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On December 07 2012 15:02 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 14:50 AxleGreaser wrote:
Someone earlier invited me to play my hardest.
My hardest is quite slow play. This one wont be my hardest but it is probably more intelligible to most.
There a rule it is Play to Win (implicitly for you team)
When you implement that different people will balance different kinds of wins differently.
I seek comments from the audience of which win condition evaluation function are in this fora acceptable.
That is in fact the root of the problem.
I will just do some town versions
which of these are acceptable individual definitions of
The a rule it is Play to Win? (implicitly for your team)
You can play such that the team you are in this time will win (Town expedient now)
You can play such that the team you are in this time will win this and future games (Town LAL)
You can play such that the team you are in this time will win this time and you be alive. (Town greedy)
You can play such that the team you are in this time will win and you be alive and leading. (Town show pony)
You can play such Sum wins are worth more to you than town once because I think they are often epic. and have lots of nyah nyah value. This will lead to play your town role suboptimally for the game you are playing to setup an epic win for the other team later.
^^^^^^^^^^ Is that play to win
There are even more categories but that ought give me a feel for the place.
You can play such that you get the most wins for the least effort expended (Town/scum cheap shots)
There is probably a boundary on the cheap shot version in that you cant piss people off with abuse.
Although this would also endorse the all blues are likely to be lazy up until they flip, forcing us to lynch working blues who cant keep their powder dry or get lynched AFK, or through some paranoia vetting system to keep liars out.
You can do anything except verbally badger people in game.
To help me do that I do need to be able to ask questions, which you then either answer or dont.
I draw your attention again to these
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One of the questions is in green
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The only possible way forward for me to live and get the outcome i deserve and the game i deserve is to find out at some point there are no mafia left.
This game use Majority Lynch. So with that in mind, I fell best served by doing this as I am sure I am Town
I do however appear to have made number of mistakes this game, raising suspicions on myself
These are neither through lack of skill nor effort but experience in the game itself.
I think if I engage with players I will get played as that is fast and furious.
All my best reads and best contributions to the game were made when I was really very quiet
asking questions only in the silence when other were not hunting down scum.
When I was questioning Oats, for instance I had reasons for my questions.
Yamato77 I mistakenly before described as having a scummy feel for interfering that is wrong
it is for me a perfectly null tell. It is that because if Yam is town but does not know why I am doing
that he may want to help by trying to direct me where would be useful. That is now I understand not useful
most of the people in here are town. Most have an idea they are pursuing. If they are talking I will mmm
More importantly while I apparently asked the right questions of Oats they were a pressure play to see what happened
So far i am convinced that I can have my vote swayed.
I can however ask interesting questions. but it is my intention to only ask those when
i know I am not interfering with others
I do understand it was necessary to apply sufficient pressure to force me to the answer, as I was indeed playing very suspiciously, and my posts errg.
Thus
##Vote NoLynch
As Town I place my fate in their hands.
That does mean I am not doing things to help town. To help town all I have to is be quiet when i believe pressure is being applied. And ask questions if I find questions that I believe need asking at that time.
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It is that because if Yam is town but does not know why I am doing
that he may want to help by trying to direct me where would be useful.
That does make that good town play, and is not what I will be doing, but I cant be sure it is scum play either.
There are many reasons either might do that and explaining them to scum only helps scum.
Tiem for me to :|
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Silly. I must listen to me.
Why is this the optimal play. Mind your own beeswax.
##Vote AxleGreaser
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it is such toss up and so hard to decide
Voting for myself places me more in other peoples hands which sound like a good idea except
that lets then manipulate you too.
the only thing I know for certain I said at the outset
I must remember trust what I say first. I know 100% who I am.
##Vote NoLynch
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isnt it amazing what STFU teaches one
##Vote NoLynch
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In the previous game that i could read posters, many followed a line of reasoning and thought, and displayed one skill level in this game perhaps because I am inside it I find players moving around a lot, first representing themselves as people that know very little and just get angry and then more sophisticated use of the language. That is very different to the RW where I developed what skill I have, at discerning intention.
Thus capability to do better, also as I noticed that Oats was a new player playing in your main matches and the newbie game it stood to reason he would have some skill at discerning information. If a scum player had been targeted and not set up the fake claim, that is just what it would have looked like.
My intention when playing this game was to see if when playing on the inside of game and posting if I could still do the same as in the last game and read people. I didn't know.
As I understand it, when player who is likely to get lynched gets wagon built on them that provides information to the other players. So yeah I am willing to be the townie that gets lynched. I settled on the no Lynch vote as it requires more votes to seal the deal.
Also if it is not a good play, Id expect another player to try something. If that didn't go as game play so fast it confused me then, I may or may not be able to help that.
So far Kicks and your vote is on me,
yours has some real content, that seeks to win the game. Hence I am addressing it.
Kicks reason was 'whatever'.
While the first part of your post addresses this game.
"Who was worse, blue oats trying to save himself last game, or you literally contributing nothing to this game but confusion. "
What game is this addressing please?
I signed up for a newbie game because i have never played before.
When not doing work for town when you are capable is one thing, I am failing not not trying.
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> If a scum player had been targeted and not set up the fake claim, that is just what it would have looked like.
In that they would have claimed role, said oh sorry I didnt get any reads, to get the role claim.
To make that harder to get away with Town player try with the abilities they have.
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What win scenario would that fit for you?
That 'newb' game was too hard for me.
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''You vote yourself, unvote, vote, unvote, talk to yourself, wtf?"
It now has 3 responses.
one portraying himself as Angry. Then through a conversation worked up to Voting.
Yours applies emotional pressure from things outside the game to get me to do something, different.
Other people that have other reads on you will ad that to their existing information
Which ever of the town people that are doing that, have the advantage of watching the interaction from the outside.
By waiting for an emotion vote to go first, it may be assessed that you have evaluated you need to be careful
People who know you better than me will judge whether you though that was plausible reason.
What intention do you have in asking me to explain mine?
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There is also the question people can ask themselves, of whether Sylencia was helping Kicks do a pro town thing of escalating up to a vote.
Sp that vote might get a seconder.
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EBWOP So that vote might get a seconder.
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Rad are you here. { notes to self must learn to ask first.}
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On December 08 2012 02:39 AxleGreaser wrote:
Rad are you here. { notes to self must learn to ask first.}
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+ Show Spoiler +
I have a feeling that throughout the rest of your mafia career (if you could call it that), you'll never push reads, you'll never get into arguments, never be "caught in a scum slip," and probably never be thoroughly understood (except here and there, occasionally).
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As this is pregame it should not be relevant.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 04 2012 08:38 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 08:34 AxleGreaser wrote:
always fun, I thought that was the whole point/intention. Maybe someone hates himself and this game and wants to punish himself by playing it.
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