EPTyes i was asked many questions some of them repeats. Some of them no longer important if someone is finding
it hard to say how they feel on the lurker lynch question.
Thats why I sat there hanging in the silence waiting to post.
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yes i was asked many questions some of them repeats. Some of them no longer important if someone is finding it hard to say how they feel on the lurker lynch question. Thats why I sat there hanging in the silence waiting to post. | ||
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On December 04 2012 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote: I am terribly sorry for my play last game. You may be sorry, survivor guilt, is a problem. You do however seem to setting up an I am just bad claim? | ||
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On December 04 2012 11:09 jidolboy wrote: I'm not too sure but talking about random things is a good way to tart guess. I mean there is nothing else to talk about because nothing major had happened yet The social parts of the discussion break the ice and get things going. The on topic parts, such as what is our plan and objective let you see if people are deflecting away from anything. | ||
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Scum often tend to distance themselves from one another by one arriving early and the other late. By sitting outside a discussion watching and jumping in and deflecting the heat if their partner is under pressure, They do that by raising some issue that is clearly less important. Than letting someone else apply pressure. | ||
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On December 04 2012 11:22 yamato77 wrote: Not to badger you, but do you have thoughts on lurker lynching? Or any ideas about day 1 town plans? The bit you quoted does not seem entirely related to the question asked which I find strange. Every one starts off equally scummy. As inconsistencies and evidence mounts for a likely lynch candidate it get more and more scummy. Lurking longer and longer does too. Often if town plays town well enough pressure mounts and enough evidence mounts to lynch someone who has posted lot of inconsistent information. Something i dont know is, if the better players can just push a weaker player into going all mixed up. This is where town comes in, I must trust the players who are better than me to watch one another, They will catch when the other ones are just cracking the weakest link, no matter what alignment they are. Indeed there are so many questions, int hat regard that I don't actually see the best way forward for me. There appear to be some rather a large gaps in skill level. | ||
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On December 04 2012 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont understand what you are saying axle  I dont know how you can change it but maybe reread the post before you post and see if it makes sense. Ta. | ||
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You made good reads from last NMM game, any reason you're announcing yourself as a lesser skilled player?[/QUOTE] I cant think of good reason no. | ||
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On December 04 2012 11:22 yamato77 wrote: Not to badger you, but do you have thoughts on lurker lynching? Or any ideas about day 1 town plans? your question has two parts. What were you trying to find out when you asked this question. What did you want to achieve. Or any ideas about day 1 town plans? | ||
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>Axle, I think what I said to you in last NMM QT is starting to make sense now. I am not sure which bit cos I said a few things But I don't remember what most of them were anymore, If I had been aware, that this game would not have variable numbers of roles This one always has two of something, making the analysis a LYLO more defined if I had been aware of that I would have had no need to say anything about oats style as it would have had solution when claim meant clear certainty to everyone. I had assumed the next game would be the same setup... and yeah i might have made someone cry if I got back there to D2. I didn't want that kind of storm in a newb game. So I did it somewhere the adults could smack us. I had read he was significantly better than he showed right from the start. I had read that so Ok on D2 he will be able to say what he saw D1 When he didnt, have anything I was like WTF man. don't want to look back, at that game Ok. Its not helping / stop playing scum on me / <rage = off> In the last NMM QT, I was not in it until after the aqua lynch. Before that I was watching, and working stuff out. But as it happened over days not Hours. Bit of a difference. I think my biggest lesson learned is trying to go fast with the conversation is bad plan. My contribution to a good team which is what there was here is not to ask the questions but listen to the answers. > Shit's a lot more real in game. I was real close to in game last time. Actually shit is pretty real not if you sit in obs but watch it real time. > However, you DID make good reads last game (without even reading the QT until later, right?) > so keep that in mind and just focus on that. Thanks for that I didn't do real bad in what I >>>read<<< here, just crap at what I wrote. I probably also had shit storm guilt as I felt what was going down here was on my head. I hope you enjoyed getting incinerated. > This will help town because: > 1. If you're town, your reads are good or Even at speed they were still pretty good, it is the writing that isn't. > 2. If you're scum, town gets to read your original thoughts rather than you just playing the newbie card and sheeping. original thoughts <<< Those I am rarely short of. So someone well tell me what i ought do next yeah? | ||
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>Axle, I think what I said to you in last NMM QT is starting to make sense now. I am not sure which bit cos I said a few things But I don't remember what most of them were anymore, If I had been aware, that this game would not have variable numbers of roles This one always has two of something, making the analysis a LYLO more defined if I had been aware of that I would have had no need to say anything about oats style as it would have had solution when claim meant clear certainty to everyone. I had assumed the next game would be the same setup... and yeah i might have made someone cry if I got back there to D2. I didn't want that kind of storm in a newb game. So I did it somewhere the adults could smack us. I had read he was significantly better than he showed right from the start. I had read that so Ok on D2 he will be able to say what he saw D1 When he didnt, have anything I was like WTF man. don't want to look back, at that game Ok. Its not helping / stop playing scum on me / <rage = off> In the last NMM QT, I was not in it until after the aqua lynch. Before that I was watching, and working stuff out. But as it happened over days not Hours. Bit of a difference. I think my biggest lesson learned is trying to go fast with the conversation is bad plan. My contribution to a good team which is what there was here is not to ask the questions but listen to the answers. > Shit's a lot more real in game. I was real close to in game last time. Actually shit is pretty real not if you sit in obs but watch it real time. > However, you DID make good reads last game (without even reading the QT until later, right?) > so keep that in mind and just focus on that. Thanks for that I didn't do real bad in what I >>>read<<< here, just crap at what I wrote. I probably also had shit storm guilt as I felt what was going down here was on my head. I hope you enjoyed getting incinerated. > This will help town because: > 1. If you're town, your reads are good or Even at speed they were still pretty good, it is the writing that isn't. > 2. If you're scum, town gets to read your original thoughts rather than you just playing the newbie card and sheeping. original thoughts <<< Those I am rarely short of. So someone well tell me what i ought do next yeah? | ||
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tired. What I am going to need to do is play in a sand box somewhere with this editor | ||
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On December 04 2012 13:37 Oatsmaster wrote: What do you think about yamato voting you? I was already convinced that, if everyone else turned up really late in the day and said sorry will be here tomorrow, He still would have been lynched. I saw no argument or question that I even had to reply to. | ||
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On December 04 2012 13:58 Oatsmaster wrote: WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Please explain. So you are gonna ignore yamato's vote? Do you have a town/scum read on yamato? If this is not answering your question, would you please distinguish between you wanting to know about me and you wanting them to know what I saw. or both? I have clearly transgressed a serious line. I dont know where it is. I am town. Yes I will ignore the vote. What I would not have ignored is valid argument with substance. It did not need vote just an argument. For instance, towards the goal of town winning, there was no important need to say I was less skilled than other people they can see that. If they cant see that [b]for themselves[\b], I am dead anyway, me saying it and them not believing it just makes me more so, So I am unconcerned as there is not positive step i can make, go team. I had very strong scum read on Yammoto it started when he didnt answer for a long long time at 10:13 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17124632 at 10:29 I decide to add more pressure, As I expect another newb game to be more like the last one and I was aware there would be tension, that needed relieving, I had spent time making a pleasant I thought post. I probably should have deleted that content and posted the The question at the bottom In fact i definitely should have as it added opportunities to distract. At this minute I am a bit second guessing myself, as i don't know what I look like from the outside when pressed in this thread. I suspect I still look, just startled town. When I settle down completely will be able to see that dispationately and say. ============== The reason that is an issue is I don't belong in newb and I don't belong in any other game so I am Perhaps I ought consider a slower forum with N day cylces. In terms of where i fit. I am fairly sure I am square peg. My estimation is I don't belong in another newb game. Id have to practice a fair bit making reads on other games and typing them out sensibly before I could make good contributions to other games. Even then if that what games go like then, Id have to work out what my role would be. So I am pretty | ||
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On December 04 2012 14:52 Oatsmaster wrote: What. Axle stop having a pity party and just play to the best of your ability. Read the thread, form opinions, ask + Show Spoiler + questions, Explain your scumread on yamato more. I think what happened previously was an error on my part. To gain value from it anyway. As a person with no meta(game history) however it shows why from now on I will post deliberately and carefully. Noise and confusion like that will only ever get me * lynched if I am scum. * mislynched if am town. I have considered your suggestions and and of them I have chosen to do these things. 'No more Pity' 'play to the best of your ability.' ------- Now doing just that. OatsMaster A question for you? Is it a scum tell when one player tries to tell another player how to play? When do scum do that and why? When do town do that and why? Remembering that Lynch all Liars is a thing that some people believe in. What is your truthful answer to those two? | ||
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On December 04 2012 11:15 yamato77 wrote: Intention. Scum play will always have the intent of not looking suspicious, or of blending in. New town play might look like obvious scum play but it could definitely be a case of too obvious to be scum. ------ observation: The English above is very explicit in what it is saying. The use of 'Intention.' as a one word sentence indicates the primary significance of it as an absolute imperative. The analysis considers how one behavior, can be both a scum or a town play. This is incongruous with my previous observations of meta in newbie games. As that is so limited meh... I throw that away as more likely to mislead than help. Hypothesis: This is not like the newbie games I have read. Even more tellingly it asks for opinion about a topic at a level. 'bad(newbie) town' This betrays a knowledge in the questioner, and an expectation of knowledge in the person asked, that there are other levels of play that they know both about and thus shared knowledge. I could wrongly conclude shared knowledge is a scum tell, but I don't. Most players here except me know one another. ----- Minimum conclusion: This is fair fight. I can safely without fear play to the best of my ability and do no harm. "First do no harm:" is powerful and honorable creed. <but isnt it aganst the rules> It is against the rules not to play to win.. A question that arises for me is win what? You can win the match of mafia, go team, but if it broke or hurt the game, then you would truely have lost. Near as I can tell the rules at the top each mafia game, are written by people who know the value of every word and degree of emphasis. Thus I hope they agree with my interpretation of the rules. This is fair fight. I can play to the best of my ability. As the value of what I know depends on the skill with which I observe I will state usually from memory what I saw before. The knowledge i have: In my obs of previous newbie games, I observed that thinking did not normally appear to me to go that deep. I observed that SDM was the most valuable town asset. As he was the most valuable town asset the obvious thing to do was for doc to protect him. Thus scum would, probably, in newbie game kill someone else. I thought that would be Aqua or Jacob. There was no double double crosses anywhere. The no lynch, made me suspicious of SDM. While he had played to me as strong town. If he was a very strong scum, he might have reached the same conclusion as I did hope the doc would protect him and then scum would not nk at all and wind up with one of their own as confirmed town. I had to throw that idea out, as I lack the actual experience to guess if in a newbie game that would be plausible. | ||
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