That is a much more comprehensive and admirable look at his play than what the others have so far offered (Hapa aside). There are reasons for believing that his claim doesn't make much sense for mafia perspective, but I just don't read any town motives for his initial claim and subsequent behavior. Now he has finally claimed his flavor, but it turns out there was no apparent reason for not claiming it as he is just some unimportant character. I would that say it sounds like a mafia role and that is why he could have been hesitant to claim. Does it make any sense for him to refuse to claim his flavor, but casually offer details about his abilities? He didn't even have to reveal the damage shield aspect, but yet he did.

There is a chance that I'm tunnelling on an erratic, irrational, anti-town player who happens to be town aligned, but I'll take my chances for now.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 27 2012 11:08 GMT

#4101

Also there is no way a town aligned player protected Prom last night unless actions were really conveniently misdirected.

However, I don't quite understand why he would claim receiving only 25 damage if he knew how much of the damage was going to be healed/blocked.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 27 2012 11:16 GMT

#4103

On November 27 2012 20:13 Acrofales wrote:

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You switching your brain off this game is not helping anybody.

I wasn't entirely serious, I haven't even read his filter. You just haven't been very cooperative so far. Obviously none of the people involved will be taken along on a quest and it doesn't look like we will be able to even lynch one of you anytime soon.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 27 2012 11:28 GMT

#4104

Having done that, he is pretty much "guilty" of all the things you have done, except he hasn't shown the same kind of interest in the game as you have done. He supported sandroba on day 1 and was reluctant to lynch him on day 2. He hopped on TheChronicler wagon, but did not care about Toad. A lot of useless setup speculation and questions with no clear purpose.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 27 2012 12:19 GMT

#4110

One has to wonder how whoever is responsible for Kita's guessing game knew that we would have a lynch day 2. Perhaps his role stipulates that the day 2 question is always about lynch, but what happens if eg. he is roleblocked day 2 and as such will have to ask the question later? Kita what was your fun little minigame on day 2?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 27 2012 13:30 GMT

#4116

I apologize if I've seemed hostile or arrogant. I do not have confidence in myself, but rather I honestly think the facts speak for themselves.

I did not expect having to argue against almost certain townies who also know that I'm town. I believe that some people are being obnoxiously dismissive of what I consider a reasonable argument. I'm struggling to understand why not only do people strongly disagree, but instead of letting the person in question defend himself they feel the need to make arguments for him. I may have somewhat overstated the case, but you should be asking Prom more questions instead of arguing with me.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 27 2012 16:18 GMT

#4176

I don't see why mafia would shoot you for massive damage on those two days, when their main priority should be eliminating semi-confirmed townies.

I can't believe you two were healing him anyway, but I perhaps he didn't believe it either. Hapa definitely shouldn't be on a team until this is sorted out.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 27 2012 16:41 GMT

#4189

If you are a third party and there is someone out to get you, I can assure you what you said is already sufficient. It's not like they have someone else to target, so these excuses about wanting to hide your identity seem a bit thin based on what you said.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 27 2012 19:12 GMT

#4245

Strongandbig reads not-mafia to me, unless he is playing for really long term. He didn't push to get sandro or toad elected (voted kita, but assuming kita isn't mafia for now), didn't oppose sandro lynch and seems rather carefree despite being inactive. He hasn't asked to be included in the party. From what I could tell, his day 1 reasoning looked genuine.

The thing is, unless mafia is just rolling over someone like Hapa has to be mafia. It doesn't matter if these lurking mafia get away with it if they never get a chance to be in a party. I suppose things may get trickier in a few cycles, but still it's such weak play.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 27 2012 19:59 GMT

#4263

Looking back, the seeming "difficulty" in finding townies on day 1 might just have been due to there being many really towny players who were, in fact, town. I had too many town reads and was starting to second guess myself based on everyone being town.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 27 2012 20:04 GMT

#4268

On November 28 2012 05:03 Acrofales wrote:

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It's comforting to be in a game where the majority of people are actually able to play the game decently, isn't it? You missing people like Grush?

I wouldn't go that far. Going to leave this ambigious

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 28 2012 06:08 GMT

#4427

Cavejohnson still waiting for you to tell me why you asked if I received a seed

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 28 2012 08:39 GMT

#4430

Drazerk you are completely worthless as always

I've decided for now that Prom's claim is plausible, even if the timing, execution and subsequent behavior are suspicious. The initial claim was compeltely ridiculous and anyone who believed such a role is likely to be in the game is naive. What he claimed at first was a role that could not only make a person completely invulnerable, but it also functioned as a semi-watcher role; a player of any alignment that gets roleblocked wouldn't know the source and would be forced to claim. Now that we know roleblock does not prevent factional KP (and I consider it likely that there is non-role based mafia factional KP) and that he can't always use it every cycle, it is more believable. Moreover, the claim is a bit too complicated and too easily veribiable to be a sane mafia claim (his sanity is still in question, however).

The fact he initially refused to claim his other ability or flavor and decided to attack and suspect a near confirmed town still doesn't make sense. I was also suspicious of sandroba immediately confirming that he visited me, instead of showing skepticism towards Prom's claim.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 28 2012 09:03 GMT

#4432

I've no idea, but you asked a question and I presumed there may have been some meaning behind that. Next time I will just assume that your questions are meaningless.

Instead of telling me to google or play the game, why not just answer the question?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 28 2012 09:28 GMT

#4434

Thanks, that is actually helpful. Do you have any idea what Acro's role is, based on your role?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 28 2012 16:23 GMT

#4478

At some point someone should claim the roleblocks on Risk and Toad. It is extremely unlikely that Risk was, at least intentionally, targeted by a mafia roleblock.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 28 2012 18:44 GMT

#4507

Clarity did you resolve as to why Hapa wasn't informed of you healing him?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 28 2012 20:51 GMT

#4529

I'm in a rather useless mason circle (completely unconfirmed obviously) with Risk and Goodkarma. I was invited there last night. Nothing in the mason QT really gives me a better feeling about Risk.

I'll hopefully be back in 9 hours or so