchange that carries risk for both parties. You drink the wine one molecule at time each.
The prisoners dilemma, is a prisoners dilemma, but the iterated prisoners dilemma has tit for tat,
I have not verified this, so if a mathematician wishes to object, please tell me.
If you were careful each round in the iteration could be for higher and higher stakes and although the temptation to defect grows, the ever increasing possibility of future reward, ensures honesty in perpetuity.

Q1. If someone wishes to discuss why we are going to play an iterated prisoners dilemma. Please do so. If you wish to show good faith by adding your own indipendent mathematical reason you have freedom to do so in you own way.

A game of math tit for tat anyone? Or is math common language where it is too hard to lie.?

We will thus not be playing one round of prisoners dilemma.

I am happy to discuss it with either someone I trust so as to gain more trust.
I am happy to discuss it with either someone I dont trust so as to solidify that read too.

So is someone from my nominated list available?

The questions and answering and stuff will go slow then speed up. If you don't like that please explain when all I ask is small amount of real time (now not prepared earlier) to satisfy my need to validate you, you cant give that?

So is someone from my nominated list available?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 08 2012 03:27 GMT
#973
Do remember guys you asked to play to the BEST of my ability. This is me helping you keep you powder dry but only if you are what I deserve.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 08 2012 03:28 GMT
#975
In case that hard for some what we going to do is I wont dump everything I know until someone from my list agrees to some of it. it will go real slow to start, but get faster, sorry if you thought I should show you all my cards first.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 08 2012 03:37 GMT
#976
If either of you are here play a couple of round for free at my risk to see that its Ok and safe?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 08 2012 03:41 GMT
#977
Is someone here at all?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 08 2012 03:58 GMT
#979
Simple Ben is Cooky to a song.

In an iterated prisoners dilemma each party takes a small risk, where cooperating has the biggest pay off, but either
side could 'defect' at anytime. If this is an actual game, this is the best strategy I know.

TBMK there is no extra risk to you than if someone says tell me everything you know about the situation.
Indeed there is less. If Kick asks me to disclose stuff if doing so does not get result, that reflects poorly on Kick
What I am proposing above minimises the Risk for Kick who is to me (towner than) Rad.

If it shuts your head. Just say it hurts my head and play. If the math is wrong i take the blame Ok?
Look I put more bet on the table.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 08 2012 04:03 GMT
#980
EBWOP: If it shuts down your head. Just say it hurts my head and play. If the math is wrong i take the blame Ok?

but then I get the reward for taking the risk of showing how to play this.

That is no small risk/reward as apparently this appears to not be what you expected hence common knowledge.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 08 2012 04:14 GMT
#982
are you suggesting a course of action Yamato7 or making noise?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 08 2012 04:15 GMT
#983
Is there anyone with an actual justifiable Scum read on me?
That they wish to prosecute using an iterated dilemma as described
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 08 2012 04:16 GMT
#984
Kick and Rad your now extended absence is making think the other way about you? where are you?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 08 2012 04:21 GMT
#985
##unvote
##vote Nolynch

I can see way either could be scum. I dont have the time or the past history to decide.
Does anyone else wish to nominate which one of those two we lynch first.
We have sufficient time to lynch both, unless anyone else has abetter candidate for today and case they can make.

(Do note how little information I disclosed... got here anyway(or an equivalent place). I am suspecting that may not have been the expected mechanic?)


Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 08 2012 04:26 GMT
#987

I can see way either could be scum. I dont have the time or the past history to decide.
Does anyone else wish to nominate which one of those two we lynch first.
We have sufficient time to lynch both, unless anyone else has abetter candidate for today and case they can make.

Thus if no one has better candidates, the win is by Lynching Both, but choosing one to go first.
I not only want to win but win by the biggest safety margin.

Does anyone know which we should lynch first? (it is not like you are fosing them just giving anything other than an exactly equal read. To move things along.

I have chosen Rad.
##Vote RAD

If nothing else earlier I was accused of Lurking... whats being AFK when there is an argument on the table?


Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 08 2012 04:27 GMT
#989
EBWOP
##Vote RAD
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 08 2012 04:29 GMT
#990
before we begin Rad how long do you have to talk?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
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