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Sylencia
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When we see it, we can then answer it. | ||
yamato77
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Rad
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He can choose to vote for me here and pretty much guarantee my lynch due to split vote no lynch, Sylencia NK, and my lynch the next day. Only chance for town win at that point is if yamato is not scum and we vote axle. Doesn't make sense for axle to vote me for this lynch and switch to yamato next lynch. Anyway... ##Vote: yamato77 | ||
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AxleGreaser
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I am not entirely clear of the status of that vote of mine but, as everyone has cast a vote, it is also possibly the last Vote to be cast, on Yam, or the one that says no not Yam. I will give at least some reasons for it. If more are needed I am sure I can give some but if I paint the whole picture, how do you know what you are seeing is real. Confirmation bias is a thing, which is why voting last I give my reasons first. The cause for the delay is as this is my first game, and I have learned rather a lot, I have had to go back and really read all of this game and the last part of the last game to see what really happened as opposed to the small glimmering I had at any other time when I read them. Consciously I missed rather a lot of the details, the first time through, although I think a number of my decisions were guided, by stuff I didn't even know I had seen. | ||
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yamato77
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AxleGreaser
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Yam I having difficulty reconciling your earlier post + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2012 10:36 yamato77 wrote: the only possibilities for the last scum are rad or axle IMO Getting a lynch on rad is impossible even if syl believed me unless somehow axle followed our vote by blind luck Lynching Axle is a possibility but also the best play for Rad if he is scum because it is Mylo. Lynching him is a coin flip completely and town again wins or loses on basically blind luck. No Lynch looks like an option but only helps if Axle is actually the last scum and he kills me or rad, which a good scum player would never do because you want to kill the least controversial player, not one of the most. So basically either rad is scum and wins the game right now or he is town and we lynch Axle. # --- #Vote Axlegreaser # --- #Vote Axlegreaser with this. On December 14 2012 16:18 yamato77 wrote: axle if you vote for rad I will vote for him but otherwise you should just vote for me and end this game. If you were voting for me because you thought I was one of the two most likely people to be scum why are you now, talking to me about not voting for you when i have not even done that yet? Do you know something I don't? Wouldn't it be more profitable to talk to Rad or Syl? or present reasons why you think other people should vote for you top scum read instead? | ||
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yamato77
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Now unfortunately I don't think you will follow my vote even if I make a good case on Rad so he can't be lynched unless this proves otherwise because we need 3 to lynch with 4 alive. But if you vote him and I vote him I might be able to convince Syl tomorrow and then win the game, most likely. But otherwise I think my vote is best placed on you for reasons I have explained over and over in this thread. | ||
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AxleGreaser
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AxleGreaser
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it is still quite while to days end, but that is fairly hefty nail unless I misunderstood something. | ||
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Sylencia
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Now you say that you could potentially swing me over to vote for Rad, sure I might have had you actually stayed anywhere near consistent. You say you can convince me tomorrow, and yet you said you didn't vote for Rad because you knew I wouldn't switch. Now your final chance at winning this game lies solely with Axle, who you simply have to convince that Rad is the scum to win. | ||
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AxleGreaser
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was going on for sure. As it happened relatively recently you should know why too. On December 14 2012 19:02 AxleGreaser wrote: If you think rad is most likely to be scum why did you vote for me? | ||
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AxleGreaser
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+ Show Spoiler + There was point back there where I showed clear intent. What for should not matter, clearly (while I was doing it) I was after something. if you were interested in finding out if I was scum, I would suggest watching and then when it is over asking questions. If I am scum letting me go on will just dig the hole if there is one deeper, if it is misunderstanding there will eventually be so much consistent intent that when explained it will be clear. The observed sequence + Show Spoiler + That starts here Where Yamato observes enough of “something” to unvote me. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17128889 This has clear directed question about what oats intentions are when helping a player. Clearly I think scum hunting related. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17128988 Yamato chucks this in. {once} + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129071 if he is scum hunting on topic that interests him why just do that? If that interesting perhaps he ought look at it. He says he Gonna hafta.. I dont remember the result. Oats accepts that life line and changes topics. I have intent and go on , and on. Again Yamato chucks this in. {twice} + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129619 Yam : "But kick's difference I think could be meaningful. I'm not entirely sure." If he did what he said he might find out. To me the clear intent was to get me to go chase this bone instead. Again Yamato chucks this in. {three times} + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129692 It is big wall of text post it is not like he just wrote it. Clearly it ought have some intention as effort went into it why now? Is it because the first two attempts at distracting from the scum buddy failed? Notice that it ends A lot of your posting this game has been about "this looks suspicious" or something of that nature. Everything can "look suspicious" from a town POV, but you feel the need to say it a lot. Why? Eventually here I look like I just wander aimlessly off. (remember at that times oats was not confirmed scum) + Show Spoiler + I think i will find if I squeeze hard enough people may well give off scum tell, if I find out what i want and they don't know what that is, and they are scum I expect to notice their behavior change. In the face of a new or perceived threat. | ||
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AxleGreaser
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On December 04 2012 22:01 yamato77 wrote: Kick is playing different from last game. Gonna have to read his filter from Mario Mini. While that is an interesting observation if it is true. What did Yam intend to happen next and why? I believe he hoped i would go do that rather than continue to question Oats. | ||
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AxleGreaser
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129692 + Show Spoiler + My strategy this game is far more aggressive than it was the previous game at the beginning. If I am town, my main objective day 1, especially early, is to provoke discussion and responses. The more information I can garner from people, the stronger my reads on them can become. I know I do keep going down the road, but "If I am town," is an interesting thing for someone who is town to say. "Up to that point, only Axle had seemed to willingly ignore me so I went after him. People that don't want to give up information are either scum or blue, because they both have something to hide." Why think about hunting blue? "What my focus now has become is why you have started to throw suspicion around on players who are looking into people's play early." Does Yamato thinks there is special reason why people should not examine peoples early play? | ||
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AxleGreaser
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Id also like to know why Syl said this... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17222524 "You know I won't vote Rad, " | ||
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